Dang, what the heck are the parents of those kids teaching their children?

> Why would it ever be an option?

Think on it this way: does it make sense that the punishment for yelling at your little brother, stealing a candy bar, and setting a cat on fire are all the same. You can't set a limit on punishment because you can't set a limit on infractions.

> Do you have any idea what the experts' opinion is on this subject?

I believe that experts are often wrong, especially in the soft sciences.



I have friends and family with some great kids. Even so, every once in a while a kid will be so cranky, or sleepy or just plain ornery that they will not listen to reason, and will get in sort of a "defiance zone" and just keep escalating. At that point a little swat and a stern talking to can achieve what patience and education cannot. I don't think that damages the kid, it just takes them out of their emotional storm long enough to start thinking again.

Why do you think you can't set a limit on a punishment?

You do not have a right to call experts wrong if you are not an expert yourself, so go be ignorant somewhere else.

What I'm saying is that soft sciences lack enough rigor to have proper experts.

No, they definitely qualify as proper experts because they have learned all of the existing body of knowledge on the subject, so their opinions should be thought of as the truth until they are refined or proven wrong by hard scientific evidence. You have no right to dismiss their opinion until you are an accredited expert yourself and have the knowledge necessary to formulate a different opinion.

They have learnt cant and and opinion. Their body of knowledge is not subject to proof by logic or evidence gathered by experimentation. It's a belief in how things ought to be, informed by wishful thinking and emotion.

Sorry, the people you speak of are not accredited experts in the field. The knowledge that academics' possess consist of the best proof by logic or evidence.

The kids need therapy and they seems like socipaths

Kids need therapy perhaps... parents likely to need it more. I would say that kids don't tend to come to these conclusions unless somehow the idea is okay at home. That, and the teacher must have been a pain in the ass. It's normal to have certain students in a class to not like a particular teacher.. perhaps always on the person's case because they're never doing their homework or what not. But to have that many students from a class to react that way, stuff must have gone down to reach that breaking point. In normal classrooms, you'd think that other students would have totally made a huge fuss about it and defended the teacher.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125548136491383915.html

You obviously need mental help if you think free will needs adjusting. With you spouting nonsense like that off I see you are completely unreasonable and based on your other posts afterwards you are just a sheep who will blindly follow what all of these "experts" find. With experts being proven wrong countless times one should always question their findings and realize that they aren't 100% proof and that there are always other variables to account for.

As for why the laws were implemented. Haven't you ever considered the possibility that it is because the society we live in today has shifted over to this politically correct bullshit where everything has to look good regardless of whether or not it actually works? We put numerous systems in place because they make us look better overall but most of the time they are massively flawed and don't work in the long term but we continue using them because they still do their job of keeping up a good appearance.



Sometimes those consequences aren't enough for some children, you know.

Please don't bring up a 2009 article when more research has been done on the subject and the experts still insist that spanking a child is improper behavior. You have no right to dismiss the opinions of experts when you are not an expert yourself and have no evidence to prove them wrong, so please stop posting if you are just going to be ignorant.

The article I posted talks about all the research that was discussed in your article and all the flaws with the research that was done. If you think it's irrelevant just because it is 3-4 years old then you are showing just how ignorant you really are. Not to mention the pure and simple FACT that I do have the right to dismiss and disagree with the "experts" OPINIONS. Their research was flawed and has not proven anything. Just blindly follow peoples opinions because they are supposed "experts" who haven't proven anything themselves? That's insane. Were you one of the last holdouts to still think the earth was flat?

No, it was written before that article came out, making it moot. Don't believe anything written in that article as fact when there are more recent articles on the subject.

And no, you don't have the right to disagree with an experts opinion when you are not an expert yourself, so stop being ignorant. Until you have hard evidence showing how the research is flawed (which your article did not contain, it just stated how the research might be harder to interpret than previously thought) and has not proven anything, you have no right to dismiss it.

Sorry bro, I didn't realize just how badly the school systems failed you when it comes to the most basic of concepts. Let me mail you my dictionary so you can understand the difference between fact and opinion. I don't trust your ability to navigate to an online dictionary. You would probably end up at urban dictionary.
Since you want people to be mindless drones who just accept everything a person in a lab coat says I have determined from this point on you are no longer worthy of being noticed by me. So with that I will go enjoy my freedom and disagree with all the opinions I want to and you can have fun in your make believe world.

World,
get your shit together.