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"Freedom is not a gift nor does it simply exist for us to have, but rather it is a sacred duty, and its blessed yield of hope is born from none other than the blood of the innocent."
Bryant H. McGill

"The only hero's are those lucky few who have fallen into the vanguard of death on the battlefield."
Col. J.B. Kirksey
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Posted 9/20/08 , edited 9/21/08

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#2 There's a consensus for this.

#3 Soldiers do their job. It doesn't make 'em heroes.

#4 I'm sure the marines that raped those women were under orders.

#5 I didn't think people thought they were warm.


alright, the number thing sounds kinda condescending so I'm just gonna post normally...

http://media.www.dailytargum.com/media/storage/paper168/news/2005/03/25/Opinions/Why-Soldiers.Fight.For.Us-902719.shtml

I think that about sums up what I'm trying to say.


I once talked to a group of solidiers before, and I asked them this question. Their answer was akin to the one I said there. The war monger isn't all that common. Some people do get messed up after war though, and thats understandable. So I may not have used the right phrase there, I should have put "I think" or something there. Sorry.

A job is what you do to make money, feed your kids, support your household, etc, etc. You don't have to risk your life. You don't have to die while on the job. It may be their job, but the fact they chose that line of work says something. Risking your own life to save others makes you a hero in my books. But I may just be different

Could you tell me a little more about that marines story? I'm Interested.

And you're right, warm isn't the right word. I believe human fits better.
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I agree with Telo. A buddy of mine who's a cop once said "Cops aren't heroes. Heroes are those who risk everything to gain nothing." Thus there are no such thing as career heroes [Soldiers, Firemen, Cops, Doctors, etc.]

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what's yours is yours and what's mine is mine. I do consider people who give/risk their lives to protect to be heroes. I don't think a human life is is worth any salery that they could give. As far as I'm concerned Compared to life, they are virtually gaining nothing. The ones that come out alive are the lucky ones. I don't consider doctors heroes.

This is more a matter of opinion than something to debate about. You either agree or disagree. There is an equal amount of backing for either arguement so it seems kind of futile... This might make an interesting forum topic though...
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature, and has no chance of being free unless made or kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."------ John Stuart Mill

"The hero is one who kindles a great light in the world, who sets up blazing torches in the dark streets of life for men to see by. The saint is the man who walks through the dark paths of the world, himself a light."---- Felix Alder
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Posted 9/22/08 , edited 9/22/08

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what's yours is yours and what's mine is mine. I do consider people who give/risk their lives to protect to be heroes. I don't think a human life is is worth any salery that they could give. As far as I'm concerned Compared to life, they are virtually gaining nothing. The ones that come out alive are the lucky ones. I don't consider doctors heroes.

This is more a matter of opinion than something to debate about. You either agree or disagree. There is an equal amount of backing for either arguement so it seems kind of futile... This might make an interesting forum topic though...


Well I doubt you could deny it would be a matter of intention.

Why is someone saving someone?
At what cost?
And with what conclusion?

You can look at it that way; with open eyes.

Or you can look at it like it's black or white; with closed eyes.

Giving the previous; if you're job is to save people, you might not even give a damn about who you are saving. Where's the nobility in that? Or maybe another cop, who truly does care about humanity, guns down an innocent man in a moment of decision thinking he has saved another man's life. He ends up a murderer. Who is the just one? Which of these two are the hero then? They must surely be both in your eyes.

If you judge actions for the actions themselves, you can never hope to carry a fair and wise judgment and never see beyond what is right in front of your eyes.


You considered anyone who risks their lives to save another's a hero.
Yet you do not consider doctors heroes.
Doesn't that contradict itself?
Do not many doctors risk their livelihood in that if any mistake may go wrong they will be sued for malpractice and all those years and all that money of getting their medical degree will disappear?
Do not doctors risk their own health, exposing themselves to potentially contagious hosts who could carry nothing but raw pathogens?

Those are just two more extreme cases. Then you have to look at the more constant many little risks that could end up to the end of their lives.

