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get the heck outta here those dudes got fiber prolly, and ACLs of course, wunder if they use cisco equipment?
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Wow, I just dunno what to say...I mean, sites like CR are like promotion for the videos. I wouldn't try half the Anime I know now if I never seen them. I wouldn't even know half the Anime existed. I'm grateful for Shinji and people who start sites like these.
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edsamac wrote:

It can't be helped, really. I agree that many of the questions were loaded, but understanding where they're coming from, it makes sense whey they're a little aggressive.


So to all the CR fans, here... please don't go over to ANN and start a ruckus... please. Thanks.


when me and my freinds saw this we got pissed>.> but dun worry we wont start a ruckus *honest*


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Wow, I just dunno what to say...I mean, sites like CR are like promotion for the videos. I wouldn't try half the Anime I know now if I never seen them. I wouldn't even know half the Anime existed. I'm grateful for Shinji and people who start sites like these.


same i nvr knew shinji and the CR crew worked so hard Go CR CREW!!!!


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Quote from one of the ANN member.


All that guys at crunchyroll ever wanted was to be a "cool" place to hang out for idiotic anime "fans" who are too lazy or stupid to figure out how to run a torrent to download a CCCP pack, and too lazy or broke to get a job and actually buy DVD's. Don't try to make it like they are doing the community some sort of favor by providing some trail blazing service. It's a place for lazy little punks to get their quick anime fix without having to actually think or work for it, and is competely disrespectful to every other segment of the anime community.

Just checking out their forums or comments on the videos for 5 minutes will tell you what kind of people frequent that site. I don't know what GONZO is thinking by putting up their content there, I guarentee you that almost none of the people that frequent that site will EVER pay ANYTHING for anime if they can possibly avoid it



Awww......that hurts


Damn, they should go check all those other sites that DO NOT actually remove even their licensed stuff and check their own mouths before saying anything about CR disrespecting every other segment of the anime community.

Sure, a lot of people here admitted they'd rather look elsewhere, but to make it sound like CR users are the only ones who do that is a bit biased. Heck, if no ANN member ever does that, than you can fricking crown me God Emperor of all Mankind.

And what the hell is with that how we're too lazy or stupid to figure out torrents? They insult us and we're supposed to take it?


lol if we jsted wanted too watch VIDEOS we WOULD jst go piosga or mega video NOOBS

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lol, that interview was pretty hardcore
ANN is really agressive...
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You know, I really want to have a public research on how sites like veoh and CR are actually affecting the digital medium industry, or for that matter, video industry of what ever genre. There are those who can't afford to buy every single anime out there right? So if these people never got to see some of the animes on CR per say, would that really kill of possible customers, and have them suffer, or is it a matter of those who would usually pay for the entire box set of an entire series lost because of sites like veoh? Or do sites like veoh and CR actually attract more possible customers and raise their profits because it is getting more exposure?

Some of us would never even possibly even come into contact with some of the animes we've watched here on CR and veoh... But what does it really do to the anime industry?? I really want to know...


I'm not trying to sound mean, but the numbers are kind of obvious. Think about it. In this site, there have been a few topics regarding DVDs. Most people that respond to such topics say "I don't have money" or even try to justify not buying DVDs because they have dubs on them. Remember, this is a majority of people who respond to such topics. If you really want to know how much this affects the industry, go to Baka-updates and download Naruto or Bleach torrent and look at the seeders and leechers numbers. Then, go to youtube and look at the view count for the latest Naruto or Bleach episode. Finally, look for how many websites actually allow you to direct download these episodes and charge you for membership.(Not referring to CR because CR offers the same material except in low quality) Nowadays, anime costs more than around $250,000 an episode. Despite the high costs of production, artists are still paid below American minimum wage. If you can't see where this is going, then oh well.
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Spacewolves wrote:

You know, I really want to have a public research on how sites like veoh and CR are actually affecting the digital medium industry, or for that matter, video industry of what ever genre. There are those who can't afford to buy every single anime out there right? So if these people never got to see some of the animes on CR per say, would that really kill of possible customers, and have them suffer, or is it a matter of those who would usually pay for the entire box set of an entire series lost because of sites like veoh? Or do sites like veoh and CR actually attract more possible customers and raise their profits because it is getting more exposure?

