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Why do you like watching or reading hentai???
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The_8th_Sin wrote:
But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Actually porn helps your health. It helps you release stress, burn some energy and calories, and on the side it helps deal with pent up sexual frustration, which keeps rape and things of the sort down.

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The_8th_Sin wrote:
But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Actually porn helps your health. It helps you release stress, burn some energy and calories, and on the side it helps deal with pent up sexual frustration, which keeps rape and things of the sort down.



Just to clarify, you didn't think that I disagreed with you, right?
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NorthHawk wrote:

Hm, I'm a bit surprised at the legal to underage ratio talking about how much they like hentai. That is to say, it's only been underage people (or people whose ages I can't see) who say they actively view hentai. That's kind of... illegal. :mellow:


Well, obviously. Anyway, plenty of things are illegal, no need to pick out one in particular. I don't know if it's the same for other places, but where I live it's against the law to swear in public. Do you really expect people to follow that? Not to mention, the age limits on watching porn are not the same kind of laws as other things, there isn't any punishment for it, though there is a punishment for intentionally distributing to minors, that's a different thing entirely. And, to top it all off, this isn't even technically porn, noone's actually having sex, they're just drawings.


Well, honestly, you don't get to decide what is and isn't porn, and hentai is labeled by US law as pornography, so tough luck there. And dumb laws exist everywhere, ranging from requiring horses to wear pants when in town to prohibiting sex with porcupines (quite seriously), but the pornography issue is something else entirely - nation-wide, and actually enforced, you know. And you know? Just 'cause it's crazy hard to crack down on minors who do it, doesn't really change the fact that you're breaking the law. Most sites give you that thing that says "Only proceed if you're 18+", right? That's 'cause it becomes your fault for breaking the law if you proceed after that as a minor, so if you get caught, it's on you. It'd probably just be a fine on that slim off chance of actually being caught, but you really shouldn't be breaking the law to begin with.
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The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:

I'm no expert, but I find the idea of porn being illegal sounds kind of dubious. Are you certain?


It's illegal to view it when you're underage. That is, either 18 or 21, depending on your locale.


That seems extremely unconstitutional. Isn't that a violation of our rights?


Nnnnno. No more than not providing minors with alcohol or cigarettes. 'Sides, when you're a minor, your rights are limited to begin with.


But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Mental health. Porn is mentally addicting, honestly. Porn addictions aren't a prude's propaganda.
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NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:

That seems extremely unconstitutional. Isn't that a violation of our rights?


Nnnnno. No more than not providing minors with alcohol or cigarettes. 'Sides, when you're a minor, your rights are limited to begin with.


But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Mental health. Porn is mentally addicting, honestly. Porn addictions aren't a prude's propaganda.


How is porn any more addictive than regular sex. Are you campaigning against sex?
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HENTAI!!???!!!!!
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The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:

That seems extremely unconstitutional. Isn't that a violation of our rights?


Nnnnno. No more than not providing minors with alcohol or cigarettes. 'Sides, when you're a minor, your rights are limited to begin with.


But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Mental health. Porn is mentally addicting, honestly. Porn addictions aren't a prude's propaganda.


How is porn any more addictive than regular sex. Are you campaigning against sex?


I'd like to reiterate that we're talking about minors here. Don't turn it into society as a whole.
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NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:

That seems extremely unconstitutional. Isn't that a violation of our rights?


Nnnnno. No more than not providing minors with alcohol or cigarettes. 'Sides, when you're a minor, your rights are limited to begin with.


But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Mental health. Porn is mentally addicting, honestly. Porn addictions aren't a prude's propaganda.


How is porn any more addictive than regular sex. Are you campaigning against sex?


I'd like to reiterate that we're talking about minors here. Don't turn it into society as a whole.


Why can't minors have sex?
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All i have to say is....
Tentacle Rape....ftw...
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The_8th_Sin wrote:
Just to clarify, you didn't think that I disagreed with you, right?


No, no I didn't.



NorthHawk wrote:
Well, honestly, you don't get to decide what is and isn't porn, and hentai is labeled by US law as pornography, so tough luck there. And dumb laws exist everywhere, ranging from requiring horses to wear pants when in town to prohibiting sex with porcupines (quite seriously), but the pornography issue is something else entirely - nation-wide, and actually enforced, you know. And you know? Just 'cause it's crazy hard to crack down on minors who do it, doesn't really change the fact that you're breaking the law. Most sites give you that thing that says "Only proceed if you're 18+", right? That's 'cause it becomes your fault for breaking the law if you proceed after that as a minor, so if you get caught, it's on you. It'd probably just be a fine on that slim off chance of actually being caught, but you really shouldn't be breaking the law to begin with. :mellow:


Well, to be honest, I don't really care what is or isn't porn, but just to give a comparison, you wouldn't seriously consider a cartoon where the protagonist travels to the moon without any proper equipment having been a trip to the moon, or more specifically a depiction of a trip to the moon. No, that's just a bunch of drawings depicting an idea of going to the moon. But, as I said, what something is called really makes no difference on its merit. I will however accept that you may, and probably do, know more about law than me, so I will simply take your word for it that the legal system considers it a type of pornography, still I can't seem to accept that you're right either. Though it may be a law, I doubt a fine exists for it, and I doubt anyone would enforce it, even if you were caught. Seriously, if I were to head on over to any random police man, despite me being sixteen years old, and therefore underage, and tell him directly that I watch drawings displaying sexual acts, do you think that he would seriously attempt to charge me some money? Maybe he'd get irritated that I was wasting his time, and acting quite odd, but that's the most I see. A law without a punishment is more of a recommendation than anything else; if you see it as a useful thing, and you believe it should be followed, then by all means, follow it, but you shouldn't take it out on others who choose not to subject themselves to some arbitrary limitation which deals with no harms, and does not effect them if they ignore it. Sorry to sound rude, but I don't get why you would just follow any law regardless of the situation, and more so, why you would feel the need to tell others they need to follow it as well. I mean, anything could be a law, that doesn't make it right.

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The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:


NorthHawk wrote:


The_8th_Sin wrote:

That seems extremely unconstitutional. Isn't that a violation of our rights?


Nnnnno. No more than not providing minors with alcohol or cigarettes. 'Sides, when you're a minor, your rights are limited to begin with.


But providing minors with alcohol and cigarettes threatens their health. Porn doesn't do that.


Mental health. Porn is mentally addicting, honestly. Porn addictions aren't a prude's propaganda.


How is porn any more addictive than regular sex. Are you campaigning against sex?


I'd like to reiterate that we're talking about minors here. Don't turn it into society as a whole.


Why can't minors have sex?


Who said they can't? Different areas have different laws regarding the age of consent. The States tend to have the age of consent at sixteen, which are minors, and two states even go as low as thirteen, with some conditions. And really, no matter how much you question me, I'm just going to continue stating the laws as the laws are. I didn't make them, so don't blame me for any oddities. But as odd as they may be, they're still laws. No one demands you -like- the laws, just that you follow them.
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Who said they can't? Different areas have different laws regarding the age of consent. The States tend to have the age of consent at sixteen, which are minors, and two states even go as low as thirteen, with some conditions. And really, no matter how much you question me, I'm just going to continue stating the laws as the laws are. I didn't make them, so don't blame me for any oddities. But as odd as they may be, they're still laws. No one demands you -like- the laws, just that you follow them.


By the way, I'm not the least bit angry at you. I was simply annoyed at the nature of US law, so I thought I'd rant about it. I mean, come on! Why would the police waste their time upholding a law that makes no sense? If they don't, why even keep it a law?
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NorthHawk wrote:
Well, honestly, you don't get to decide what is and isn't porn, and hentai is labeled by US law as pornography, so tough luck there. And dumb laws exist everywhere, ranging from requiring horses to wear pants when in town to prohibiting sex with porcupines (quite seriously), but the pornography issue is something else entirely - nation-wide, and actually enforced, you know. And you know? Just 'cause it's crazy hard to crack down on minors who do it, doesn't really change the fact that you're breaking the law. Most sites give you that thing that says "Only proceed if you're 18+", right? That's 'cause it becomes your fault for breaking the law if you proceed after that as a minor, so if you get caught, it's on you. It'd probably just be a fine on that slim off chance of actually being caught, but you really shouldn't be breaking the law to begin with. :mellow:


Well, to be honest, I don't really care what is or isn't porn, but just to give a comparison, you wouldn't seriously consider a cartoon where the protagonist travels to the moon without any proper equipment having been a trip to the moon, or more specifically a depiction of a trip to the moon. No, that's just a bunch of drawings depicting an idea of going to the moon. But, as I said, what something is called really makes no difference on its merit. I will however accept that you may, and probably do, know more about law than me, so I will simply take your word for it that the legal system considers it a type of pornography, still I can't seem to accept that you're right either. Though it may be a law, I doubt a fine exists for it, and I doubt anyone would enforce it, even if you were caught. Seriously, if I were to head on over to any random police man, despite me being sixteen years old, and therefore underage, and tell him directly that I watch drawings displaying sexual acts, do you think that he would seriously attempt to charge me some money? Maybe he'd get irritated that I was wasting his time, and acting quite odd, but that's the most I see. A law without a punishment is more of a recommendation than anything else; if you see it as a useful thing, and you believe it should be followed, then by all means, follow it, but you shouldn't take it out on others who choose not to subject themselves to some arbitrary limitation which deals with no harms, and does not effect them if they ignore it. Sorry to sound rude, but I don't get why you would just follow any law regardless of the situation, and more so, why you would feel the need to tell others they need to follow it as well. I mean, anything could be a law, that doesn't make it right.



I'll be honest, the minor-viewing-pornography issue, it's complicated. Fining has occurred, but at the same time, it's not uncommon for it to be ignored with a roll of eyes, much like in your example. No one seems to agree on how the issue should be handled, or even if it should be handled at all. Though they -do- crack down on those who actively give pornography to minors harder, so they care about those limitations to some degree.
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because you are all t3h L0Lz
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because you are all t3h L0Lz


What in the hell [did you] mean by that?
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