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ShakuShogan wrote:


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But Gonzo approves of Crunchyroll!
Stopping fansubs will drop receptiveness to anime in non-Japanese countries.


Gonzo is trying to promote itself through crunchyroll, which, is not a bad idea. You are their target audience so they want to promote it to you, the anime fan. If they had nothing to gain and just did it for free, it wouldn't be called business. As far as stopping fansubs and dropping receptiveness, i think thats just a comment made out of ignorance. How many people got turned on to anime through cartoon network? Point proven...


Stop and think for a moment. Without the prevalence of fansubs, would anime be on CN in the first place? Oh... Wait...
No, they wouldn't... Maybe except Pokemon or something.
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well, if they could kill the raw distribution, then they think they can kill the fansub industry. i can only imagine the future of the fansub groups that buys dvds then sub them for the fans.

in theory, at least the japanese people will get what they need in order for them to progress. they can't stop it but it could stop those greedy pirates. (no offence) :sweatingbullets:

my opinion: its on the bothways. we're kinda at fault too. but to the picture, that was messed up! we took all the blame for it. but we haven't sold anything.
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skiboydoggy wrote:


ShakuShogan wrote:


skiboydoggy wrote:

But Gonzo approves of Crunchyroll!
Stopping fansubs will drop receptiveness to anime in non-Japanese countries.


Gonzo is trying to promote itself through crunchyroll, which, is not a bad idea. You are their target audience so they want to promote it to you, the anime fan. If they had nothing to gain and just did it for free, it wouldn't be called business. As far as stopping fansubs and dropping receptiveness, i think thats just a comment made out of ignorance. How many people got turned on to anime through cartoon network? Point proven...


Stop and think for a moment. Without the prevalence of fansubs, would anime be on CN in the first place? Oh... Wait...
No, they wouldn't... Maybe except Pokemon or something.


If thats the case then you can blame fansubs for making what is now Mainstream anime in america. You can blame fansubs for making things "popular" and in turn make the big conglomerates want to purchase rights to sell to the masses for jacked up prices. All in all fansubs is copyright infringment and just because the show comes from another country doesn't mean that the rules don't apply. Just face it DBZ was probably one of those animes that turned you on to anime, and who brought it to you? Cartoon Network... It wasn't the fansubs that sparked the whole licensing bit. The fact that DBZ was so popular to begin with was reason enough for a company to purchase rights to distribute and SELL it to you.

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Posted 3/29/08

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its not like anyones selling the fan subs


crunchyroll is


*blink* *blink* ....i didnt know that ><


Users have to pay money in order to access the higher quality fansubs. That would be considered selling fansubs.

mmm.... but....isnt that also for the bandwidth, not only because of the high quality fansubs
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Are they stupid or something one of the main reason why anime is so popular in the US is because of Fan-sub.. fans of that anime do the fan sub..try stopping a anime FAN stupid idea..but of course when it gets license ill support it
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it's ok for Japanese bec. they can understand that.
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I well never stop watchin' it! @__@ The japanese should have dubbed it in english in the first place, Now most people in japan know english--- a they speek it too!
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Posted 3/29/08

ShakuShogan wrote:

If thats the case then you can blame fansubs for making what is now Mainstream anime in america. You can blame fansubs for making things "popular" and in turn make the big conglomerates want to purchase rights to sell to the masses for jacked up prices. All in all fansubs is copyright infringment and just because the show comes from another country doesn't mean that the rules don't apply. Just face it DBZ was probably one of those animes that turned you on to anime, and who brought it to you? Cartoon Network... It wasn't the fansubs that sparked the whole licensing bit. The fact that DBZ was so popular to begin with was reason enough for a company to purchase rights to distribute and SELL it to you.


Actually, I only truly recognised anime as a separate entity from other animated television shows a few years back, when they were on an Arts channel, and believe it or not, they were Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop in original Japanese with subs. I don't blame fansubs for making mainstream anime in America, I blame the Japanese audience for liking some stupid anime like Naruto so much and distributing it like madmen.

Sure, it may be copyright infringement, but it is a necessary evil if anime is to survive outside of Japan. Think about the popularity of 00 model kits that were out even before Gundam 00 was licensed. How do the corporations choose what anime to license in the first place? It is a combination of response in Japan and response in their native countries. How does the latter response come about? Through fansubs naturally.

