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I would like you guys to post here any links, videos, articles, etc related to religion. Be it for or against, as long as is not extremely biased or rude

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This is Daniel Dennet, he is a philosopher and atheist, who brings some interesting points and approaches ot religion that I find more interesting than say, Richard Dawkins' aggressive talks.

- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5640093862168820605

This one is a discussion between 4 atheists.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-869630813464694890
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-225595257312538919

This one is a talk called 'beyond belief" also loaded with atheistic beliefs for the most part. However, if you can get past the silly political jokes and old atheist lines there are many excellent points for both believers and nonbelievers

http://thesciencenetwork.org/BeyondBelief/watch/

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http://meaningoflife.tv/

this site has interviews by both theists and athiests and you can see the main topics at the right side of the page.

I honestly admit that I lack good sources from the theistic side so hopefully this thread will help us expand each other's sources.
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Richard Dawkins’ attitude toward religion is very heated, but the man’s a genius none the less-don’t you agree? Well, I personally prefer to listen to and read heated argument over traditionalistic and tediously placid debate. That’s not to say I like shouting and flaming, but opinionated people who are overly confident are far more amusing than the more mature people necessary for the sagacious talk that is-while more provoking in thought, less fun to listen to.

Richard Dawkins is an incredibly eloquent person, but I can’t respect him on certain aspects because of his zealotry-which reeks of the same sentiments I once held, and hated myself for. However, I’ve found a man who’s incredibly brilliant, educated, amusing, opinionated, yet respectful and less-aggressive. His name, my friend, is Peter Kreeft-and he’s the writer of some of my favorite works of literature, including “Between Heaven and Hell,” which I’m never going to stop suggesting until everyone reads! :p

He has some video’s uploaded on the U-Tube, I’ll post one. It’s the first part of 8, so you’ll have to find some of the others. Here, he’s not really showing everything he has in him, but it’s still fairly fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKBjZ7KFhIg

He makes a reference to the 1940’s play Harvey. I won medals for my performance for the character, Dr. Sanderson in that play.

As far as old D.D goes, I think he’s a little bit full of it, sorry to say. He’s the sort of man I can respect, but who I can’t agree with. Like an old uncle… Anyway, he says he doesn’t think the question of atheism vs. religion is important, yet he dedicates his time to think about it, analyze it, and even write about it?

I'll get back with you after I watch the rest.
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Ummah Films is a Muslim film company that strives to provide Halaal (Islamically permissible) entertainment to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. We are not affiliated with any particular movement, sect, group, etc. We absolutely condemn in the strongest terms terrorism and any extremism done in the name of Islam and we refuse to associate ourselves with those who practice and condone such behavior and thoughts

BABA ALI is really Wise kid and you should check his videos out !!! and you will really get to know more about Islam !!!


Who Hijacked My Religion ?
http://ummahfilms.blogspot.com/2006/07/video-blog-9-who-hijacked-my-religion.html

Why Islam ?
http://ummahfilms.blogspot.com/2007/07/its-here-ummah-films-season-2-finale.html


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^ thank you very much for sharing that.
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I found this talk very interesting and refreshing.

Bob Thurman: Becoming Buddha -- on the Web


"In our hyperlinked world, we can know anything, anytime. And this mass enlightenment, says Buddhist scholar Bob Thurman, is our first step toward becoming Buddha. When we can know everything, we can see how everything is interconnected -- and we can begin to feel compassion for every living being."

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/130
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atrachan wrote:

Ummah Films is a Muslim film company that strives to provide Halaal (Islamically permissible) entertainment to Muslims and non-Muslims alike. We are not affiliated with any particular movement, sect, group, etc. We absolutely condemn in the strongest terms terrorism and any extremism done in the name of Islam and we refuse to associate ourselves with those who practice and condone such behavior and thoughts

BABA ALI is really Wise kid and you should check his videos out !!! and you will really get to know more about Islam !!!


Who Hijacked My Religion ?
http://ummahfilms.blogspot.com/2006/07/video-blog-9-who-hijacked-my-religion.html

Why Islam ?
http://ummahfilms.blogspot.com/2007/07/its-here-ummah-films-season-2-finale.html




I liked both of the videos, but in the second one I have a touch of criticism. The man said, “We don’t see order spontaneously appear from chaos,” but quite the contrary, we do. Natural aesthetics are a great example. Look at the mountain ranges. They’ve been randomly developed, sculpted by natural flows. However, many of these come out to have great patterns. Patterns are an ordered and mathematical concept, and yet they’re being spawned from chaos.

