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ohh i see i see. I love them bows they were also seen as cleansing items right? I don't know the actual term for it...


cleansing? i think u reffer to a sort of a religious ritual? well is more or less i mean you must treat your yumi as a human - mean9ing that you have to treat it well, show it respect and never step on it - that's a great offense! your yumi is your partner in battle so it has to be treated as that. i mean can you step on your best friend and hurt him/her with no mercy? well that it feels like when you "mistreat" a yumi ...... also about tha fact they were seen as cleanising items ...don't know what exactly to tell....there were this kind of rituals but that is more connected to shamans and shamanism. there was an old ritual of pointing the arrows to the sky in order to eliminate all the evil powers, to kill the evil spirits, but this is also a common practice for Siberian shamans not only for the Japanese shamans. also there's a legend that they used to point the arrows to the sky in order to make a ladder for the shaman to go to sky in order to have a genuine contact with superior spirits....anyway there are a lot of legends...hope i've been useful.. this one of my favourite topics ... and also Ice is right i am agreat fan of the daikyu ...that because i am a shortie


Exactly what you were talking about the shamans and stuff...That was what i was referring to by cleansing, by eliminating evil spirits XD


There is no shamanism in Japan.
However, the yumi is used in purification rituals in Onmyojutsu.



ohhh i see. cause in xxxholic, they also mentioned how katana and bows can cleanse and purify.
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


kokomousey wrote:


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kokomousey wrote:

ohh i see i see. I love them bows they were also seen as cleansing items right? I don't know the actual term for it...


cleansing? i think u reffer to a sort of a religious ritual? well is more or less i mean you must treat your yumi as a human - mean9ing that you have to treat it well, show it respect and never step on it - that's a great offense! your yumi is your partner in battle so it has to be treated as that. i mean can you step on your best friend and hurt him/her with no mercy? well that it feels like when you "mistreat" a yumi ...... also about tha fact they were seen as cleanising items ...don't know what exactly to tell....there were this kind of rituals but that is more connected to shamans and shamanism. there was an old ritual of pointing the arrows to the sky in order to eliminate all the evil powers, to kill the evil spirits, but this is also a common practice for Siberian shamans not only for the Japanese shamans. also there's a legend that they used to point the arrows to the sky in order to make a ladder for the shaman to go to sky in order to have a genuine contact with superior spirits....anyway there are a lot of legends...hope i've been useful.. this one of my favourite topics ... and also Ice is right i am agreat fan of the daikyu ...that because i am a shortie


Exactly what you were talking about the shamans and stuff...That was what i was referring to by cleansing, by eliminating evil spirits XD


There is no shamanism in Japan.
However, the yumi is used in purification rituals in Onmyojutsu.


Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else
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or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals
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and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!
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marjan007 wrote:
Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else


Well I might have been a bit too specific or technical.
Japan as a country -technically- has no shamanism.
Japan as a collection of islands -does- have shamanism. The Ryukyu islands do. However for a long time they were not part of Japan as a country.
Don't worry, you're not patronizing me. If I say something incorrect or that you feel is incorrect, you have every right to call me on it and correct me. I correct others so it is only right.
As long as one is respectful, and you have been.



marjan007 wrote:

or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals


At first glance they do seem so.
Though Onmyoji do make contact with spirits, shamanism is communication and/or guidance/divination by spirits.
Onmyojutsu avoids this. Perhaps I am being a bit too technical again.



marjan007 wrote:

and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha don't worry about it.

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marjan007 wrote:
Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else


Well I might have been a bit too specific or technical.
Japan as a country -technically- has no shamanism.
Japan as a collection of islands -does- have shamanism. The Ryukyu islands do. However for a long time they were not part of Japan as a country.
Don't worry, you're not patronizing me. If I say something incorrect or that you feel is incorrect, you have every right to call me on it and correct me. I correct others so it is only right.
As long as one is respectful, and you have been.



marjan007 wrote:

or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals


At first glance they do seem so.
Though Onmyoji do make contact with spirits, shamanism is communication and/or guidance/divination by spirits.
Onmyojutsu avoids this. Perhaps I am being a bit too technical again.



marjan007 wrote:

and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though
u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha don't worry about it.



