Well, those uninterested in a niche interest are not really expected to understand that niche interest. Like how a personal opinion of mine is "Rock sucks.", but then I do not even like rock, and I do not even understand it all that much, so my opinion shouldn't even matter since I don't even understand what its about.

So I can't really expect lolicon haters and neutral people to understand what the lolicon convention is, as most interpret it as just child porn.

leave them as they are... they're just being judgmental...

after all... the only ones who have the right to hate lolicons are the lolis themselves... since they're the ones involved...(I'm not referring to the general public)

And there is another side of lolishotacon, one which our accusers seem to have fun ignoring, neoteny.

Lolitas don't hate us as much as uninvolved people do, since most of the "they deserve to die" and "lolicon is child porn" or other similar statements come from the uninvolved people.

Well, 4Kids did bastardize Cardcaptor Sakura because they thought the yaoi and yuri elements would corrupt their kids or something to that effect.

yeah that's true.... its just like a movie where the audience tells the actor what to do... then again they don't really know...

well here's to it... ignore anti-lolicons... just walk up to the lolis and show everyone that not all lolicons are after sex...(i know some are...)

Hail Satan

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eh? what's lolicons? LOL. can somebody answer meee??

First of all, the irony of this is overwhelming. The point of this picture is: IF you say it's lolicon, then you see that girl as behaving sexually, which means you are reading sexuality into it. In other words, it's a reflection of your own inner thoughts, a Loli-Rorschach if you will. This is, objectively, a picture of a girl who's lying on an ottoman, and whose skirt rode up. Happened to my sister many times.

Next point: neoteny vs. pedophilia. You people keep saying that liking loli-esque adults is also sick, because we want them to be children, so we can do to adults what we can't do to children. Sorry, but that's BS. For one thing, how the hell would you know? Some of us, like myself, simply happen to like girls with small breasts. I don't care if they're 12, 18, or 35. I find large breasted women unattractive. Which is why I tend to like Asians in the first place. So no, it isn't that they're child-like or childish. It's the fact that they're small breasted.
Point 2 on this case: my friend is highly anti-loli. Hates the thought of it. His wife suffers from neoteny. Does this make him a pedophile? No. It means his wife is under-developed. Therefore, does liking women with neotany automatically make one a pedophile? No.

Third point. Is Lolicon pedophilia? Well, I think it would be appropriate to define EXACTLY what pedophilia is:

(Bolds mine, Wikipedia)
In ADDITION:

(Bolds mine, ibid)

Now, as more than one person has already stated, many of the characters classified as loli-types are over the age of thirteen, many of them are over the age of majority. Therefore, people who have a SEXUAL attraction to those characters ARE NOT PEDOPHILES!

Point 4: Is it sexual attraction? Well, as I've already stated, yes, I'm sexually attracted to small breasts. However, do ALL small breasted women attract me? No. MrSentimental, you keep saying that lolicons are sexually attracted to all lolicons. Bulls**t. 1) Just like everyone else, we have preferences. 2) When you watch I dunno, Elfen Leid, are you sexually attracted to the characters there? I'm not. I find Lucy physically attractive, and the little girl adorable, but I'm not sexually attracted to them. 3) Likewise, I work with a number of small-breasted women. I'm not sexually attracted to them. I'm good acquaintences, we socialize, I enjoy working with them. I consider quite a few physically attractive Wouldn't want to screw any of them. 4) Thus, just as I'm not attracted to every woman that fits my criteria, and I don't scope them out (for various reasons), and just as you, I assume, don't want to f**k every woman that moves, lolis are not attracted to EVERY loli-type sexually.

