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Throughout history, war has been a brutal concept that has devastated most all ancient races. Most kings were cruel, very little were kind. Though war is such a bloody game, the world develops around it. Borders are formed by wars in the past (and possibly the present.)

Prominent languages spoken in a country are not usually the original language of the land but rather the language of people who colonized (and took over) there. South and North America for example. The Portuguese and Spanish languages didn’t exist in South America before. They came after. North America is only now an English speaking land. Before that it was French. Before that, aboriginal. With languages come the customs, culture and the technology of whoever took over- which is usually more advanced than what was there before.

The world takes leaps after great wars. The last world war sent us into the information age spawning the very computer you're typing on today. Wars sometimes open up relationships between countries. The US has the tendency to win wars and then pick up and brush off who lost, making them future trading partners (I am not from the US- I have no bias.) Japan for example. There are a lot of good things war has done for the world- sure its a disgusting practice but it is in desperation that we as people make the greatest contributions to society.

There have been genocides, rape, slaughtering of the innocent throughout history and all these things were attached to war. However, this one time, I would like to know what good you think came of war?

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War has given us the greatest medical upgrades more so than any charity fund you could ever cook up.
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Telomonian wrote:

War has given us the greatest medical upgrades more so than any charity fund you could ever cook up.


personally, I believe in the whole medical conspiracy. The notion that most diseases have indeed been cured but the cures aren’t being released due to the financial hit the pharmaceutical companies would take. Technology is too good nowadays and I cant believe that they aren’t cured.

They say there was a case in Sweden where they were testing a new cancer treatment. Suffice it to say that it had a very promising cure rate. It has yet to be released to the public.

This also would explain why medicine takes such advances during war. In war time every person of the country becomes invaluable. They cant afford diseases.
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i don't like wars
they are the most stupidist thing man came up with
i believe people can get along
sure arguments will come at times
but war is goin over bord
and yeah your right about the US
sadly i was born hear and live hear to
but my parents came from colombia
so i have more Colombian blood than american and proud of it
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I realy can't see any good things that war brought...i lived one and i don't want to see any war again...i had enough wars for my life! Because of that i don't like America, but that doesnt mean that i hate ppl who live there, just ppl who bombard my country!
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First,this place is called the art of war.Why are you here?

Secondly,GZ_anime-manga if you're born in america,your american.you just have columbian blood, there is no more or less when is comes to things of such.I was born in america as well but,in my blood im about 60% german.This doesn't make me more german than american because I was born and raised here.The same as you.

Thirdly,Ivona I get the feeling you've seen people get killed,possibly friends and or reletives,as have many of us;and were not even in wars.Ivona you have got to open you eyes and be honest,good things do occur because of war.

Keep your eyes on this post for a while and you'll see,we already have some posted in case you did't read the rest of the posts.
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Yes i saw how ppl die. And sorry but still i can't say that war bring something good! And yea i read everything!

Why i'm in this group? B/c this is not group just about war, i like history, martial arts and Japan...
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GZ_anime-manga wrote:

i don't like wars
they are the most stupidist thing man came up with
i believe people can get along
sure arguments will come at times
but war is goin over bord
and yeah your right about the US
sadly i was born hear and live hear to
but my parents came from colombia
so i have more Colombian blood than american and proud of it



Ivona wrote:

I realy can't see any good things that war brought...i lived one and i don't want to see any war again...i had enough wars for my life! Because of that i don't like America, but that doesnt mean that i hate ppl who live there, just ppl who bombard my country!


I completely agree. War is a disgusting practice. However, every cloud has its silver lining. Oh and by the way, even though I'm not a big fan of the United states- I really didn’t insult them there so...

The war that you've gone through Ivona, no good has come of it, that is true. And I believe most war is bad. Usually, more is lost than is gained, but the world is old. There have been many wars. And the larger wars always make technologies take leaps and bounds.


Telomonian wrote:

First,this place is called the art of war.Why are you here?

Secondly,GZ_anime-manga if you're born in america,your american.you just have columbian blood, there is no more or less when is comes to things of such.I was born in america as well but,in my blood im about 60% german.This doesn't make me more german than american because I was born and raised here.The same as you.

