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Zack, Cloud... Everyone talks too much about FF7 altogether, there are better characters than them... but then again, you guy's will probably press on that FF7 was the best ever without giving me proper evidence to support your claims...


Of course, there are better characters then Cloud or Zack. Aeris, Tifa, Cid, Yuffie, Vincent, Red XIII, Barret are all cooler then Cloud, haha. Oh yeah, can't forget Sephiroth and Fat Chocobo.

Old man Tellah, Dragoon Knight Kain, Summoner Rydia, Karate Master Yang.

Terra, Cyan, Shadow, Sabin, Celes, Strago, Relm, Mog, Gogo, Umaro, Kefka, Ultros, Leo.

Squall, Laguna, Selphie, Irvine, Kiros, Ward, Ellone.

Vivi, Steiner, Amarant, Quina, Eiko, Kuja, Tantalus, Beatrix, all 'em Black Mages.

Lulu, Wakka, Auron, Rikku.

Okay, I like these characters; some maybe better then Cloud and some may not be.

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My reasons for why VII is the best game ever:

1st:*image that didn't show up*
2nd: Everybody went crazy when Aeris died.
3rd: American WEAPONS
4th: Awesome gameplay
5th: Awesome storyline
6th: Something new; "It is the first installment to use 3D computer graphics, featuring fully rendered characters on pre-rendered backgrounds."
7th: Crazy ass villian
8th: Knights of Round (materia and summon)
9th: Limit break attacks (looks, etc.)


You just let out a cluster fuck of random characters alot of them aren't even playable or even that much useful >.>

Let's continue with your personal list.
My reasons for why VII is the best game ever:

1st:*image that didn't show up* <Yeah... i'm not gonna check that out.
2nd: Everybody went crazy when Aeris died. <Alot of people freak out when characters die, i freaked out when general leo did.
3rd: American WEAPONS <Machine guns were inspired by Chinese design
4th: Awesome gameplay
5th: Awesome storyline
6th: Something new; "It is the first installment to use 3D computer graphics, featuring fully rendered characters on pre-rendered backgrounds." < you only found this out when you looked at the wiki that anyone could edit.
7th: Crazy ass villian <not to mention incompetent management of said villain.
8th: Knights of Round (materia and summon) <Knights of the Round or Crusader was in final fantasy 6
9th: Limit break attacks (looks, etc.) <Limit breaks or desperation attacks were existant in 6 also, however, they only appeared during critical condition.

Despite your long copy & paste argument, you still fail to show me how FF7 is superior to each and every other final fantasy if you were looking to play the graphics card, you should play vagrant story, you're mind will be blown away by the stunning graphics and cut scenes if you find FF7 is "Teh shitz fo' realz dawg".

When it comes down to it, it wasn't really anything special but a flag ship on a new system.
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Tracy_almazar09 wrote:

Zack, Cloud... Everyone talks too much about FF7 altogether, there are better characters than them... but then again, you guy's will probably press on that FF7 was the best ever without giving me proper evidence to support your claims...


Legacy
Final Fantasy VII is regarded as one of the most influential titles in the history of video games. It is credited with allowing console RPGs to find a place in markets outside Japan, and remains arguably the most popular title in the Final Fantasy series.[8][9] In January 2005, it was selected by Electronic Gaming Monthly as 6th on their list of "the 10 most important games … that helped redefine the industry since … 1989". Citing its "beautiful cut-scenes and a deep, introspective narrative", they claimed that "Square’s game was … the first RPG to surpass, instead of copy, movie-like storytelling."[104] As well, in late 2007, Dengeki PlayStation named Final Fantasy VII as the best story, best RPG, and best overall game in their retrospective awards feature about the original PlayStation.[105]

The game's popularity and open-ended nature also led the director and writer to establish a plot-related connection between Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy X, another popular Final Fantasy title.[71] It has also inspired an unofficial version for the Nintendo Famicom by Chinese company Shenzhen Nanjing Technology.[106] This port features the entire Final Fantasy VII game, sans a number of side quests, scaled back to 2D.[106]