you are not technical Ice you are just a perfectionist and i think you really fell in love with Japan and from as far as i can see this will be a love life story between you and "her". (you really fight for the things u hold precious, i think almost to selfdistruction)but now what i want to say is that of course you cannot compare the Japanese shamanism with that from Mongolia, Siberia, India or even Korea - each contry has its own vision and mentality, so technically the shaman ritual from Japan have a different pattern but inspite that their root is common - they "work" with anima! and try to have a sort of "colaboration" with these spirits, be it guidance, opposition or purification rituals..........and i really do like talking to you. you always keep my mind alert, i don't have time to GET bored.
btw i found another 2 songs that maybeeeeeee can be fit with what ur looking for (but i a not sure about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - Era with Tara Shakti Mantra and E Nomine with ...well i cannt remember also if ur on instrumental try and Mike Oakefield


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marjan007 wrote:
Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else


Well I might have been a bit too specific or technical.
Japan as a country -technically- has no shamanism.
Japan as a collection of islands -does- have shamanism. The Ryukyu islands do. However for a long time they were not part of Japan as a country.
Don't worry, you're not patronizing me. If I say something incorrect or that you feel is incorrect, you have every right to call me on it and correct me. I correct others so it is only right.
As long as one is respectful, and you have been.



marjan007 wrote:

or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals


At first glance they do seem so.
Though Onmyoji do make contact with spirits, shamanism is communication and/or guidance/divination by spirits.
Onmyojutsu avoids this. Perhaps I am being a bit too technical again.



marjan007 wrote:

and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha don't worry about it.












you are not technical Ice you are just a perfectionist and i think you really fell in love with Japan and from as far as i can see this will be a love life story between you and "her". (you really fight for the things u hold precious, i think almost to selfdistruction)but now what i want to say is that of course you cannot compare the Japanese shamanism with that from Mongolia, Siberia, India or even Korea - each contry has its own vision and mentality, so technically the shaman ritual from Japan have a different pattern but inspite that their root is common - they "work" with anima! and try to have a sort of "colaboration" with these spirits, be it guidance, opposition or purification rituals..........and i really do like talking to you. you always keep my mind alert, i don't have time to GET bored.
btw i found another 2 songs that maybeeeeeee can be fit with what ur looking for (but i a not sure about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - Era with Tara Shakti Mantra and E Nomine with ...well i cannt remember also if ur on instrumental try and Mike Oakefield






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marjan007 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


marjan007 wrote:
Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else


Well I might have been a bit too specific or technical.
Japan as a country -technically- has no shamanism.
Japan as a collection of islands -does- have shamanism. The Ryukyu islands do. However for a long time they were not part of Japan as a country.
Don't worry, you're not patronizing me. If I say something incorrect or that you feel is incorrect, you have every right to call me on it and correct me. I correct others so it is only right.
As long as one is respectful, and you have been.



marjan007 wrote:

or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals


At first glance they do seem so.
Though Onmyoji do make contact with spirits, shamanism is communication and/or guidance/divination by spirits.
Onmyojutsu avoids this. Perhaps I am being a bit too technical again.



marjan007 wrote:

and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha don't worry about it.












you are not technical Ice you are just a perfectionist and i think you really fell in love with Japan and from as far as i can see this will be a love life story between you and "her". (you really fight for the things u hold precious, i think almost to selfdistruction)but now what i want to say is that of course you cannot compare the Japanese shamanism with that from Mongolia, Siberia, India or even Korea - each contry has its own vision and mentality, so technically the shaman ritual from Japan have a different pattern but inspite that their root is common - they "work" with anima! and try to have a sort of "colaboration" with these spirits, be it guidance, opposition or purification rituals..........and i really do like talking to you. you always keep my mind alert, i don't have time to GET bored.
btw i found another 2 songs that maybeeeeeee can be fit with what ur looking for (but i a not sure about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - Era with Tara Shakti Mantra and E Nomine with ...well i cannt remember also if ur on instrumental try and Mike Oakefield










Hahaha I think you're right.