Some of us would never even possibly even come into contact with some of the animes we've watched here on CR and veoh... But what does it really do to the anime industry?? I really want to know...


I'm not trying to sound mean, but the numbers are kind of obvious. Think about it. In this site, there have been a few topics regarding DVDs. Most people that respond to such topics say "I don't have money" or even try to justify not buying DVDs because they have dubs on them. Remember, this is a majority of people who respond to such topics. If you really want to know how much this affects the industry, go to Baka-updates and download Naruto or Bleach torrent and look at the seeders and leechers numbers. Then, go to youtube and look at the view count for the latest Naruto or Bleach episode. Finally, look for how many websites actually allow you to direct download these episodes and charge you for membership.(Not referring to CR because CR offers the same material except in low quality) Nowadays, anime costs more than around $250,000 an episode. Despite the high costs of production, artists are still paid below American minimum wage. If you can't see where this is going, then oh well.


I'll take the direct insult, but the fact remains, do those, say 1,000,000 (what is the exact number, I don't know), viewers actually account for the actual loss in the industry? Put in another way, would those people have actually turned into buyers even if torrenting and sites like veoh, and, before it was taken down, CR never existed? Do you catch my drift. No doubt that there are those who would have been potential buyers actually dropped the novel idea of paying for something you could have gotten free, but what about the other side of the argument?

Would such a digital medium actually attract more buyers, or potential buyers then the amount they loss? I just want to know the ratio, the actual statistical number. This isn't a matter of logic here, it's a matter of what the fuck are the facts and figures of what is actually going on.

Also another thing is... since the source of revenue for the authors, and creators we are talking about here is licensing... How much are they getting payed from licensing? And how much from the advertising sponsors? or the merchandise they sell ALONE?
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Spacewolves wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Spacewolves wrote:

You know, I really want to have a public research on how sites like veoh and CR are actually affecting the digital medium industry, or for that matter, video industry of what ever genre. There are those who can't afford to buy every single anime out there right? So if these people never got to see some of the animes on CR per say, would that really kill of possible customers, and have them suffer, or is it a matter of those who would usually pay for the entire box set of an entire series lost because of sites like veoh? Or do sites like veoh and CR actually attract more possible customers and raise their profits because it is getting more exposure?

Some of us would never even possibly even come into contact with some of the animes we've watched here on CR and veoh... But what does it really do to the anime industry?? I really want to know...


I'm not trying to sound mean, but the numbers are kind of obvious. Think about it. In this site, there have been a few topics regarding DVDs. Most people that respond to such topics say "I don't have money" or even try to justify not buying DVDs because they have dubs on them. Remember, this is a majority of people who respond to such topics. If you really want to know how much this affects the industry, go to Baka-updates and download Naruto or Bleach torrent and look at the seeders and leechers numbers. Then, go to youtube and look at the view count for the latest Naruto or Bleach episode. Finally, look for how many websites actually allow you to direct download these episodes and charge you for membership.(Not referring to CR because CR offers the same material except in low quality) Nowadays, anime costs more than around $250,000 an episode. Despite the high costs of production, artists are still paid below American minimum wage. If you can't see where this is going, then oh well.


I'll take the direct insult, but the fact remains, do those, say 1,000,000 (what is the exact number, I don't know), viewers actually account for the actual loss in the industry? Put in another way, would those people have actually turned into buyers even if torrenting and sites like veoh, and, before it was taken down, CR never existed? Do you catch my drift. No doubt that there are those who would have been potential buyers actually dropped the novel idea of paying for something you could have gotten free, but what about the other side of the argument?