The game's legacy includes the acceptance and standard inclusion of full motion video sequences in RPGs, as well as significant advancement in computer graphics. These developments would allow series creator Hironobu Sakaguchi to begin production of the first Final Fantasy film, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within.[107] The game also introduced settings dominantly suffused with modern-to-advanced technology into the Final Fantasy series, a theme continued by Final Fantasy VIII and The Spirits Within.[18][19][108] Rereleases of Square games in Japan with bonus features would occur frequently after the release of Final Fantasy VII International. Later titles that would receive this treatment include Final Fantasy X,[109] Final Fantasy X-2,[110] Kingdom Hearts (as "Final Mix"),[111] Kingdom Hearts II (as "Final Mix+"),[112] and Final Fantasy XII International Zodiac Job System.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII

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Tracy_almazar09 wrote:


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Tracy_almazar09 wrote:

Zack, Cloud... Everyone talks too much about FF7 altogether, there are better characters than them... but then again, you guy's will probably press on that FF7 was the best ever without giving me proper evidence to support your claims...


Of course, there are better characters then Cloud or Zack. Aeris, Tifa, Cid, Yuffie, Vincent, Red XIII, Barret are all cooler then Cloud, haha. Oh yeah, can't forget Sephiroth and Fat Chocobo.

Old man Tellah, Dragoon Knight Kain, Summoner Rydia, Karate Master Yang.

Terra, Cyan, Shadow, Sabin, Celes, Strago, Relm, Mog, Gogo, Umaro, Kefka, Ultros, Leo.

Squall, Laguna, Selphie, Irvine, Kiros, Ward, Ellone.

Vivi, Steiner, Amarant, Quina, Eiko, Kuja, Tantalus, Beatrix, all 'em Black Mages.

Lulu, Wakka, Auron, Rikku.

Okay, I like these characters; some maybe better then Cloud and some may not be.


You just let out a cluster fuck of random characters alot of them aren't even playable or even that much useful >.>



Here's this first part:

Characters from VII:
Aeris, she was just dang pretty; I see her as the “girl that got away” (4th Character)
Tifa, she kicked butt with her hand-to-hand combat techniques, and she has some big “lungs” (3rd Character)
Cid, “This's gonna be a big splash. Hold on to your drawers, an' don't piss in 'em!!” (9th Character)
Yuffie, she’s just funny, and she looked hot in AC, especially when she was fighting Bahamut SIN (6th [Secret] Character)
Vincent, same fight (8th Character)
Red XIII, dude just looked cool, haha (5th Character)
Barret, haha, dude just had a certain way of talking (2nd Character)
Cloud was 1st and Cait Sith was 7th
You just can’t play Sephiroth and Fat Chocobo
Oh yeah, here’s ‘em quotes: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII

Characters from II (IV):
Tellah, dude was powerful, except that he never gains anymore MP after he remembers all his spells (4th)
Kain, dragoons are just cool, and he was cool enough to have his lance “featured” in IX (2nd)
Rydia, she starts off weak, but when she grows up, she can learn all black magic, even Meteo (4th Character you see, but you get her third)
Yang, dude was weak, or weaker, but then dude’s got a pretty cool “Kick” (7th)

Characters from III (VI):
Terra, she’s the “main character”, she’s actually stronger then I thought she was (1st)
Cyan, dude’s got some awesome SwdTech (6th or 7th, I believe)
Shadow, dude’s a ninja and he has a dog, that can do some major damage later! (5th, I believe)
Sabin, Bum Rush (4th)
Celes, she’s dang pretty and I like her character; the way she is (6th or 7th)
Strago, Blue Mage (9th)
Relm, little girl that’s an super good artist (10th)
Mog, moogles are always cool, and this dude can kill the Intangir in 1 hit! (12ish)
Gogo, Mime, and he/she can do the Bum Rush (14)
Umaro, dude’s a Yeti, haha! (13)
Kefka, cool-ish villain, and someone stated that he actually accomplished what he set out to do, unlike most bad guys (Not Playable)
Ultros, crazy octopus, fun to kill with Blitz (Another NPC)
Leo, dude’s bad-a.. general, dude’s also got the Offering equipped, just think how good your party will be if you had him (Only playable in the battle against Kefka in Thamasa)