But I don't intend to argue about this, so I'm just going to leave it at that.
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well, if they could kill the raw distribution, then they think they can kill the fansub industry. i can only imagine the future of the fansub groups that buys dvds then sub them for the fans.

in theory, at least the japanese people will get what they need in order for them to progress. they can't stop it but it could stop those greedy pirates. (no offence) :sweatingbullets:

my opinion: its on the bothways. we're kinda at fault too. but to the picture, that was messed up! we took all the blame for it. but we haven't sold anything.



Agreed. There's always the copyright and royalties problem but can someone translate what was all the stuff in Jap. I can only read Stop Fansubtitle and the chinese/kanji? version basically asking for people to refrain fansubbing, watching stream and downloading. Mentioned 3 anime artist and government organisations gg to have a conference who are going to discuss of this problem of piracy..
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skiboydoggy wrote:


ShakuShogan wrote:

If thats the case then you can blame fansubs for making what is now Mainstream anime in america. You can blame fansubs for making things "popular" and in turn make the big conglomerates want to purchase rights to sell to the masses for jacked up prices. All in all fansubs is copyright infringment and just because the show comes from another country doesn't mean that the rules don't apply. Just face it DBZ was probably one of those animes that turned you on to anime, and who brought it to you? Cartoon Network... It wasn't the fansubs that sparked the whole licensing bit. The fact that DBZ was so popular to begin with was reason enough for a company to purchase rights to distribute and SELL it to you.


Actually, I only truly recognised anime as a separate entity from other animated television shows a few years back, when they were on an Arts channel, and believe it or not, they were Inuyasha and Cowboy Bebop in original Japanese with subs. I don't blame fansubs for making mainstream anime in America, I blame the Japanese audience for liking some stupid anime like Naruto so much and distributing it like madmen.

Sure, it may be copyright infringement, but it is a necessary evil if anime is to survive outside of Japan. Think about the popularity of 00 model kits that were out even before Gundam 00 was licensed. How do the corporations choose what anime to license in the first place? It is a combination of response in Japan and response in their native countries. How does the latter response come about? Through fansubs naturally.

But I don't intend to argue about this, so I'm just going to leave it at that.


How do they choose? The answer to that is simple... Whatever makes money. Gundam always had a loyal fanbase. I am just putting my thoughts out here that fansubs may be convenient but with so many fansubs around who's going to want to PAY to watch anime, when the attitude is that they can just search around and find it somewhere to download. The ROOT problem is not how popular something is in Japan, its how Licensors want to CAPITALIZE off of it, here or elsewhere. Everyone just wants to jump on the bandwagon and make some money. Don't get me wrong, I am not looking to argue with you, I also do not agree on Licensors repackaging something that is already good and selling it for ridiculous prices when the craze is at its peak. but the rights to distribute part, I can understand.
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Posted 3/29/08

serafuku wrote:


Penguinworld wrote:


serafuku wrote:


Penguinworld wrote:

its not like anyones selling the fan subs


crunchyroll is


*blink* *blink* ....i didnt know that ><


Users have to pay money in order to access the higher quality fansubs. That would be considered selling fansubs.


I thought that quality was free now... The only thing Crunchyroll supporters get now is a badge... I think.

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Ahh.. here is were Shinji anounced it, http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-128737/High-Quality-for-everyone-D.html#8102931
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u no for fucks sakes they watch North american and European shows subbed

when i ,miss an ep of my non anime shows, i always find it has japanese and chinese subs
so fuch u hypocrits
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I think I saw the word piracy there. "Piracy is something like people ripping products and selling them for thier own gain." The fact is, "Fansubs dont get nothing from it". Why would they choose to stop fansubs not thinking that it also serves as an endorsement for thier animes'. In my opinion, they might think that, if fansubs would stop, people will stop downloading animes'. I think not. People would still download raws. (Here comes the issue of banning file sharers though.) <.<

And btw if this would be pass on I think I'd just download raws (if its still possible), learn Japanese and I'll sub them myself. I'll sell them too if I have the time to burn cds. ^^v now thats piracy.~
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Posted 3/29/08

serafuku wrote:


Penguinworld wrote:


serafuku wrote:


Penguinworld wrote:

its not like anyones selling the fan subs”

crunchyroll is”

*blink* *blink* ....i didnt know that ><”

Users have to pay money in order to access the higher quality fansubs. That would be considered selling fansubs. ”

well i think there should be free anime no anime should be licesenced what if anime fan subs are taken away then you have to buy dvds and it a really crappy anime with a good cover
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