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Posted 3/28/08
Rape, slaugher, taxation, torture, genocide- this was the true face of war in those days (and in some places, these days too). There have been thousands of villains thhrouout the course of history- I would like to know which one you think would literally be rotting in the deepest darkest place in hell.

I dont really know who would be the worst but I can tell you about some prime baddies.

Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus the fifth and final Roman emperor was apparently a tyrant (still up for debate) and had his own mother killed ( he did many things but I could go for pages).

Ghengis Khan and the Mongol rulers that followed were aparently really bad. They exterminated entire cities.Some estimate that they were responsible for the deaths of anything up to 100 million people most say about 60 million though. Keep in mind- at a time when the total worldwide population would have been about 400 million.

Vlad the impaler (draculas inspiration) was apparently pretty bad too. Impaled people for fun and nailed hats to their heads. Some say this is propaganda though and its still up for debate...

So, who do you think was bad?
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I'm glad to see great diversity in the content of this group.

Was it Nero or Caligula who had Rome burnt or was blamed for it? I forget.

Caligula was a nasty one too.

Tadanaga Suruga no Kami, a Shinpan and daimyo of Suruga was either the brother or cousin (I can't remember.) of Tokugawa Iemitsu.
He was known to be a vile and disgusting man. He even killed a retainer among other rumored disreputable exploits. He was eventualled sentenced to commit seppuku by Iemitsu I believe.
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I think it was caligula. I dont completely remember- It was a long time ago that I read this stuff. Nero was famous for his cruelty to christians from what I remember. However, as we're in a christian dominated scociety- It is likely that, that is a point they want to use.

That 666 thing that evangelical people believe in could actually (if you believe in that sort of thing) be traced back to Nero. The numerical values of his whole name add up to 666.

Many emporers in the orient had quirks, but they weren't quite so drastic. They might be disgusting as people or vulger- but they ususally didnt commit the mass murders that some others did. Its to my understanding that Emporer chin killed a good number of people (not massive) but he was under the influence of murcury (effects your mind). He thought if he ate it, he would gain special powers or somthing along those lines. He was eventually deemed insane by the inner family and killed. I havent read anything for a while on the chinese...

absolute power corrupts absolutely it would seem...
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I knew about the numerical code and all. However I though it was actually 616 rather than 666.

Some guy ATE quicksilver?!?! I'd figure it would be fatal. That's insane!

Absolute power is tempting. Though not always does it corrupt. Just most of the time it seems.
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Theres like 4 versions of Nero's name- One of them probably adds up to 666. I've read it somewhere. However, one should only believe half of what he reads and none of what he hears so I might be wrong.

Yup, emperor Chin, the first emperor of china used to dip something in quick silver and occationally eat it. The ironic thing is, he was the precursor to the chinese empire- he's the reason why it started to become so strong. He must have had some sort of crazy ambition to build an empire so strong at the brink of insanity. They say that when his grave was young, there was a river of mercury running along with it. The murcury has long since sunken into the ground and scientists actually think that legend was true. They found residue or something of the mercury and lots of it.
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Sorry guys but that was Nero who burnd Rome and he wasn't last ruler! Fall of the Roman empire and execution of the final emperor Romulus Augustus that was 476!

What you people know about Ottoman Empire? My country was 5 century within that Empire (I'm from Serbia)! In that time was lived Vlad Tepes - Dracula! As prince, Vlad maintained an independent policy in relation to the Ottoman Empire, and in Romania he is viewed by many as a prince with a deep sense of justice and a defender of Wallachia against Ottoman expansionism. Today name Dracula means "The Devil" in Romanian language, but in Vlad time his name was meant "The Dragon"!

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I can elaborate on that. Before I had ever even seen/read/understood the play; Dracula, I was enthralled with the historical figure. My uncle, who is a historian himself, is acquintances with Radu Florescu, one of the foremost authorities on the subject. He told me stories when I was young and I was intrigued by them.

Dracul meant dragon, Dracula meant Son of Dragon.

Why? Because the Order of The Dragon, the order that Sigismund, the King of Hungary and Holy Roman Emperor, founded to repel "the heathens of the east" as they would say.

The symbolism derives from St George, representing a Holy Warrior who slew the dragon (which represented at the time the enemy who threatened Christianity.)

Vladislav III Basarab, otherwise known as Vlad III Drakulae, Kaziglu Bey, or his post-morten title "Tsepes," was an intriquing character. He was a voivode, more akin to a Duke or Governor than a Prince, of Wallachia. Many found him to be a just yet strict man, but foreigners still tell horrendous legends of torture at the hands of a man in the likeness of the devil himself.

I found him to be a patriot above all.
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so it was Nero, okay...thank you :)

a lot of Vlads quirks are considered propaganda by his enemies. It is very possible that he didn't do any of the things they said he did. However, many people with too much power do end up exhibiting some wierd behavior and since there isnt much proof (i think), it could go either way. It is completely arguable.

Lots of good information on this forum, I'm happy.

We got a third person to post! Yay!
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Exactly. There's not really consequential evidence supporting either one. I'm sure they have base in truth, but it's most likely to be exaggerated.
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Hmmm...people what you know about Yekaterina (Catherine) II Alekseyevna of Russia, called the Great???

They says that she was killing everyone of her lovers, when she finish with them, they are throw from cliff! But she was one of great ruler!
Posted 5/6/08
i'd have to say Nobunaga Oda of japans sengoku era

he was said to be ruthless and showed no mercy to his enemies and also he ruled part of japan with an iron fist


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mate Ghengis Khan the mongols were the most ruthless of them all they had the largest empire the world had ever seen and they anihilate everything they conquer and that got in their way basicly anything STANDING! was destroyed all those other rulers were nothing compared to the mongols when it comes to ruthlessness and tactics.
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mate Ghengis Khan the mongols were the most ruthless of them all they had the largest empire the world had ever seen and they anihilate everything they conquer and that got in their way basicly anything STANDING! was destroyed all those other rulers were nothing compared to the mongols when it comes to ruthlessness and tactics.


The Mongolians were very ruthless as you say, however they did not destroy anything they conquered. They gave all conquered or surrendered nations a choice; Join us or die. However this would prove to be a very generous method as anyone who joined was allowed to still rule their own country but must provide service in war.

Religions were free to whoever chose them, and the government was based on a meritocracy in where any one who worked hard and proved themselves would be the ones to advance to nobility.

In a since their ruthlessness was eminent however it was balanced by great fairness.
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Cruel? How about the Spanish during the time of the Inquisitions? They were methodical and ruthless with taking over from within with religion as a claimed motivation, when gold was the true driving force. They nearly took over the world! (also masters of psychological fear a nd torture!)
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