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Posted 10/6/07
^ You really think so? Because I bet if you study hard enough, any student that wouldn't be able to get into a college because of their grades, would be able to get into the same colleges if they only had to take an entrance exam.
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after spending last 19 years studying...i can safely say grades mean shit.you gulp down all your textbooks and notes...study your ass out...and get 90%...simple.but that doesnt anyway mean all those who got 70% are less intelligent than those who got 90%.there can be many reason for their poor performance in the exams...health...stress...depression....lack of motivation....carelessness....etc.but that nowhere proves that they posses any less potential than those who got 90%.its a combined fault of teaching process....evaluation process....lack of understanding from parents...friends...family....and ofcourse...themselvs.the current evaluation process that is in place all ove the world is a big load of crap...it doesnt evaluate intelligence...nor potential...nor capabilities......it only evaluates how they performed in a particular exam.

but having said all that...its not gonna change anytime soon..grades will be there still for a long time unfortunately...so..better suck it up....and study as hard as you can..and get good grades..
Posted 10/6/07
^ Yea, I guess it is a pointless rant. I'll never change, so you have to make the best of it.
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lumiina wrote:

^ You really think so? Because I bet if you study hard enough, any student that wouldn't be able to get into a college because of their grades, would be able to get into the same colleges if they only had to take an entrance exam.


Sure, if you study hard enough. But that's just making your life difficult.
Why wait to study for that entrance exam when you could be getting good grades in high school? There is no point.
Besides, colleges want to accept those who can manage their time, complete given tasks and be responsible. That is, by the way, reflected by your grades.
Posted 10/6/07

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skygod333:
I don't think that at all. Grades are deceiving. Someone could pay attention and study just as much as any straight A student, but just because they get C's or even B's they don't get accepted into the same colleges? Often times the teachers that give you C's are the ones that are teaching you the most, because you're not getting your usual easy A. What about if you started out the year with D's and C's and then worked your way up to all A's. Colleges only see the GPA, not the gradual change which actually indicates that you're learning.


suck it up. it means you arent understanding our youre getting the wrong solution. part of what said as to why they matter is that they reflect if youre getting it right.
two things about that last statement of mine that you must understand:
a)"getting it"
b)"getting it right"

thats part of grades and those are crutial elements of what grades reflect. I should write a thesis paper.
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Posted 10/6/07

ambersjoy wrote:

after spending last 19 years studying...i can safely say grades mean shit.you gulp down all your textbooks and notes...study your ass out...and get 90%...simple.but that doesnt anyway mean all those who got 70% are less intelligent than those who got 90%.there can be many reason for their poor performance in the exams...health...stress...depression....lack of motivation....carelessness....etc.but that nowhere proves that they posses any less potential than those who got 90%.its a combined fault of teaching process....evaluation process....lack of understanding from parents...friends...family....and ofcourse...themselvs.the current evaluation process that is in place all ove the world is a big load of crap...it doesnt evaluate intelligence...nor potential...nor capabilities......it only evaluates how they performed in a particular exam.

but having said all that...its not gonna change anytime soon..grades will be there still for a long time unfortunately...so..better suck it up....and study as hard as you can..and get good grades..


That sounds like a person is just looking for excuses why their grades aren't as good as others. All of the reasons up there are mere excuses. Your job isn't going to care about all those things. They expect you to do the work and you have to do it. School is only prepping you for the real world. Its not suddenly going to get easy after school. Good grades shows your determination, ability to absorb the information, maybe a bit of natural talent.
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Posted 10/6/07

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lumiina wrote:

^ You really think so? Because I bet if you study hard enough, any student that wouldn't be able to get into a college because of their grades, would be able to get into the same colleges if they only had to take an entrance exam.


Besides, colleges want to accept those who can manage their time, complete given tasks and be responsible. That is, by the way, reflected by your grades.


lol...i beg to differ...i am a straight A student( well there are a few Bs here and there )....but i suck at time managemet......and am pretty irresponsible about a lot of things.. ......and...i have been to college....been to university....completed masters degree in economics...and now i am in the business school...and...i can proudly say i havnt changed a bit
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Posted 10/6/07
how much you learn is more important cuz what will you do if you dont learn anything and just get graded.?!

some teachers these days can be stupid. they can easily get along with the students manipulative tricks without knowing/realizing that they've been tricked.
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Posted 10/6/07

ambersjoy wrote:


J3ss wrote:


lumiina wrote:

^ You really think so? Because I bet if you study hard enough, any student that wouldn't be able to get into a college because of their grades, would be able to get into the same colleges if they only had to take an entrance exam.