Would such a digital medium actually attract more buyers, or potential buyers then the amount they loss? I just want to know the ratio, the actual statistical number. This isn't a matter of logic here, it's a matter of what the fuck are the facts and figures of what is actually going on.

Also another thing is... since the source of revenue for the authors, and creators we are talking about here is licensing... How much are they getting payed from licensing? And how much from the advertising sponsors? or the merchandise they sell ALONE?


I didn't mean for it to be an insult. To answer your last question, it really depends on the creators. Nowadays, the creators sell off the license to other people before America tries to buy it. Basically, they split the license into a bunch of other licenses and sell each license individually. American companies have to buy each license from the different holders.

To give some kind of statistic. I can tell you that the R1 anime DVD industry has been making less money as sites torrents and youtube are becoming more popular. There really aren't any other factors that could possibly cause a decrease in sales other than rampant piracy.

Sales of anime DVDs have decreased from $500 million in 2003 to $400 million in 2006. According to the law of supply and demand, since the demand decreased, the supply decreased as well. Anime releases have dropped from 600 releases in 2006 to 500 in 2007.

I couldn't find the exact numbers you were asking for, but I hope this helps in understanding why people believe there is a piracy problem. Anime sales have gone down while using digital mediums such as torrents, IRC, and online streaming sites has become more popular. The only other thing that could possibly factor into the sales decline is the revolt against "high costs for anime."

Again, sorry if the first post sounded like an insult. It's hard to communicate emotion through a forum. Misinterpretation happens all the time.
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wow. i read the whole thing and ANN totally just bombarded him with questions.
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the questions are really hard..
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arx7arbalest wrote:


Spacewolves wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Spacewolves wrote:

You know, I really want to have a public research on how sites like veoh and CR are actually affecting the digital medium industry, or for that matter, video industry of what ever genre. There are those who can't afford to buy every single anime out there right? So if these people never got to see some of the animes on CR per say, would that really kill of possible customers, and have them suffer, or is it a matter of those who would usually pay for the entire box set of an entire series lost because of sites like veoh? Or do sites like veoh and CR actually attract more possible customers and raise their profits because it is getting more exposure?

Some of us would never even possibly even come into contact with some of the animes we've watched here on CR and veoh... But what does it really do to the anime industry?? I really want to know...


I'm not trying to sound mean, but the numbers are kind of obvious. Think about it. In this site, there have been a few topics regarding DVDs. Most people that respond to such topics say "I don't have money" or even try to justify not buying DVDs because they have dubs on them. Remember, this is a majority of people who respond to such topics. If you really want to know how much this affects the industry, go to Baka-updates and download Naruto or Bleach torrent and look at the seeders and leechers numbers. Then, go to youtube and look at the view count for the latest Naruto or Bleach episode. Finally, look for how many websites actually allow you to direct download these episodes and charge you for membership.(Not referring to CR because CR offers the same material except in low quality) Nowadays, anime costs more than around $250,000 an episode. Despite the high costs of production, artists are still paid below American minimum wage. If you can't see where this is going, then oh well.


I'll take the direct insult, but the fact remains, do those, say 1,000,000 (what is the exact number, I don't know), viewers actually account for the actual loss in the industry? Put in another way, would those people have actually turned into buyers even if torrenting and sites like veoh, and, before it was taken down, CR never existed? Do you catch my drift. No doubt that there are those who would have been potential buyers actually dropped the novel idea of paying for something you could have gotten free, but what about the other side of the argument?

Would such a digital medium actually attract more buyers, or potential buyers then the amount they loss? I just want to know the ratio, the actual statistical number. This isn't a matter of logic here, it's a matter of what the fuck are the facts and figures of what is actually going on.

Also another thing is... since the source of revenue for the authors, and creators we are talking about here is licensing... How much are they getting payed from licensing? And how much from the advertising sponsors? or the merchandise they sell ALONE?


I didn't mean for it to be an insult. To answer your last question, it really depends on the creators. Nowadays, the creators sell off the license to other people before America tries to buy it. Basically, they split the license into a bunch of other licenses and sell each license individually. American companies have to buy each license from the different holders.