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to be a hero or not to be a hero? i think that's the way these things sound .....sometimes u can become a hero without even wanting that .sometimes is all about the circumstances and also let's not forget that things are really relative ....a man can a be a hero for u/for a nation /his family and so on .....but for the others he can be Death incarnated or the greatest enemy, so we can't judge things in black and white , there are also many shades of grey this idea of "hero" is as relative as other philosophical notion like "freedom", "good", "evil"but i think also Ice is excelentlly right when giving those exemples of the doctors who risks their life ......also even a dog can be considered a hero........and i am not sarcastic. as long as we are human the idea of an ideal hero is out of the question!
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also personally i think a hero is the person who can accept the hardships of life with just a big simle......well beleive that's a real hero
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Right on, Marjan.
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to be a hero or not to be a hero? i think that's the way these things sound .....sometimes u can become a hero without even wanting that .sometimes is all about the circumstances and also let's not forget that things are really relative ....a man can a be a hero for u/for a nation /his family and so on .....but for the others he can be Death incarnated or the greatest enemy, so we can't judge things in black and white , there are also many shades of grey this idea of "hero" is as relative as other philosophical notion like "freedom", "good", "evil"but i think also Ice is excelentlly right when giving those exemples of the doctors who risks their life ......also even a dog can be considered a hero........and i am not sarcastic. as long as we are human the idea of an ideal hero is out of the question!


I think there is all kinds of hero's including doctors, fireman, dogs ect. My dog Agamemnon was a hero to me when I was little because she protected me from our neighbors dog that attacked me in our own backyard. I think that anyone who dies for there country is a hero. I think that an average person can be a hero for just saying the right word to someone in need to get their life back on track. A hero to me is anyone that does a selfless act with out the expectation of a reward or recognition. But like you said it's all relative.
Posted 9/24/08

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marjan007 wrote:

to be a hero or not to be a hero? i think that's the way these things sound .....sometimes u can become a hero without even wanting that .sometimes is all about the circumstances and also let's not forget that things are really relative ....a man can a be a hero for u/for a nation /his family and so on .....but for the others he can be Death incarnated or the greatest enemy, so we can't judge things in black and white , there are also many shades of grey this idea of "hero" is as relative as other philosophical notion like "freedom", "good", "evil"but i think also Ice is excelentlly right when giving those exemples of the doctors who risks their life ......also even a dog can be considered a hero........and i am not sarcastic. as long as we are human the idea of an ideal hero is out of the question!


I think there is all kinds of hero's including doctors, fireman, dogs ect. My dog Agamemnon was a hero to me when I was little because she protected me from our neighbors dog that attacked me in our own backyard. I think that anyone who dies for there country is a hero. I think that an average person can be a hero for just saying the right word to someone in need to get their life back on track. A hero to me is anyone that does a selfless act with out the expectation of a reward or recognition. But like you said it's all relative.


I pretty much agree with Silverfizz....although I think that a hero is someone willing to protect someone regardless of what happens to them....but as has been stated before it's all relative really....
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i feel like giving Ivona a hug


i think that for as long as people have these barriers(below) we will never be able to obtain peace, though we can still move forward, just slowly and ethnically. Like for example alot of the things we know about the human body came from the Holocaust, as disgusting as it is, it was necessary for us to live the way we do now
so here are the barriers that need to be broken
Language-might be the easiest though deciding an international language is gonna be a pain in the neck (like someone crushing it with a pillar pain)
Race- has to be one of the more harder ones just because even now we still have alot of racial issues. Either keep the things (racist stuff) to your self or write angry letters and not send them
Religion- the hardest one in my eyes, alot of wars have all had religion involved in them especially the older ones. Even though its ok to follow a religion( im Hindu), don't try and convert people, really isnt blind devotion against most teachings? Even then i think we should leave religion COMPLETELY out of politics and science
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Wars help reduce the population. If there were no wars, there would be way too many people by now and not enough resources to sustain them. There would also be far fewer animal species since we would drive them all to extinction.

In their own way, wars are NECESSARY. I don't think war is bad. After all, we humans are the ones messing up the planet, aren't we?
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Wars help reduce the population. If there were no wars, there would be way too many people by now and not enough resources to sustain them. There would also be far fewer animal species since we would drive them all to extinction.

In their own way, wars are NECESSARY. I don't think war is bad. After all, we humans are the ones messing up the planet, aren't we?


I like that perspective.
I don't think wars are bad at all but they sure aren't good.
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Morbidhanson wrote:

Wars help reduce the population. If there were no wars, there would be way too many people by now and not enough resources to sustain them. There would also be far fewer animal species since we would drive them all to extinction.

In their own way, wars are NECESSARY. I don't think war is bad. After all, we humans are the ones messing up the planet, aren't we?


I like that perspective.
I don't think wars are bad at all but they sure aren't good.


You need to make up your mind.
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