Besides, colleges want to accept those who can manage their time, complete given tasks and be responsible. That is, by the way, reflected by your grades.


lol...i beg to differ...i am a straight A student( well there are a few Bs here and there )....but i suck at time managemet......and am pretty irresponsible about a lot of things.. ......and...i have been to college....been to university....completed masters degree in economics...and now i am in the business school...and...i can proudly say i havnt changed a bit


Yeah just means you have some talent as well. I skipped skipped a whole bit of maths coursework in high school pritty much outta pure laziness but made it up on exams. im do physics now at uni. Grades show either a talant in a particular area, a devotion to achieve your best despite not being as naturally capable as others or in most cases a bit of both.

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Posted 10/6/07

happyxix wrote:


ambersjoy wrote:

after spending last 19 years studying...i can safely say grades mean shit.you gulp down all your textbooks and notes...study your ass out...and get 90%...simple.but that doesnt anyway mean all those who got 70% are less intelligent than those who got 90%.there can be many reason for their poor performance in the exams...health...stress...depression....lack of motivation....carelessness....etc.but that nowhere proves that they posses any less potential than those who got 90%.its a combined fault of teaching process....evaluation process....lack of understanding from parents...friends...family....and ofcourse...themselvs.the current evaluation process that is in place all ove the world is a big load of crap...it doesnt evaluate intelligence...nor potential...nor capabilities......it only evaluates how they performed in a particular exam.

but having said all that...its not gonna change anytime soon..grades will be there still for a long time unfortunately...so..better suck it up....and study as hard as you can..and get good grades..


That sounds like a person is just looking for excuses why their grades aren't as good as others. All of the reasons up there are mere excuses. Your job isn't going to care about all those things. They expect you to do the work and you have to do it. School is only prepping you for the real world. Its not suddenly going to get easy after school. Good grades shows your determination, ability to absorb the information, maybe a bit of natural talent.


its not an excuse...but my experience of seeing things first hand in few of the premiere institues in the world.....heres an advice...dont accept the things the way they are just because they are the way they are....question them...and THINK....and gain some knowledge before opening that mouth of yours.....now shoooo!!
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Posted 10/6/07
imo i think what you learn is more important. getting the grades but forgetting the knowledge doesn't really help
Posted 10/6/07
I've changed my mind, grades are very important and it's good that we have them. Thankyou all for your opinions, keep them coming. Even though what you learn is very important, grades are a good way to judge what you learn.
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Posted 10/6/07
In Victoria the score that decides whether or not you get into uni is called an ENTER. It is made up of your grades for the final year of high school (ie when the student is 17 or 18). These grades are made up of both "internal" assessment (from your teacher in that subject) and a final exam in each subject, which is the same for everyone. This system doesn't work that well. I'm sure the teacher component is subjective at times. And even if the marks are only biased by a couple of percent, that can be the difference between getting into some courses or not. Also, there is not chance for a student to "come good" at the end of the year, because about 2/3 of the assessment has already been done.

When I went to school, the entry score was determined by a 3 hour exam in each subject. The exam was the same for everyone and that was the only assessment you got and it was marked centrally by strangers, with the student identified only by a number. I think it was much fairer. The external exam that applies now is set and marked in the same way, so it is just as fair, but the teacher component really stuffs things up. Teachers are more likely to give a higher grade to someone who crawls to them (whatever the term for that is nowadays) than someone who really knows the material but isn't obsequious.
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Posted 10/6/07
I think the best way is too look at EVERYTHING, grades, SATs, extracurriclars, interview, recommendations, personal essay, etc. SATs are definitely not fun but it does level the playing field a bit.. altho grades can sometimes demonstrate effort, it can also be unfair because some people manage to get all the easy teachers and therefore get higher grades, yet another person can be just as hardworking but get a really hard teacher and get lower grades...
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Posted 10/6/07

11tc wrote:


ambersjoy wrote:


J3ss wrote:


lumiina wrote:

^ You really think so? Because I bet if you study hard enough, any student that wouldn't be able to get into a college because of their grades, would be able to get into the same colleges if they only had to take an entrance exam.


Besides, colleges want to accept those who can manage their time, complete given tasks and be responsible. That is, by the way, reflected by your grades.


lol...i beg to differ...i am a straight A student( well there are a few Bs here and there )....but i suck at time managemet......and am pretty irresponsible about a lot of things.. ......and...i have been to college....been to university....completed masters degree in economics...and now i am in the business school...and...i can proudly say i havnt changed a bit


Yeah just means you have some talent as well. I skipped skipped a whole bit of maths coursework in high school pritty much outta pure laziness but made it up on exams. im do physics now at uni. Grades show either a talant in a particular area, a devotion to achieve your best despite not being as naturally capable as others or in most cases a bit of both.



lol...that happened to me quite a few times ......i am perhaps the laziest ass alive ....i would rather stay in my bed all day...and read some novel or non fiction....or watch tv....and munch on snacks ...and smoke.....than to open all those fat textbooks and notes... ....oh well...laziness rules!
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