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Do You Like Lolicons??!!
Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08
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Cripe!!! Not THIS stuff again?!?!?! Alright, someone PLEASE give us a solid explanation for this lolicon thing. What do lolicon adults like about kids? Lets hear it straight! No B.S.! Otherwise, it's just adults oogling and having sexual fantasies about kids, which equals child porn.

This whole thing, if it continnues to be an accepted part of Anime, makes us Anime enthusiasts look real bad! Get Rid of Lolicon stuff and child porn!!!
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I dont like lolicons, they are just an eyesore.
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Porn is gross to start off and for some one to be viewing a child is just even worst
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Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08

FlamieFlames wrote:

Porn is gross to start off


I never, ever thought I'd hear someone say that on the Internet.

Anyway, I know a couple of people that like lolicon, but not actual kiddieporn. I think that as long as it doesn't become mainstream, it's alright. Messed up, maybe, that depends on your opinion. But if its a choice between lolicons jacking off to loli porn or real child porn, then the former is defenetely better than the latter.
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Yeah, Loli is pretty messed up. But theres worse >.> Like guro... -shutterness-
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well it is ...
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i love lollicons!XDXD jk jk
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Well, at least one person had the guts to TRY to explain what this lolicon thing is. But this still basically tries to dance around the idea of little kids as sex objects.

But this is what we're talking about! Not cute kids who stumble while trying to take their first step. Or cute kids who use the wrong words in a sentence because they're just learning how to talk. Or cute kids who are struggling carrying in a grocery bag for their parents after shopping because it's just a little too heavy for them. Lolicon folks like kids who have little-to-no clothing on so they can oogle them and have sexual thoughts about them. Bottom line!

You don't see any of this kind of stuff in "live action" TV/movies. That's because it's BAD STUFF! And will be looked at as child porn. So, Anime is seen as the media where this kind of child porn stuff is OK. Again, it makes us Anime enthusiasts look REAL BAD!

Well, there WAS one live action movie I saw recently that did have some of this stuff: "Hard Candy". Enjoy, all you pedophile types.



Sorry for my "pathetic" attempt at explaining this, so let me reaffirm my stance.

Looking at people in the age of majority does not make it any more right than if you look at minors that way, so all those other guys who ogle at breasts, asses and other parts on a mature person would be hypocritical in their prosecution of lolicons just because we prefer things differently.

Still, lolicons are still pro-girls-with-neoteny, not child porn. Sure it's all still a perversion, but it doesn't herald anymore scorn than regular porn does unless regular perverts are just trying to shift the blame to us.




Well, I agree that unwanted oogling of Anyone's breasts, or asses, or other parts is not a good thing. And I agree with the comparison between this lolicon stuff and regular porn. Unfortunately, alot of porn incorrectly portays women as wonton, horny sex objects who want to perform lots of sex acts that, in real life, they really don't want to perform (including alot of rape). This lolicon stuff ALSO portrays kids as sex objects, which is very incorrect.

The HUGE worrysome thing is that, while kids hopefully don't get their hands on porn, this lolicon stuff is apparently available to kids through the Anime media. So, thanks to this Anime lolicon stuff, kids get this message that it's good to dress in sexy ways and look like you're interested in sex. Anime is being VERY BAD this way. Are there ANY live-action shows/movies that show that this lolicon stuff or child porn as OK? I haven't found any yet, and for good reason. It's BAD FOR KIDS!
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Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08

FlamieFlames wrote:

Porn is gross to start off and for some one to be viewing a child is just even worst


I don't understand. What is the moral difference between being turned on by a non-existant adult and being turned on by a non-existant kid?
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well it is ...


naruto is full of loli's-desu



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mrsentimental, You may want to fix up your quotes there. I agree though - if lolicon becomes mainstream, it will cast a bad light on the Anime fandom (as if we need it ). Thankfully one company decided not to publish Kodomo No Jikan in the States at the last minute, but I bet if it was published then news stations would go ballistic about it.
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loli anime is stupid and should not exist, for example kodomo no jikan. dam u pedophiles, just die!!!~~~!!!~~~~~
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Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08

noisehok wrote:

Lolicon is a noun actually....from "Lolita Complex" shortened to "Lolicon" -- which is a label for a person. Lolicons are not Pedophiles, and it's a sub-culture (somehow only in Japan). Unless it goes over the line, it might cross over to the extreme side of Paraphilia (which of course is only the extreme side). However, there are still ongoing debates about this ambiguous term. Basically, it differs from country to country, which is expected because cultural clashes are unavoidable.



I think, it is less likely for non native japanese to indulge into the extremes of a true Japanese Oji-san Lolicon, as eventually our culture will only allow us to go to the extent of 2D girls. Similarly, you can say that a Lolicon in Japan is only on par with someone who likes sexy women in another country (just an example), or even someone who likes excessively plump women (some countries have this kinda sub-culture too).

I don't think we should start flaming people around here and I think most Lolicons here haven't even seen the full-fledged ones in Japan, so they are basically harmless people who find 2D lolis cute and all. Let it rest guys.


Thanks for the very interesting info. This was probably the most seemingly objective info I've seen about this topic so far.

As far as "letting it rest", no way. This part of Anime that encourages folks to see little kids as sex objects is really bad! Would you want some lolicon guy oogling your younger, pre-teen sister? Or thinking sexual thoughts about your 5 year old daughter? Would you dress up your 5 year old in a "sexy" outfit? You know what I'm getting at here.
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Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08

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mrsentimental wrote:

But this is what we're talking about! Not cute kids who stumble while trying to take their first step. Or cute kids who use the wrong words in a sentence because they're just learning how to talk. Or cute kids who are struggling carrying in a grocery bag for their parents after shopping because it's just a little too heavy for them. Lolicon folks like kids who have little-to-no clothing on so they can oogle them and have sexual thoughts about them. Bottom line!


Erm... I protest this bit. Fundamentally speaking, lolitas are merely people that have traits similar to children. Cute kids who stumble while trying to take their first step are just as attractive to the majority to lolicons as kids who have little-to-no-clothing. In fact, to many, the fully covered child is far more desirable than the skimpily clothed child. The gothic lolita style of dressing, while extremely popular in Japan, actually looks down upon the revealing of skin, and claims it goes against what a lolita is about. In many ways, this is also reflected in a large number of lolicons, who desire the cuter aspects of the childlike character rather than the childlike character in itself.

Take Latooni Subota from Super Robot Wars: Original Generation (and the associated anime Divine Wars) for example. She switches between a pilot suit and a goth-loli dress complete with hat and dead rabbit hanging off her waist, and everybody still loves her. Shine Hausen from the same series is a child monarch, so the same deal applies there. Gowns and pilot suits.

Even fan artists who would reduce Excellen and their ilk to their bras and panties respect the image brought forth by these two, and only go as low as their undershirts, which are still pretty cute. Childlike, if you must.

There.


Well, I guess I'm not seing alot of the sexual stuff in these examples. Mr. Noisehok had a pretty thorough explanation of this lolicon stuff, which really emphasizes the "kids as sex objects" thing. This sex with kids thing is a REAL BAD PROBLEM in Anime! There's no way to minimize it.
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Posted 3/26/08 , edited 4/12/08

Zer0 wrote:

mrsentimental, You may want to fix up your quotes there. I agree though - if lolicon becomes mainstream, it will cast a bad light on the Anime fandom (as if we need it ). Thankfully one company decided not to publish Kodomo No Jikan in the States at the last minute, but I bet if it was published then news stations would go ballistic about it.


Yah, I'm not being so good about the quoting thing. I'm glad to hear some companies are taking a stand against this "kids as sex objects" thing.
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