Characters from VIII:
Squall, dude’s got the first Gunblade and cool limit breaks (1st)
Laguna, dude’s funny (Only playable in the “Dream Squence”; 6th Character you play)
Selphie, she’s pretty and funny, also got some awesome limit breaks—if you can get the right ones (4th)
Irvine, dude’s looks cool and dude’s got a nice gun (5th)
Kiros, dude’s smart and good fighter; good limit break (7th, “Dream Sequence)
Ward, dude throws a harpoon, haha (8th, see above)
Ellone, she’s also pretty (NPC)

Characters from IX:
Vivi, dude’s hecka powerful! (2nd)
Steiner , dude’s a bit weird, but loyal, and learns some cool attacks later (3rd)
Amarant, dude looks cool and dude’s got the Chakra ability (8th)
Quina, he/she can kill enemies and learn their abilities (5th)
Eiko , summoner, Terra Homing was awesome, and she’s got whole bunches of little moogles (7th)
Kuja, dude’s powerful when he “tranced” and dude used Ultima like it was nothing (NPC)
Tantalus, dude was a crazy leader and dude looked weird, haha (NPC)
Beatrix, this woman is dang hecka crazy! She’s hecka powerful! She’s hot too! (Only playable when rescuing Garnet from her mother in Alexandria)
Black Mages, they were all cool because they were nothing more then puppets, at first , and then tried to make the most with what they had left to live (NPCs)

Characters from X:
Lulu, she’s powerful, if you can get the right ability, but even so she’s powerful enough without it because she’s got all her black magic, including Ultima (5th or 6th, depending on if you count her or Khimari first)
Wakka, dude just had a crazy way of laughing and nice limit breaks (4th)
Auron, dude’s looked cool and dude was powerful (2nd)
Rikku, she’s hot and so is Tara Strong; she creates new items, which is awesome, (3rd)
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Posted 4/27/08

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noobkoo wrote:


Tracy_almazar09 wrote:

Zack, Cloud... Everyone talks too much about FF7 altogether, there are better characters than them... but then again, you guy's will probably press on that FF7 was the best ever without giving me proper evidence to support your claims...


My reasons for why VII is the best game ever:

1st:*image that didn't show up*
2nd: Everybody went crazy when Aeris died.
3rd: American WEAPONS
4th: Awesome gameplay
5th: Awesome storyline
6th: Something new; "It is the first installment to use 3D computer graphics, featuring fully rendered characters on pre-rendered backgrounds."
7th: Crazy ass villian
8th: Knights of Round (materia and summon)
9th: Limit break attacks (looks, etc.)


Let's continue with your personal list.
My reasons for why VII is the best game ever:

1st:*image that didn't show up* <Yeah... i'm not gonna check that out.
2nd: Everybody went crazy when Aeris died. <Alot of people freak out when characters die, i freaked out when general leo did.
3rd: American WEAPONS <Machine guns were inspired by Chinese design
4th: Awesome gameplay
5th: Awesome storyline
6th: Something new; "It is the first installment to use 3D computer graphics, featuring fully rendered characters on pre-rendered backgrounds." < you only found this out when you looked at the wiki that anyone could edit.
7th: Crazy ass villian <not to mention incompetent management of said villain.
8th: Knights of Round (materia and summon) <Knights of the Round or Crusader was in final fantasy 6
9th: Limit break attacks (looks, etc.) <Limit breaks or desperation attacks were existant in 6 also, however, they only appeared during critical condition.

Despite your long copy & paste argument, you still fail to show me how FF7 is superior to each and every other final fantasy if you were looking to play the graphics card, you should play vagrant story, you're mind will be blown away by the stunning graphics and cut scenes if you find FF7 is "Teh shitz fo' realz dawg".

When it comes down to it, it wasn't really anything special but a flag ship on a new system.


