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Tiananmen Square protests of 1989
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Compare what happened with the Soviet Union when it released all controls all of a sudden. China did the right thing, even embracing captialism must be done slowly or it will only cause chaos.

Now whether it was too heavy handed is another discussion altogether
Posted 4/1/08
The Chinese government did the right thing by killing hundreds (possibly thousands) of protesters and injuring thousands more? I don't think so.
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Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08

um2456 wrote:

there asses got pwn by there own goverment i support there goverment it't that right chirman mao zedong



Mao Died in 1976, long before the Tiananmen Square massacre.

Anyway, in my humble opinion it was a slaughter, sending tanks to a protest is an overreaction to say the least.

Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08
Mao Zedong wasn't in office during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

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Nanban beat me to it.
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Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08

SupaFighta wrote:

Mao Zedong wasn't in office during the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

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Nanban beat me to it.



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Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08
I personally think it was justified. Deng Xiaoping was doing a good job of bringing China back to it's feet after the failures of Mao. The protestors, if i'm not wrong, consisted mostly of educated students who wanted a say in the government.
Seriously, Deng was doing his best to improve the livelihood of people in China, and had to deal with the students who wanted power in the way China was governed. I mean, compared to the life under Mao, and the manchurians, i think life for them was kind of easy. But they just have to ask for more.
And i think he didn't want young people to have power maybe becoz he thought that it was possible that maoism still existed in some education centers.(Cultural Revolution, 1966)

Well, my history isn't that strong, so my points my not be entirely correct. =x(someone help me confirm pls~)
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Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08
I think it was atrocious. Those innocent people were expressing their voice against an oppressive government. They had a passion for their nation and they wanted it to be free and not as controlling. The government has NO right to KILL innocent people for SPEAKING up what they believe. It's human rights violations, and it was murder.
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Posted 4/1/08 , edited 4/21/08
All I know is website in China is ban from searching about this.

And most protested were students in University.

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the_glob wrote:

Compare what happened with the Soviet Union when it released all controls all of a sudden. China did the right thing, even embracing captialism must be done slowly or it will only cause chaos.

Now whether it was too heavy handed is another discussion altogether


I agree too. If the students managed to spread their ideas to more people, China would have ended up chaotic.

Take this for an example: Let's say there's a bird that's been living under your care for all its life, and you suddenly decide to set it free, so it'll have more freedom. Most likely, the bird won't be able to survive on its own.

Same with the Chinese people. For 5000 years, they have been living under a single ruler, and then the Communists, which control the whole country. If you suddenly give them complete freedom like we do in the West, well..you saw what happened to the USSR.

Even now, the Chinese Government is opening up, but corruption comes with the extended freedom people have gain. The Chinese have been brought up with a 'every man for himself' (not to be sexist) ideal, so it takes time to change those old traditions. It's like trying to teach an old dog new tricks, which takes a long time.

Give China some time people, because 5000 years worth of ideals, traditions, and beliefs aren't going to change in a few years.

I agree that the Chinese government sending tanks there were a bit overreacting, but they needed the protests to stop ASAP, and the protesters themselves were violent. Plus, they blocked the busiest part of Beijing, which became a hassle for people to go to work. Higene (sorry, forgot how to spell), I heard, was becoming a huge problem too, so the government needed to take quick action.
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Posted 4/5/08 , edited 4/21/08
Actually, the real conflict between the protest and massacre, (if you'd call it that, seriously, people today slap words onto events that are totally undeserving) was between 2 political figures at the time.

Mao was initially planning to pass on the leadership of China onto his elder son, however his elder son died due to a bomb during the Vietnam war. So Mao was forced to pass it onto someone else, but who? He decided to pass it to someone who had no ideas of their own, and would only follow his teachings.

However this new chairman was too docile and did almost nothing, so Deng Xiaoping stepped in and took over command from him. Now Deng wasn't as rigid as Mao, he was willing to let the people slowly have some sort of freedoms.

Eventually Deng grew old, and before he died, he decided to have someone else take over, but was still secretly controlling the important things in the background. (note: this is very important, because this marked a significant change in the inheritence of leadership in China. These events, from Mao to Deng, signified two things. 1. Change of leadership is no longer father to son. and 2. You can pass on your power before you die.)

This new guy he appointed to be chairman was even more open than Deng, he wanted the people of China to have a lot more freedom, and Deng did not agree. So Deng put him under house-arrest eventually and stripped him of any actual power. THIS was the real reason behind the 6/4 protest. It was also Deng who approved of the order to send in tanks.

Although Deng had set many good precedents to the Chinese government, he also made some mistakes. That is rather obvious seeing as no one is perfect.

Now, a response to Taelin's post. Freedom doesn't cause corruption, it's a tightnit government that causes corruption. When government officials band together too much and do not argue (due to no freedom of speech), that's when major corruption occurs.
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Posted 4/5/08 , edited 4/21/08

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i dun caer about china, they suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! japanese thigs are wayyyyyyyyyy better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Could you kindly remove your idiocy from the extended discussion section? Thanks
Posted 4/5/08 , edited 4/21/08

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samurai_2008 wrote:

i dun caer about china, they suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! japanese thigs are wayyyyyyyyyy better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Could you kindly remove your idiocy from the extended discussion section? Thanks


who cares abut chinaaa??????????????????????///// they dont eevn make anime and good doramasss!!!!!!

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samurai_2008 wrote:


excalion wrote:


samurai_2008 wrote:

i dun caer about china, they suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! japanese thigs are wayyyyyyyyyy better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Could you kindly remove your idiocy from the extended discussion section? Thanks


who cares abut chinaaa??????????????????????///// they dont eevn make anime and good doramasss!!!!!!



Who cares about China? lol
How about more people than everyone in your entire country?

Now my real question is, why the hell would you come in an extended discussions section thread on politics and mindlessly bash on, not the politics we're discussing, but the country itself?

On another note, why why why do foreigners ALWAYS put a billion punctuation marks in everything they type. What exactly is the point of that?
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Now, a response to Taelin's post. Freedom doesn't cause corruption, it's a tightnit government that causes corruption. When government officials band together too much and do not argue (due to no freedom of speech), that's when major corruption occurs.


Yes, but if the officials will have more reasons to get away with their corruption in a freer society than in a society that has the governing power looking over your shoulder everywhere you go.

With more freedom comes more responsibilities. The majority of the Chinese people aren't ready for that kind of responsibility yet. It's like telling a teenager they can do whatever they want, whether it'd be drinking, smoking, driving..etc.
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Posted 4/5/08 , edited 4/21/08
I have a mixed feelings of sorts about this. The gov't sending troops, in a way, has its justifications. After all, the protesting numbers were growing exponentially and, if anything, riots could ensue so I could what they could've been getting at. Thats just my opinion though. I mean, the potentially increasing numbers could give way to thought of overriding the governemnt.

But the martial law declared was overdone. The protesters weren't particularly doing anything of excessively violent nature, and they even agreed to avoid any violence if possible, yet tanks were sent in to impede a liberal movement. Honestly now. You're trying to control your people, not obliterate them into smithereens.

I have always thought to myself "Never bring a gun to a protest, shit will happen", but personally I see why this is controversial
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