Thirdly,Ivona I get the feeling you've seen people get killed,possibly friends and or reletives,as have many of us;and were not even in wars.Ivona you have got to open you eyes and be honest,good things do occur because of war.

Keep your eyes on this post for a while and you'll see,we already have some posted in case you did't read the rest of the posts.


Well its natural to hate war. "The art of war" and "war" are two different things. The art of war is related to weapons, tactics, skills, history. War is circumstance, carnage, killing, spending, etc., etc. How something is done and what is done (and its after affect) are not the same thing, so a person can be interested in the art of war and not war itself.

Secondly I agree. If you're born in a country- that is your country. However, you are what your parent taught you. If you're raised with the customs, culture and religion of your parent country- then I believe its safe to say that you do belong to that country as much if not more than the one you live in. Not as a citizen or allegiance, but as a person in this new, and mixing world of ours. The US is seen as the melting pot. To be a US citizen you have to put being a US citizen over everything else. That’s how the US functions. I don't believe in that. I’m not saying its a bad system, its just not one I like. that is all.

Thirdly, you cant compare crime to war. Good has come from war, but not all war. She cant see the good because there was no good that came from hers. Most of the wars in our current day and age don’t bring any good. Its the older ones, further back in history that did. The world wars being the most prominent.

I'm not arguing, I'm just stating my opinion. A little friendly debate is encouraged so if you do plan on replying, do it with a cool head, because I don’t mean any harm, neither should you. Just thought I should reiterate the rules just this once.
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GZ_anime-manga wrote:

i don't like wars
they are the most stupidist thing man came up with
i believe people can get along
sure arguments will come at times
but war is goin over bord
and yeah your right about the US
sadly i was born hear and live hear to
but my parents came from colombia
so i have more Colombian blood than american and proud of it
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Okay so someone taking up arms and fighting to free themselves of foreign tyranny is stupid?

To judge a situation or an action one must first look at the motive or reason it took place and the outcome. You cannot judge an action alone without these two factors.
Most people say "Killing is bad" no matter what. Well that is rooted in great ignorance.


For example:
Action: Killing a person.
Motive: To prevent that person from killing overs.
Outcome: Killing that person thus saved hundreds others from death.
Is that stupid? Is it bad or evil? Or is it good?
I don't think it's any of those. I do not thing it is good but I do think it is right.

So if you cannot look at those additional factors, don't presume to call something good or bad or right or wrong as an action alone has no such connotations.

On the same line, if there was a war and there was 125 casualties in that war yet the outcome was that a cure for cancer was found and it had saved billions, was it good or bad?

To say war is pointless and stupid is the same as saying that all the trillions of soldiers throughout history who have fought for freedom, life, and what they believe in had all died for naught.

If your country was at the hands of great tyranny would you not take up arms against it to protect your family's lives? I guess not since war is stupid and pointless to you.
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Thirdly, you cant compare crime to war. -Macedonian


Really,do you honestly belive that Macedonian?
I'm not talking about some stressed out middle aged drunk that hates his job and shot his wife for not doing the laundry.

Gang wars, turf wars,and internal conflicts such as sect. rivalry.Through much time and thought I have realized that there is little difference in civil war and things of such.African tribes cleansing other tribes,families being slaughtered because they're related to a gangster.The numbers of dead may be different but,the reason behind these things of such remain the same.There are more things in common to your thought of Crime and to War.Don't just study the big wars,observe the small ones that that carry names such as:Conflict,Police action,and Aggressions etc.
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Yea maybe for you that is war b/c you don't know what real war is! Ask ppl from Iraq and Afghanistan! But you not pray every single night that some bomb wont fall on your head and you pray that you survive just this night. Thats enemy you can't see, he is coward and atack you from air. And you say it's the same?
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Yea maybe for you that is war b/c you don't know what real war is! Ask ppl from Iraq and Afghanistan! But you not pray every single night that some bomb wont fall on your head and you pray that you survive just this night. Thats enemy you can't see, he is coward and atack you from air. And you say it's the same?