Oh, sorry 'bout that, here:

3rd: If you don't know what I meant by "American WEAPONS" then you must not have played the whole game through and you must have never looked through the strategy guide once. And, now, I'm not talking about machine guns! Also, remember that VII was release in Japan before it came to the US.
6th: If you played video games at the time that VII came out--September of '97--or even before it, then you would know about what I pasted there.
7th: Haha, I agree with that.
8th: I guess, in a way, they were the same, but then KoR did a whole lot more damage then Crusaders, and it wasn't a "double-edged sword"
9th: Now that you mention it, I remember that happening a few times.

That maybe true, but then that's not 'til 3 years later. The way I see it, it's because of VII that games such as Vagrant Story are the way they are.
I have played Vagrant Story; graphics may be good, but then I didn't like the gameplay. I didn't even get out of the first dungeon and then I gave up on it.
If you're wanting to talking about graphics in games; Legend of Dragoon came out the month after Vagrant Story, but then it had some awesome graphics.

Question here: have you ever played Final Fantasy VII?

Oh yeah, I like to point out that because this game was so dang good, there was a movie that went along with it and then it had a prequel to it also.
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yeah, i loved it when i was playing it, but it got bland after i got out of midgar, it's not a point of hate, it's that i favor it the least, it's the fact that everyone and their retarded cousins eat it up as if it were milk of the poppy.

it wasn't that good, the only reason that there was a movie was because of the overwhelming new fan base because of it's release.

Every white kid i ever knew growing up didn't know anything about RPG, they were always talking about KI or Mortal combat or mario/sonic.

It was kinda lonely >.>
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kinda makes you wonder how shinra got far enough to build a city...

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T.T why!!!!!!!! Did he have to die?!!!!


I know what you mean! Gosh...it's really heart wrenching knowing that he died and Aeris didn't know about it! ARGH!


i finsh playing final fnatasy crisis core the ending was soooo sad and if cloud wasnt sooo weak and helpless he would have had a chance to live...he had to carry cloud all over the place b/c he was weak. And cisnei (one of the characters) never got a chance to tell him her real name


Also he couldn't go back and visit Aerith even though he promised her he'll come back to see her. Cloud why did you have to be so zoned out during that time? ARGH! Well glad you liked the game though. I really like Zack because I think he's cooler than Cloud.


hell yea zack is hot as hell........*sob* it feels like a part of me is missing ever since i finished playin the game (idk why o.O) dont you feel that, when youve been watching a anime for a long time or playing a game and then you suddenly finished it it make me really sad -_- o well another game is coming bt only for ps3


Yeah! I definitely know how you feel. I mean after finishing Crisis Core and seeing Zack die a part of me also died along with Zack. Same thing happened when Aerith died. Well at least the important thing is that we will sill remember him. What game is coming out for the ps3?
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KawaiiGrl wrote:


yagami87 wrote:


KawaiiGrl wrote:


yagami87 wrote:


Mina-chan4 wrote:

T.T why!!!!!!!! Did he have to die?!!!!


I know what you mean! Gosh...it's really heart wrenching knowing that he died and Aeris didn't know about it! ARGH!


i finsh playing final fnatasy crisis core the ending was soooo sad and if cloud wasnt sooo weak and helpless he would have had a chance to live...he had to carry cloud all over the place b/c he was weak. And cisnei (one of the characters) never got a chance to tell him her real name


Also he couldn't go back and visit Aerith even though he promised her he'll come back to see her. Cloud why did you have to be so zoned out during that time? ARGH! Well glad you liked the game though. I really like Zack because I think he's cooler than Cloud.


hell yea zack is hot as hell........*sob* it feels like a part of me is missing ever since i finished playin the game (idk why o.O) dont you feel that, when youve been watching a anime for a long time or playing a game and then you suddenly finished it it make me really sad -_- o well another game is coming bt only for ps3


Yeah! I definitely know how you feel. I mean after finishing Crisis Core and seeing Zack die a part of me also died along with Zack. Same thing happened when Aerith died. Well at least the important thing is that we will sill remember him. What game is coming out for the ps3?


ooooo wait i think i got mixed up with final fantasy and kingdom of hearts my bad.....but theres a kingdom of hearts game coming out but its about next year
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yagami87 wrote:


KawaiiGrl wrote:


yagami87 wrote:


KawaiiGrl wrote:


yagami87 wrote:


Mina-chan4 wrote:

T.T why!!!!!!!! Did he have to die?!!!!


