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You know that money is complete donation which make it ethical. It not like people are directly buying the anime that others post on here. Yes, to be fan buying is good part of it and I do for stuff I really like. I give money for site so this site can improve and live. It cost money to run a site if you didn't know that. And it not like he made people put up those fansub anime. So this site has every right to ask for support and that all he doing,


I can some what understand where your coming from but I still disagree on whether or not it's ethical and what I mean by ethics I mean the Code of Ethics held by most fansubbers. Even though CR didn't make users upload the fansubbed anime and licensed anime CR is still responsible for what is uploaded on the site and to make sure licensed series are removed. On many accounts series that have been licensed for awhile had not been removed till long after the license was announced like Naruto and Bleach.

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SamMan wrote:
You know that money is complete donation which make it ethical. It not like people are directly buying the anime that others post on here. Yes, to be fan buying is good part of it and I do for stuff I really like. I give money for site so this site can improve and live. It cost money to run a site if you didn't know that. And it not like he made people put up those fansub anime. So this site has every right to ask for support and that all he doing,


I can somewhat understand where you're coming from but I still disagree on whether or not it's ethical and what I mean by ethics I mean the Code of Ethics held by most fansubbers. Even though CR didn't make users upload the fansubbed anime and licensed anime CR is still responsible for what is uploaded on the site and to make sure licensed series are removed. On many accounts series that have been licensed for awhile had not been removed till long after the license was announced like Naruto and Bleach.



I agree somewhat about Licensed anime. But then again these ethics were made by fan subbers and they still made their choose to let their work out on internet for free and you got to expect thing like this if you're going put your information out. CR has not made any direct money off those work so it cannot be said that that they have broke fan subber ethics. Then again I say in till money come form membership and not by donation it not break any ethics.
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magnus102 wrote:


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Like there a difference to being a "fan" that downloads or streams. -_-

And they make it seem like we are 'forced' to donate to get good quality... >_<


There is a difference to being a "fan" who buys and one who streams. People that do not buy anime that has been released on DVD and just stream are not doing their part to support anime as an art form.

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No they don't. The point was that there really shouldn't have been a donation thing in the first place because it's considered unethical to sell, or ask for donations for fansubs. There are many fansub groups who specifically ask not to redistribute the fan subs on other sites and in many cases CR hasn't complied with that.




Exactly. It odd how no one seems to get this.


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Hey, their this jealousies. I read article by crunchroll has brought in 4.05 million capital. Let them whine all they want it not going change any thing. Sorry to guy who put up with this crapy interview.

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http://www.centernetworks.com/crunchyroll-video-sharing-vc


Yes they did. What CR has not done is any of the work to produce the stuff on this site. Is it ethical to make a profit from the works of others? Especially ones who do not want their stuff sold, such as most fan subbers.


You know that money is complete donation which make it ethical. It not like people are directly buying the anime that others post on here. Yes, to be fan buying is good part of it and I do for stuff I really like. I give money for site so this site can improve and live. It cost money to run a site if you didn't know that. And it not like he made people put up those fansub anime. So this site has every right to ask for support and that all he doing,


That does not mean it is ethical. I am not saying it is unethical exactly either. It is not an easy question. Fan subbers are doing the work, as are the people making the shows. If a fan sub group does not want people to profit from their work they that means no one should make a profit from their work. Or at least thats how I see things. If the CR employees are getting paid (they are) then we have to ask questions about what they are doing here.


Well, fan subbers have made their choose to let out for free and that mean they do because of their love for anime. And people who made anime do make money off it as well so does mean they're not doing it for anime as much CR is. I think you should ask CR it self that question not me but my opinion as supporter is I gave them money to help this site and if that mean he pay his helper to it then it fine with me. A lot of this fansub anime not absoluely post by people who are running CR. Please in till money is coming in by membership and not by donation there nothing ethically wrong. It not like he making you pay and it was supporter choose to give him the money.

Yes they did make money from their work. The people who work for the site get paid. They solds ad space. They just got 4 freaking million $ in venture capital. Thats not just donations neh? Also asking for donations when the stuff should be free is wrong anyway. Google the guy's name who was being interviewed. He was a highly paid exec for another internet company. This is hardly 4 college drop outs. I have doubts thats what its like in reality. It is most likely a front put on to fool people into thiking "oh the peopel who run the site are just fans like me!" I doubt it.