Point 5: Is it sexual attraction? (part deux) Maybe for some. Personally, some of the "loli" characters that I'm attracted to, it has nothing to do with sexuality. For instance, the series Kanon, which you may have heard of, or may not, doesn't matter. It features a boy who goes to school with a bunch of girls, and eventually falls in love with one of them. It's a harem series, much like any other, except that it's much sadder. It's my favorite series, and I feel attraction for (bordering on love for, if that's possible) the characters in that series. I am not attracted to them physically, I'm not attracted to them sexually. I am attracted to them because they are tragic characters, they are funny characters, or they otherwise have incredibly emotional stories. Now, at least 3 of the characters in that series are loli-types (small breasts, large eyes, under the age of majority). And, as I said, I love these characters. I cry when they die, and I laugh when they win. I also happen to find them cute, and good looking and prefer their appearance to the characters in Eiken. If they switched them, I'd never have watched Kanon. Does this make my desire inappropriate?

Point 6: I note, mrsentimental, that you've picked up heavily on the SEX part of the Wiki article, but you missed some of the other part, what we call CONTEXT.
Let me help you here:

(bolds mine, ibid)
In other words, IN JAPAN the word refers to attraction to young girls, not simply SEXUAL attraction. The stuff you're referring to, the girls in sexy poses is the WESTERN term for lolicon. So from here out, let's distinguish. Loli-hentai shall henceforth refer to fapping to young girls. Lolicon shall henceforth be an aesthetic appreciation of the cuteness/attractiveness of young girls. Because, I hate to tell you, as an older brother, I find my sister cute. I don't consider her sexually attractive, nor would I fap to her. But she's physically attractive.
Note that nothing is said there about sexuality. We find them attractive. Not always sexual.


In other words... Different culture, different norms. It's accepted over there because of the culture.

Lastly, I'd like to point you to a section from later in the same article that was previously posted:

I.E. F*** You, old man sentimental. "Statutory rape, etc. have gone DOWN since loli-hentai first started." In other words, people who do that stuff stop doing little children. (Note that lolicon manga is loli-hentai, not simply lolicon)

3 more quick points and then I'm done.
1) By now, you probably assume I'm a lolicon. Yeah, I am. But I'm not a loli-hentai. I'll even agree with you that I think that stuff is pretty nasty. But I am pissed that you keep trying to equate something like Bottle Fairys (that pink picture) or Gunslinger Girl with hardcore loli-hentai. If I think 12 year olds in wedding dresses are cute (not even physically attractive, just cute) that makes me a lolicon. If I want to have sex with her, that makes me a loli-hentai. I don't. Also, note that I'm sexually attracted to adults, and have NO sexual attraction to minors. As stated previously, I simply prefer small breasts.

2) Also stop using the fem. lolicon (as in lolicon-bait) to assume it means we're all fapping to Elfen Leid's Nana. She's a lolicon-type. She's got big eyes, small tits, a childish personality. She wears little to no clothing. It's like saying someone is jailbait, or a whore. It doesn't always mean they're doing anything sexually. It's a typification.

3) If you don't want your kids to screw around, tell them not to. That's what parents are for. If you think kids are going to start f**king because they watch a loli-hentai (which, guess what, is just as illegal to show to minors as other hentai) then guess what, you're probably a bit late. And if you think they'll do it from watching Gunslinger Girl, then you probably think Joe Camel makes kids smoke. Take some personal responsibility for your kids, people.

And a bonus:
4) Methinks the old man doth protest a tad too much.

Well, Kohou pretty much did what we were aiming to do in a single post. I am humbled by your argumentative skills.

-initiates the bow down mode-

No, I'm referring to this:


among other things. Using the term Loli-character. and then he made the comment in bold. That's what I'm taking issue with. The fact that he used loli-type (or lolicon-bait, if you'd like) to mean loli-hentai.

Actually, bluefox, your stuff was quite impressive. If you hadn't made that post about "we're into admiring the amazing cuteness displayed by girls and hope that they have neoteny so they can keep said traits even as they grow into the age of majority. And we're not into breasts." I probably wouldn't have spoken up. I just didn't like seeing him twisting such a wonderful explanation up like putty.