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huh my sound got effd up and im gettin a new one tomorow
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Let me explain a bit more what I'm getting at. Lets preform a thought experiment, brave new world style. If there was a pill that gave ecstasy with no side effects would you take it? Probably, right? But what If the effects was going into a stupor where you just lay around and drool? Probably not, right? This leads one to believe that there are more important things then happiness. But, people such as the Dali Lama state that happiness is the goal of life. Well, perhaps we could ultimate find out what brain states cause happiness and artificially produce them. There, the ultimate goal seems to have been realized. But at what cost is the important question. Too much cost seems to favor other things, too little seems to make happiness rather unimportant.

First, I think it might be a mistake to say that there is some clear single purpose to life. That is, a higher purpose. Perhaps all there is is what we make for ourselves. Second, I suspect that other things are more important then happiness. Consider self esteem. higher is better right? I would say, clearly not at times. Same for sex. Too much hurts. Perhaps this is why happiness is often considered the highest good. Can't really get tired of it right? The more the better. But, is this really true?
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Some short replys.

Freedan - Good points. I remember reading that studies have shown that once one has the necessities, money becomes much less important. Contrary to public opinion perhaps Billionaires are only slightly more happy then the average folk. Its also an important idea that one must give and help others in order to be happy/fulfilled/whatever.

reikiaddict - Happiness is more then the absence of sadness I think most will agree with me. Its possible to be in a neutral state/have a neutral emotion. For instance taking a shower or something, not like it makes me sad or happy. Is there a difference between being content and actually being happy, if so what is it?

ArtOfMind - I would describe getting a nice gift as pleasant(agreeable, enjoyable), not sure if I'd really say I'm happy because of the gift. Again, I emphasis the idea of happiness as a state of being rather then an emotion. Perhaps something like that is what your getting at when you typed about true happiness, but it was rather vague.

commanderkev - I don't think just not worrying about things will make one happy by default, but it can relieve stress and stuff like that sure.

enjoy things vs. fulfilled by things...hum. would want to look into this some more.

Ichigo_101 - I don't think its that happiness must brings sadness, but that happiness seems to fade away. This is perhaps why people talk about true happiness, which is more of a state of being then a single feeling I suppose.

Heck, pain is a lot more clear to me then happiness. We can all prick our fingers and have more or less the same sensation. This is a feeling. Its pretty easy to consider physically and scientifically. If you just want to consider happiness this way, by all means do so, but my questions were about the importance of happiness, how to achieve it, etc.
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Well I think everything we do is aimed at happiness. It's impossible to get sick of happiness, because then you wouldn't be happy. There's our wish to make others happy, but that ultimately is only for self happiness. Lalala.
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Eros wrote:

Let me explain a bit more what I'm getting at. Lets preform a thought experiment, brave new world style. If there was a pill that gave ecstasy with no side effects would you take it? Probably, right?


Actually, I wouldn't. Complete ecstasy makes you unaware of all the problems in the world, thus making you far away from reality. I value reality more than happiness.



Eros wrote:
...people such as the Dali Lama state that happiness is the goal of life. Well, perhaps we could ultimate find out what brain states cause happiness and artificially produce them. There, the ultimate goal seems to have been realized. But at what cost is the important question. Too much cost seems to favor other things, too little seems to make happiness rather unimportant.

It's similar to the Christian concept of heaven, isn't it? They are trying to say that we should live up to good morals and make something out of our lives. When we do that, we find true and eternal happiness in Heaven. Perhaps the part of our brain that causes happiness is the part that acts out when we die, thus proving certain truth to aforementioned religious/spiritual leaders. Our brain usually dies after the rest of the body dies, so perhaps when we think that we lead good lives when we die, our subconscious knows that we are dead and our brain thinks that we did good, acting up the part of our brain that causes happiness and letting us feel "heaven" for a brief moment until the brain completely dies. Maybe this is what true happiness is, and should not be toyed with in our living days, so to speak.


Eros wrote:
First, I think it might be a mistake to say that there is some clear single purpose to life. That is, a higher purpose. Perhaps all there is is what we make for ourselves. Second, I suspect that other things are more important then happiness. Consider self esteem. higher is better right? I would say, clearly not at times. Same for sex. Too much hurts. Perhaps this is why happiness is often considered the highest good. Can't really get tired of it right? The more the better. But, is this really true?

Like someone once said, too much of anything makes it toxic. But maybe there isn't something like "too much happiness"? Maybe "true happiness" is just happiness and is not measurable. Maybe the "happiness" that we experience in our everyday lives isn't "true happiness."
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I think happiness is;; being with the people you appreciate and love, a warm feeling you get when you help others or make them smile, giving something up as an exchange for someone else, catching them before they fall, making something meaningful for somebody special, caring for them, and most importantly...forgiving someone by allowing them to start over with you. And that's what I think happiness is.
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Happines is ... when you have the people you love around you, some good friends Pff, nah forget it I agree with her ^
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Happiness are those simple things that brings smile to your face and that contentment that fills your heart.
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Posted 1/3/07
Happiness is riding around Rome in 1953 with Audrey Hepburn on a Vespa scooter. (guess which movie I just finished watching lol)

I hate being born so late... It's been all downhill since the 60s I say! Damn hippies... ruin everything.
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Posted 1/3/07
this thread is lame
everyone has their own form of happiness thats it
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27 / F / Miami
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Posted 1/3/07
This is a very interesting topic.I once heard someone say,happines only lasts for a short time,human beings are always looking for things to make their life happy or worthwhile! But is because the lack of something, that we can never be truly happy!

I don't know about you guys but there are times when everything in life seems so perfect ,and yet you feel like something's missing...maybe that's the mystery of life.
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29 / M / Denmark
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Posted 1/3/07
i need a girl friend to fully explain the question
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25 / M / Oregon
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I also concur with bulletproof... but its not exactly because its a general feeling/idea (for all I know it COULD be) but its mainly because its how I feel. Thats what I personally think is happiness: That one special joy you recieve by making everyone's lives around you a little better by saying a joke, or helping them out if they are having a bad day. However, happiness is relative, so it depends on what the individual values as "hapiness". So basically, people may disagree with my view of true happiness, and they may say its becoming the richest person in the world, because its what THEY portray as true happiness... but some visions MAY be general, such as having a family, but you can't base this discussion on a "general" view if you arent sure.
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Posted 1/3/07
Happiness is a loved one by your side, a fresh cup of ramen, and a brand new, just released anime DVD playing on your t.v.
its all about the simple things in life.
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29 / M / Denmark
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Posted 1/3/07
tihi FMA ok ok..to nerdy
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