I know what you mean! Gosh...it's really heart wrenching knowing that he died and Aeris didn't know about it! ARGH!


i finsh playing final fnatasy crisis core the ending was soooo sad and if cloud wasnt sooo weak and helpless he would have had a chance to live...he had to carry cloud all over the place b/c he was weak. And cisnei (one of the characters) never got a chance to tell him her real name


Also he couldn't go back and visit Aerith even though he promised her he'll come back to see her. Cloud why did you have to be so zoned out during that time? ARGH! Well glad you liked the game though. I really like Zack because I think he's cooler than Cloud.


hell yea zack is hot as hell........*sob* it feels like a part of me is missing ever since i finished playin the game (idk why o.O) dont you feel that, when youve been watching a anime for a long time or playing a game and then you suddenly finished it it make me really sad -_- o well another game is coming bt only for ps3


Yeah! I definitely know how you feel. I mean after finishing Crisis Core and seeing Zack die a part of me also died along with Zack. Same thing happened when Aerith died. Well at least the important thing is that we will sill remember him. What game is coming out for the ps3?


ooooo wait i think i got mixed up with final fantasy and kingdom of hearts my bad.....but theres a kingdom of hearts game coming out but its about next year


Oh. Lol, you had me all excited about what this new FF game was. Oh well.
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yeah, i loved it when i was playing it, but it got bland after i got out of midgar, it's not a point of hate, it's that i favor it the least, it's the fact that everyone and their retarded cousins eat it up as if it were milk of the poppy.

it wasn't that good, the only reason that there was a movie was because of the overwhelming new fan base because of it's release.

Every white kid i ever knew growing up didn't know anything about RPG, they were always talking about KI or Mortal combat or mario/sonic.

It was kinda lonely >.>


I guess everybody's different.
I think that it's still one of the best games ever made though, if not the best.

Haha, that's because they're white and they're not exposed to the whole "Asian wave" thing; though I loved KI and MK and also Street Fighter; many times, we played these games for days.
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he got shot by 3 persons any 1 went infront with a gun aimed onto his face BOOM he went,, heaven...
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Alright guys! I know we've all seen Advent Children and have all played FF VII, but now these days it's all about Cloud this and Cloud that. Now I'm not trying to say that Cloud sucks, but I think there is one guy that deserves to be in the spotlight more than Cloud. His name has not been uttered and because of that, it goes unappreciated. Because of him...well Cloud wouldn't be the Cloud we have all grown to love and respect. Yes you guys all know who I'm talking about. It is none other than....

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Where did you get the last pic. the pic where he's dying.... i need it... hehehe...
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yagami87 wrote:

Alright guys! I know we've all seen Advent Children and have all played FF VII, but now these days it's all about Cloud this and Cloud that. Now I'm not trying to say that Cloud sucks, but I think there is one guy that deserves to be in the spotlight more than Cloud. His name has not been uttered and because of that, it goes unappreciated. Because of him...well Cloud wouldn't be the Cloud we have all grown to love and respect. Yes you guys all know who I'm talking about. It is none other than....

First Class Soldier
Zack





Where did you get the last pic. the pic where he's dying.... i need it... hehehe...


to tell you the truth, I really have no idea. I was just looking around and I happened to find it, but if you need it I could just give it to you. so sad...
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Ah,Zack Fair
Sad,but all men gotta die.

As for the argument above,i don't even wanna join in the fiasco.
But sitting back and watch you boys debate really makes my day.
Posted 5/27/08
I was so sad when Zack died!
In my opinion, Zack is WAY hotter than Cloud
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