So we don't have ads. Yeah I'm sure there not like you. Nobody but you is like you. Hey college doesn't work for everyone. Why we have a lot of people waste money on college. People asking for donation have that right. You have right to ask for donation. There nothing wrong about that. This because your jealousies that they're making money does make it unethical. People have right to make money. The google people used ad word to make money even beyond what CR made. Internet is free market. Well, even if he not fan of anime does not mean it wrong of him to sell ad space.
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what is this the third thread already.. god mods suck so bad at closing threads.... just close it already and let the people post in the original thread..
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wow i feel srry for the dude being interviewed(forgot name)..i mean i would have been nervous...
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this sucks!!
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Actually magnus I think you work for ANN. Its really suspicious why CR get bashed why some other Anime sites didn't get any attention at all. BTW CR removed those licensed contents thus the only things that was here is unlicensed animes/dramas. They are free to show it as long as its not yet licensed or unless the companies request for its removal. About those FANSUBs seriously all the FANSUBs that didn't want their subs on Cr was removed long time ago. So whats reason for this bashing. The interviewers indeed cross the line and have been very personal. If ever CR was able to have their FANSUBs it was long time ago. So why this harsh interview just come up if those things were taking of already. You call that a good interview.. Maybe for a pre-schoolers thinking that would be good. Seriously you said google doesn't have any profits from streaming? So why does you tube has some ads?...
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Posted 3/25/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Actually magnus I think you work for ANN. Its really suspicious why CR get bashed why some other Anime sites didn't get any attention at all. BTW CR removed those licensed contents thus the only things that was here is unlicensed animes/dramas. They are free to show it as long as its not yet licensed or unless the companies request for its removal. About those FANSUBs seriously all the FANSUBs that didn't want their subs on Cr was removed long time ago. So whats reason for this bashing. The interviewers indeed cross the line and have been very personal. If ever CR was able to have their FANSUBs it was long time ago. So why this harsh interview just come up if those things were taking of already. You call that a good interview.. Maybe for a pre-schoolers thinking that would be good. Seriously you said google doesn't have any profits from streaming? So why does you tube has some ads?...


I never said google did not make any profit. Read my whole post and I might think you are worth responding to. though saying I work for ANN is a awesome. I wish I did -_-. ANN > CR anyday of the week


Sorry about the google thing..The interviewer kinda like immature so I wonder how about the others. Before judging others they should have reviewed if what he did is a good one.. ANN sucks as the interviewer does.. Oh BY the way the uploaders should be the one responsible since its not really CR who uploads some videos and of course Volunteer MODs approves videos...

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lol, i went to the site and read some comment, honestly the peanut gallery was ,much more brutal than the interview. i know its immoral, but their in America, you dont cry over companies losing, they have to work hard to survive. look at this comment, its hilarious "After reading this interview, I am just amazed that GONZO wants to do business with people like this. What are they thinking? How can they possibly want to bestow even the slightest whiff of legitimacy to these thieves?" the CR staff put all their efforts into this website, if they we're not to take donations, do you think this site would still be around? how would you feel if you raised a child and invested everything in him and he dies in an accident? In truth, morals don't mean anything in the face of survival. A hungry lion would not think twice in eating a poor defenseless creature, neither do any predators.
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so...seriously....you really can't please everybody...
but Crunchyroll???
why should it be hated>_<
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so...seriously....you really can't please everybody...
but Crunchyroll???
why should it be hated>_<


Nah thats what we call jealousy since their site doesn't got much attention. they want CR fans to visit also their site and have a little popularity..
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Posted 3/25/08 , edited 4/18/08
To be honest I have feel more welcome here then in ANN. Most people there are old and look others down. I will be always fighting this mod in ANN and in CR they are cool. Love this site so much and dont bother to donate to keep this site running.
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Posted 3/25/08 , edited 4/18/08

kinchin123 wrote:


silvermaze wrote:

so...seriously....you really can't please everybody...
but Crunchyroll???
why should it be hated>_<


Nah thats what we call jealousy since their site doesn't got much attention. they want CR fans to visit also their site and have a little popularity..



yeah maybe that's the reason....
and besides Cr didn't do anything so nothing wrong^^
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Posted 3/25/08 , edited 4/18/08
lol to much to read, who gives a shit, people always bitch and got nothing better to do.
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Wow what bastards i love CR
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