I will definitely check out those songs here in a bit. Thanks again!
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and one milion hugs for you (this is some kind of flattery i think ) have a good day now i have to go back to my projects...and i just gave up quoting because i am a total failure take care
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


marjan007 wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


marjan007 wrote:
Ice there are the so called shamans - go on a "A Dictionary of Asian Mythology" or search Encyclopedia Britannica.(and i don't patronoziong you really!) also the Omnyojitsu is a term for cleanising the spirits from a possesed body more than anything else


Well I might have been a bit too specific or technical.
Japan as a country -technically- has no shamanism.
Japan as a collection of islands -does- have shamanism. The Ryukyu islands do. However for a long time they were not part of Japan as a country.
Don't worry, you're not patronizing me. If I say something incorrect or that you feel is incorrect, you have every right to call me on it and correct me. I correct others so it is only right.
As long as one is respectful, and you have been.



marjan007 wrote:

or to be more accurate Omnyojitsu = Japanese shamanism and that's mostly specific for the Shinto rituals


At first glance they do seem so.
Though Onmyoji do make contact with spirits, shamanism is communication and/or guidance/divination by spirits.
Onmyojutsu avoids this. Perhaps I am being a bit too technical again.



marjan007 wrote:

and again i didn't quote you.......................again that stupid mistake though u explained me before what i have to do!!!!!!!!!!!


Haha don't worry about it.












you are not technical Ice you are just a perfectionist and i think you really fell in love with Japan and from as far as i can see this will be a love life story between you and "her". (you really fight for the things u hold precious, i think almost to selfdistruction)but now what i want to say is that of course you cannot compare the Japanese shamanism with that from Mongolia, Siberia, India or even Korea - each contry has its own vision and mentality, so technically the shaman ritual from Japan have a different pattern but inspite that their root is common - they "work" with anima! and try to have a sort of "colaboration" with these spirits, be it guidance, opposition or purification rituals..........and i really do like talking to you. you always keep my mind alert, i don't have time to GET bored.
btw i found another 2 songs that maybeeeeeee can be fit with what ur looking for (but i a not sure about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) - Era with Tara Shakti Mantra and E Nomine with ...well i cannt remember also if ur on instrumental try and Mike Oakefield










Hahaha I think you're right.

I will definitely check out those songs here in a bit. Thanks again!



and one milion hugs for you (this is some kind of flattery i think ) have a good day now i have to go back to my projects...and i just gave up quoting because i am a total failure take care ....but not before this it's my last attempt


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okay so we have to do a 1200 page essay comparing an exerpt of Pico della Mirandola's Oration of Dignity to Michelangelo's "Moment of mans creation", in Sistine chapel. we have to say how those two compare and how they reflect the values of the renaissance. I admit, I had so trouble. but all came to me. You wan't me to post it. lol. I'd be hella long though...
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okay so we have to do a 1200 page essay comparing an exerpt of Pico della Mirandola's Oration of Dignity to Michelangelo's "Moment of mans creation", in Sistine chapel. we have to say how those two compare and how they reflect the values of the renaissance. I admit, I had so trouble. but all came to me. You wan't me to post it. lol. I'd be hella long though...


...i think you mean word... or 12 page, not 1200 page
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okay so we have to do a 1200 page essay comparing an exerpt of Pico della Mirandola's Oration of Dignity to Michelangelo's "Moment of mans creation", in Sistine chapel. we have to say how those two compare and how they reflect the values of the renaissance. I admit, I had so trouble. but all came to me. You wan't me to post it. lol. I'd be hella long though...


...i think you mean word... or 12 page, not 1200 page :P


XD XD yeah! your so right! i wasnt thinking.
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okay so we have to do a 1200 page essay comparing an exerpt of Pico della Mirandola's Oration of Dignity to Michelangelo's "Moment of mans creation", in Sistine chapel. we have to say how those two compare and how they reflect the values of the renaissance. I admit, I had so trouble. but all came to me. You wan't me to post it. lol. I'd be hella long though...


btw have u read "AGONY AND ECSTASY" by Irving Stone...that would have helped u
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kiluanne93 wrote:

okay so we have to do a 1200 page essay comparing an exerpt of Pico della Mirandola's Oration of Dignity to Michelangelo's "Moment of mans creation", in Sistine chapel. we have to say how those two compare and how they reflect the values of the renaissance. I admit, I had so trouble. but all came to me. You wan't me to post it. lol. I'd be hella long though...


btw have u read "AGONY AND ECSTASY" by Irving Stone...that would have helped u


that probably would have helped me if I had time. I only had a day to complete it
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