I am not sure who you are replying to as you didn't quote anyone, but I will reply in case it was me you were replying to.

Thats a whole different kind of situation.

I know what real war is. My grandfather fought in WW2 and Korea.

I have a friend in the army who met his best friend, who is an Iraqi, over there. He came back to America with my friend and he's a great guy. I think he is sure glad that he doesn't have to worry about being randomly picked for torture or execution by a demented and sociopathic mass murderer.

I am not saying I agree with the war. I do agree Sadam should be put down. I don't think that it is necessarily up to America do do it, but if no one else was going to.

I believe countries should be left to their own devices and if two countries are warring that they should be left to do it as long as it does not effect anyone else. However if there is a force of tyranny that involves more that just one country in it's wake of destruction, then it is up to those who have power to balance that equation and to end such tyranny.

The decision to war is a tough one. By warring with someone you must judge whether the majority will be saved by your actions or if the majority will be killed by your actions and you must always strive to exact your judgment upon those who are your opponents alone. Collateral damage happens when idiots with no strategic knowledge jump in and plan an attack.

Bombing from the skies can be cowardice but it can also save many lives by ending the enemy quickly and saving the lives of soldiers and civilians equally.

War is ugly no matter how you look at it, but it always can serve good or evil or anywhere in between.
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I said that to Telomonian b/c he said that crime and war are the same.

But yea you are right....other countrys shouldn't involves with problems other countrys, they should watch their own problems....and America have alot problems...so they have to take care of their ppl.

They bombard my country, my town from air...and only who died in my town are civilians...not army...and many ppl die who didn't do anything, so many children die...for what...and from enemy who never saw their faces...never saw their tears...b/c of what? And what that bring...something good?....any war in 20th century was for nothing...many ppl die for nothing...my granny somehow stay alive during WW2 but her family was killed...but why she is alive if her grandkids will see the same things that she saw.....

I like history and i read alot, i know history of my country realy good so i know what war bring in 19th century to my people, to country - freedom! But still many ppl die on both side...only b/c one stupid king wanted land that is not his....


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I said that to Telomonian b/c he said that crime and war are the same.

But yea you are right....other countrys shouldn't involves with problems other countrys, they should watch their own problems....and America have alot problems...so they have to take care of their ppl.

They bombard my country, my town from air...and only who died in my town are civilians...not army...and many ppl die who didn't do anything, so many children die...for what...and from enemy who never saw their faces...never saw their tears...b/c of what? And what that bring...something good?....any war in 20th century was for nothing...many ppl die for nothing...my granny somehow stay alive during WW2 but her family was killed...but why she is alive if her grandkids will see the same things that she saw.....

I like history and i read alot, i know history of my country realy good so i know what war bring in 19th century to my people, to country - freedom! But still many ppl die on both side...only b/c one stupid king wanted land that is not his....





War is necessary sometimes, but wars like Vietnam and Afghan-Soviet and that stuff, I don't see the point... So many soldiers and civilians die for greed. It makes my blood boil.

Most of you know I am Native American by census and I am proud to be American. America is beautiful and I love nature. However America is just land. It is a place. The people who run the politics I am not always proud of. Many Americans despise presidents for involving themselves in war.

Bombing a civilian town is unforgivable and those who had ordered such an attack should be brought to justice at the hands of those they wronged. If I could know who was to blame I would bring him to your people and have you each enact your justice slowly and painfully.


However I do disagree and would say that America's involvement in WW2 was a just decision for a few reasons.

1. We were not involved until Pearl Harbor. We bombed Japan (which I would not have advocated) and helped them rebuild. Now Japanese have great respect for General McArthur even though the Americans label him a Glory Hound and dislike him.
2. Nazi Germany threatened the world with their ideals and practices. Such things were horrific and I would have stepped in early.

My grandfather recounts when he was on the march up from southern France heading to the fire zone, the French were cheering them on and brought presents out to the soldiers. Every were he was stationed, people were grateful for they knew that without the involvement, the Germans would have grown far too powerful and all of Europe would be under the Nazi tyranny.


If War is for Freedom, it is just.
If War is for Greed, it is horrific.
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