To give some kind of statistic. I can tell you that the R1 anime DVD industry has been making less money as sites torrents and youtube are becoming more popular. There really aren't any other factors that could possibly cause a decrease in sales other than rampant piracy.

Sales of anime DVDs have decreased from $500 million in 2003 to $400 million in 2006. According to the law of supply and demand, since the demand decreased, the supply decreased as well. Anime releases have dropped from 600 releases in 2006 to 500 in 2007.

I couldn't find the exact numbers you were asking for, but I hope this helps in understanding why people believe there is a piracy problem. Anime sales have gone down while using digital mediums such as torrents, IRC, and online streaming sites has become more popular. The only other thing that could possibly factor into the sales decline is the revolt against "high costs for anime."

Again, sorry if the first post sounded like an insult. It's hard to communicate emotion through a forum. Misinterpretation happens all the time.


Well true that it maybe that numbers have gone down... But could it be another phenomenon? I mean generally speaking, yes demand is going down for "physical" form of the media... maybe as well as digital... and to further add to that layer, "legit" media. But isn't it also that demand has also gone up in a way? Kind of an economy question here, but doesn't technically, I guess putting it this way, CR, torrents, youtube, and veoh (among the most popular sites) increase supply? So then as the demand goes up, so does the supply demanded, but then again the only problem is that the equilibrium isn't being reached right? The physical dollars aren't being transfered back to the creators, and the only the only cost that the creators are feeling are the inflated costs of their creation? As in, because there is such a supply, they aren't willing to pay for it because they didn't warrant the mass distribution... So that means, the only thing that needs to be worried about is either, the creators actually lower the cost of their creations to the equalibrium market price that everyone is willing to pay at, or that they cut off the large supply.

So with all that rambling done and said, a new question arises, would lowering the cost of anime to the price that everyone who is using say CR, or veoh, or youtube, or any other non-P2P based site, and the users pay for it all at that price... the problem would be solved no? But the thing is, there must be some sort of phenomenon going on... I haven't studied econ enough to know... but don't you think that's a valid point?

(I honestly didn't mean to diverge onto a different topic... I just started, and I ended up with that >.<)
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*headdesk* .....CR really needs an icon for that now....cuz if this goes on......*headdesk* ...but that's life ne? Still....It didn't really seem right when ANN asked personal questions and like they were trying to make CR look bad. Even though as far as I see, they're doing pretty good. I mean right now they're trying to make deals with big Japanese production companies and even complying to fansubbers and licensors alike.
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the interviewer sometimes came of as hostile and let his own feelings interfere with his interview. He was also too repetitve as if asking the same question would produce a different answer.
I did find it funny that some of the people who are soo against crunchyroll, still come here and support them by watching their videos.

I have seen some of his other interviews with subbers and what pisses me off is that the subbers are upset with crunchyroll, for charging money, yet arent the subbers stealing money from the animators??

someone in one of the previous posts said people who stream/download anime do not support anime as an art form. If that is the case then wouldnt fans who download and the fansubbers take equal responsibility for the decrease in anime sales?? How can you put all the blame on a fan when something is provided to them for free??

I understand it is an unwritten code not to sell or redistribute fansubbed anime, however arent their some subbers that willing donate their fansubs to sites such as crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube?

In an essence dont they all need each other? the animators need the subbers to promote their work? the subbers need sites such as crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube, to promote anime and further promote their work. and the sites such as veoh,crunchyroll, and youtube, need the subber, and animators to stay in business.
Do not take this the the wrong way, i have A LOT of respect for the fansubbers. Just do not whine about someone taking something from you when your taking something from someone else.
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Spacewolves wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Spacewolves wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Spacewolves wrote:

You know, I really want to have a public research on how sites like veoh and CR are actually affecting the digital medium industry, or for that matter, video industry of what ever genre. There are those who can't afford to buy every single anime out there right? So if these people never got to see some of the animes on CR per say, would that really kill of possible customers, and have them suffer, or is it a matter of those who would usually pay for the entire box set of an entire series lost because of sites like veoh? Or do sites like veoh and CR actually attract more possible customers and raise their profits because it is getting more exposure?