Another example comes from certain aspects of art. There’s an entire branch of abstract painting that amounts to an artists-in a rage, a melancholy, or cathartic condition randomly splashing paint on a canvas. Many great works of art have been born from this chaos.

Order does come from chaos. While it’s not likely, it’s certainly possible. Human experience suggests otherwise, but intellectual thinking contradicts this. Intuition cannot be relied upon to come up with answers. Everyone’s intuition contradicts-and that means somebody is wrong.

However, I do like his take on Islam, and I am tired of the propaganda. I value this mans opinion and intend to view some more of his videos. Thank you very much for posting these, and I ask you to continue bringing more thought provoking and mind opening videos.

Islam teaches peace, and just because a few groups of people who happen to be Muslims would see that message jaded, doesn’t mean the religion itself is evil.
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Um, I dont know if it's okay to post ebook links? I
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Celibacy and Religious Traditions
Oxford University Press (2008)
"If sexuality is inherently social, the same thing can be said about celibacy. An understanding of celibacy, argues Carl Olson, can be a useful way to view the significance of the human body within a social context. The purpose of this book is to examine how the practice of celibacy differs cross-culturally as well as historically within a particular religious tradition. The essays (all previously unpublished) will demonstrate that celibacy is a complex religious phenomenon. The control of sexual desire can be used to divorce oneself from a basic human biological drive, to separate oneself from what is perceived as impure, or to distance oneself from a transient world. Within different religious traditions there can be found the practice of temporary celibacy, commitment to long-term permanent celibacy, and outright condemnations of it. By maintaining a state of virginity, members of some religious traditions imitate divine models; other traditions do not admit the possibility of emulating such paradigms. Whether or not a religious tradition encourages or discourages it, the practice of celibacy gives us insight into its worldview, social values, gender relations, ethics, religious roles, and understanding of the physical body.

Celibacy can contribute to the creation of a certain status and play a role in the construction of identity, while serving as a source of charisma. In some religious traditions, it is possible to renounce sex and gain sacred status and economic support from society. Each essay in the collection will be written by an expert in a particular religious tradition. Each will address such questions as: Why do some members of a religious community decide to maintain a celibate style of religious life? Is celibacy a prerequisite for religious office or status? Are there different contexts within a given religious tradition for the practice of celibacy? What does the choice of celibacy tell us about the human body in a particular religious culture? What is the symbolic significance of celibacy? What is its connection to the acquisition of power? What are its physical or spiritual benefits?"

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Life Of Buddha Documentary
By the BBC

A reflection on the life and teachings of Buddha and the legacy of enlightenment seeking that he left. Perpetuated today by the Dalai Lama, this programme takes us back to the very origins of Buddhism, over 2500 years ago and to the spiritual transformation of Prince Siddhartha.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2238125946779433115

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aye, Christopher Hitchen just needs to uh interrupt less haha

Check the discussion between 4 atheists. link I posted on the opening post. He is in it along with Dennet, Dawkins and Sam Harris


Also, in the Beyond Belief series there is a particular talk I like from Ramachandran. This is the link
http://thesciencenetwork.org/BeyondBelief/watch/watch.php?Video=Session%204
It starts at minute 38:46 I would ignore the previous talker if I were you. He's pure jargonic BS in my opinion.
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^Same to you Mauz, I don't have time to watch the video right now, but if it's about atheism please move it to the Allied Atheist Group.
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Is not about atheism. Is about neurological observations and findings that are related to religion.

And even if it were, why would I have to move it? that's ridiculous. If the purpose of this group is to educate about religion, you should permit as many facets as possible. Just as it is beneficial for an atheist to learn about religion, is equally beneficial for a religious person to educate themselves about atheism. This is not a black and white matter, religious belief is on a strand, a continuum. You have at one side extreme spiritual beliefs, at the other you have extreme atheism, both of them are extremely rare; so between those two where do you start drawing the line? there are theistic agnostics and atheistic agnostics, there is secular theology, there is humanistic Judaism, there are people who are atheist in regards to a personal God but not to the notion of an abstract God, Buddhism has no personal God, etc, etc.

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So, Mauz...just out of curiosity, where do you stand in that continuum?
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Is not about atheism. Is about neurological observations and findings that are related to religion.