Some of us would never even possibly even come into contact with some of the animes we've watched here on CR and veoh... But what does it really do to the anime industry?? I really want to know...


I'm not trying to sound mean, but the numbers are kind of obvious. Think about it. In this site, there have been a few topics regarding DVDs. Most people that respond to such topics say "I don't have money" or even try to justify not buying DVDs because they have dubs on them. Remember, this is a majority of people who respond to such topics. If you really want to know how much this affects the industry, go to Baka-updates and download Naruto or Bleach torrent and look at the seeders and leechers numbers. Then, go to youtube and look at the view count for the latest Naruto or Bleach episode. Finally, look for how many websites actually allow you to direct download these episodes and charge you for membership.(Not referring to CR because CR offers the same material except in low quality) Nowadays, anime costs more than around $250,000 an episode. Despite the high costs of production, artists are still paid below American minimum wage. If you can't see where this is going, then oh well.


I'll take the direct insult, but the fact remains, do those, say 1,000,000 (what is the exact number, I don't know), viewers actually account for the actual loss in the industry? Put in another way, would those people have actually turned into buyers even if torrenting and sites like veoh, and, before it was taken down, CR never existed? Do you catch my drift. No doubt that there are those who would have been potential buyers actually dropped the novel idea of paying for something you could have gotten free, but what about the other side of the argument?

Would such a digital medium actually attract more buyers, or potential buyers then the amount they loss? I just want to know the ratio, the actual statistical number. This isn't a matter of logic here, it's a matter of what the fuck are the facts and figures of what is actually going on.

Also another thing is... since the source of revenue for the authors, and creators we are talking about here is licensing... How much are they getting payed from licensing? And how much from the advertising sponsors? or the merchandise they sell ALONE?


I didn't mean for it to be an insult. To answer your last question, it really depends on the creators. Nowadays, the creators sell off the license to other people before America tries to buy it. Basically, they split the license into a bunch of other licenses and sell each license individually. American companies have to buy each license from the different holders.

To give some kind of statistic. I can tell you that the R1 anime DVD industry has been making less money as sites torrents and youtube are becoming more popular. There really aren't any other factors that could possibly cause a decrease in sales other than rampant piracy.

Sales of anime DVDs have decreased from $500 million in 2003 to $400 million in 2006. According to the law of supply and demand, since the demand decreased, the supply decreased as well. Anime releases have dropped from 600 releases in 2006 to 500 in 2007.

I couldn't find the exact numbers you were asking for, but I hope this helps in understanding why people believe there is a piracy problem. Anime sales have gone down while using digital mediums such as torrents, IRC, and online streaming sites has become more popular. The only other thing that could possibly factor into the sales decline is the revolt against "high costs for anime."

Again, sorry if the first post sounded like an insult. It's hard to communicate emotion through a forum. Misinterpretation happens all the time.


Well true that it maybe that numbers have gone down... But could it be another phenomenon? I mean generally speaking, yes demand is going down for "physical" form of the media... maybe as well as digital... and to further add to that layer, "legit" media. But isn't it also that demand has also gone up in a way? Kind of an economy question here, but doesn't technically, I guess putting it this way, CR, torrents, youtube, and veoh (among the most popular sites) increase supply? So then as the demand goes up, so does the supply demanded, but then again the only problem is that the equilibrium isn't being reached right? The physical dollars aren't being transfered back to the creators, and the only the only cost that the creators are feeling are the inflated costs of their creation? As in, because there is such a supply, they aren't willing to pay for it because they didn't warrant the mass distribution... So that means, the only thing that needs to be worried about is either, the creators actually lower the cost of their creations to the equalibrium market price that everyone is willing to pay at, or that they cut off the large supply.

So with all that rambling done and said, a new question arises, would lowering the cost of anime to the price that everyone who is using say CR, or veoh, or youtube, or any other non-P2P based site, and the users pay for it all at that price... the problem would be solved no? But the thing is, there must be some sort of phenomenon going on... I haven't studied econ enough to know... but don't you think that's a valid point?

(I honestly didn't mean to diverge onto a different topic... I just started, and I ended up with that >.<)


That is what the Japanese do when they watch anime on TV. The Japanese pay a tax to the NHK to provide anime. The problem is, with so many shows on CR, it is improbable for a mere subscription fee to be available at a reasonable price while managing to reach production costs. The only way to solve that problem would be to make it something like paying for On-demand. You will get charged for each show you watch. However, for the price, you cannot re-watch the show without paying again. You might as well purchase a legitimate download from ADV or Bandai. There are official places where you can get anime legally for download. The only problem is that you cannot get all the shows that are airing in Japan. In all honesty, there our generation is getting impatient with the advances in technology. If you can't wait 'til an anime is licensed, just watch another anime. The amount of anime available is so vast that you can't possibly see all of them in one life time. Unfortunately, not all anime will be licensed. The only solution I can give to that is buy the R2 release. The most important thing is that money gets back to the creator.

Could sites like CR use your idea to satisfy the demand for anime and be used as a way for the creator to be paid for his/her work? Yes. The big issue though is that fansubs and streaming sites usually don't try to contact the creator to establish some sort of negotiation or even try to receive his/her blessing.

I am not against CR in any way. I am merely trying to sympathize with ANN considering this thread is slightly biased towards the feeling that ANN "attacked" CR.
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Well ANN has its points but I believe CR is doing an amazing job maintaining a site like this one. Also, CR doesn't require you to pay. Rather than that they accept donations. It's not like other sites which require you to pay a fee every month. Usually other sites don't have much variety in their selection of anime either. CR also offers many other things besides anime which is definitely a plus for people with different taste. That's all I have to say.
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the interviewer sometimes came of as hostile and let his own feelings interfere with his interview. He was also too repetitve as if asking the same question would produce a different answer.
I did find it funny that some of the people who are soo against crunchyroll, still come here and support them by watching their videos.

I have seen some of his other interviews with subbers and what pisses me off is that the subbers are upset with crunchyroll, for charging money, yet arent the subbers stealing money from the animators??

someone in one of the previous posts said people who stream/download anime do not support anime as an art form. If that is the case then wouldnt fans who download and the fansubbers take equal responsibility for the decrease in anime sales?? How can you put all the blame on a fan when something is provided to them for free??

I understand it is an unwritten code not to sell or redistribute fansubbed anime, however arent their some subbers that willing donate their fansubs to sites such as crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube?

In an essence dont they all need each other? the animators need the subbers to promote their work? the subbers need sites such as crunchyroll, veoh, and youtube, to promote anime and further promote their work. and the sites such as veoh,crunchyroll, and youtube, need the subber, and animators to stay in business.
Do not take this the the wrong way, i have A LOT of respect for the fansubbers. Just do not whine about someone taking something from you when your taking something from someone else.


I don't think the interview came off as hostile at all. I've read much worse in magazines and I've watched some pretty harsh ones on TV. The thing is if you want answers than you ask the harsh questions. I think some of it was a bit repetitive because the original questions weren't being answered or answered fully at all. These are questions that most people outside of CR would like answered especially considering it's history and recent team up with Gonzo.

I think fansubbers are upset at CR because they don't follow the code of ethics at all. Majority of fansubbers do know that in some way they are hurting the industry but at least they take down and stop subbing the series when it's licensed, they don't ask for money because they know it's really not right considering it's not theirs. Most fansubbers who follow the code of ethics do not upload their stuff on to sites like CR or Youtube because those are put on by other users.

Also, even though it's offered for free I think fans are able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to( or should) download and stream anime. Most of the blame isn't put on fans, but too many fans don't bother to buy the series after watching it, particularly on CR.

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