And even if it were, why would I have to move it? that's ridiculous. If the purpose of this group is to educate about religion, you should permit as many facets as possible. Just as it is beneficial for an atheist to learn about religion, is equally beneficial for a religious person to educate themselves about atheism. This is not a black and white matter, religious belief is on a strand, a continuum. You have at one side extreme spiritual beliefs, at the other you have extreme atheism, both of them are extremely rare; so between those two where do you start drawing the line? there are theistic agnostics and atheistic agnostics, there is secular theology, there is humanistic Judaism, there are people who are atheist in regards to a personal God but not to the notion of an abstract God, Buddhism has no personal God, etc, etc.


Perhaps you’re right. What do the other members think though? .
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Perhaps I'm being narrow-minded (hey! It could happen!), but isn't atheism simply a lack of belief in ANY supreme being/supreme creator? They aren't organized, with a set of standard beliefs, and a commonality that other religions experience. About all that can be said is "I don't believe in a supreme being...even life-force" (wicca and druidism are still religions, even if they don't believe in a supreme being...as far as I know...even the church of Satan is an organized religion), then what more can be said? Unfortunately, I am woefully under-educated in these fields. I am not, by any means, negating ones right to be athiest, and express their views plainly, I just don't think this is the right place for it. This is a group designed to educate those willing to learn about other world religions.
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kimmm6 wrote:

Perhaps I'm being narrow-minded (hey! It could happen!), but isn't atheism simply a lack of belief in ANY supreme being/supreme creator? They aren't organized, with a set of standard beliefs, and a commonality that other religions experience. About all that can be said is "I don't believe in a supreme being...even life-force" (wicca and druidism are still religions, even if they don't believe in a supreme being...as far as I know...even the church of Satan is an organized religion), then what more can be said? Unfortunately, I am woefully under-educated in these fields. I am not, by any means, negating ones right to be athiest, and express their views plainly, I just don't think this is the right place for it. This is a group designed to educate those willing to learn about other world religions.


Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair-color. Atheism is not a philosophy or an organized movement. Atheism is not a belief but rather the lack there of. Religion doesn’t require a belief in divinity. A religion can just be a “life-way” or “philosophy” built on beliefs. This is why most people who claim to be atheist are wrong. For example, let’s take Magnus-a very religious nihilist.

While at first that sounds like an oxymoron, if you inspect it closer you find that Antireligion is still a religion. Kind of like how a negative charge is still a charge, even if it destroys a positive charge. Nihilists believe that religion and traditional morality are worthless and evil, the bane of society-and they act accordingly. Thus, they’re letting a belief, and opinion, guide their life.

Which brings us to what Mauz is saying. Things aren’t just black, white or grey. I think of it like a steak. You can have a steak very rare, rare, medium rare, medium, medium-well done, well done, or burnt to a crisp.

While in life there -are- certain things that are black and white, religion isn’t one of them. An atheist can still be an atheist with religious beliefs just like a Christian can still be a Christian and sin. You understand?

Basically an atheist disbelieves, an agnostic does not believe (is ambivalent, doesn’t have an opinion,) an a religious person believes. However, these things overlap. An agnostic, for example, might believe that there is a higher power, but they wouldn’t remain uncertain on the character of God and thus not let organized religious beliefs-such as “petty” moralities govern their life.

An agnostic atheist (medium-rare steak) might say, "Hey, I may be wrong...but, I don't think there's a God." They believe there is a chance that God might exist, but they don't believe he does. For example, I believe that there is a chance that if I flip a coin five times right now all five times it will land on heads. However, I don't believe that will happen. In fact I suspect it wont.
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@magnus: ._. I hate reading .txt ebooks.

The Critique of Practical Reason ( I recommend you download the large print PDF version)
http://manybooks.net/titles/kantimmaetext04ikcpr10.html
Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion
http://manybooks.net/titles/humedavidetext03dlgnr10.html
An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
http://manybooks.net/titles/humedavidetext068echu10.html

*You can also read them online without downloading anything. The 'Read online' link is at the right side of the page
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The Blackwell Guide to the Philosophy of Religion
The Blackwell Guide to the Philosophy of Religion features fourteen new essays written by some of the most prominent philosophers working in the field. Provides a comprehensive treatment of the major problems in the philosophy of religion. Surveys the field and presents distinctive arguments.

http://rapidshare.com/files/106164735/---well_Guide_to_the_Philosophy_of..._.rar
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