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Posted 4/5/08
We all say, "Takumi why are you doing that?!" And some of us say, "Takumi I feel bad for you."

Takumi had a pretty messed up childhood, and sometimes if you grow up in a hostile enviroment you'll be hostile as well. And NO this doesn't include everybody.

There are times when I want to bash Takumi in the head, because he should bow down to Hatchi numerous times. But what DOES HE DO? He cheats on her.

Yeah Hatchi doesn't care. But I CARE, I think its just immoral. And Hatchi deserves better than the $h*t she's getting from Takumi.

Then again Takumi did good stuff too. He actually was the reason why Hatchi actually matured. The relationship between Takumi and Hatchi is abusive in western terms. Because spouse abuse is not just physical it could be mental too.

Tech. I wouldn't want somebody to dominate completely over my life. I get enough of that from teachers parents and bosses anyway. But someone like Hatchi actually needs guidance (not to the extreme) but yeah she does.

At the same time it's hard for me to imagine a guy like Takumi in real life. Because I wonder if a guy can be such a jerk like that at times. Still it intrigues me that just because he's there makes the manga so much more interesting.

Honestly to all you Takumi haters, what the heck would you be looking forward to in the manga? And to you Takumi lovers how can you defend someone so immoral as him?

I probably sound confusing on how I think about Takumi. But you know what? I AM confused about how I should think about him. He causes just as much as bad and good.

I know that Reira was the one who initiated the entire "thing" but Takumi STILL holds responsiblity. Because in the end or at the last chapter he caved in.

If I don't see Takumi change later on, and be a better husband to Hatchi I think I'm going to be pissed. I've been reading this thing for months, and I better get a good ending. You can't do that to people. Write a longggggg angsty story and just give them a horrible ending.

This manga is different from Parakiss. Parakiss was short and most of us didn't connect to the characters. Nana though is alot deeper in a sense. And to me a GOOD ending would be:

Takumi reforms
Takumi and Hatchi stay together
Reira commits suicide (I wish)
nana and hatchi reunites
Ren stops doing drugs (hopefully)
Shin realizes that prostitution is not a good way of making money

etc etc

I don't know about you people who seem to like bad endings, but after all this I NEED ONE HELL OF A GOOD ENDING.
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Posted 4/6/08
well shin did realize prostitution is wrong and its proven in the last chapter he's serious on changing. As for the rest of the above not sure whats going on there any more -_-. But I agree THERE BETTER BE ONE HELL OF A GOOD ENDING its like me playing a great video game and dance around saying how beautiful and awesome it is only to give me the worst possible ending and hence I'll never 4give that betrayal oh no!!!!!!!
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They say that people naturally born good but the people make them bad, does it apply to takumi’s case? or put it in this way, people are born sinner but they are capable of doing good. That’s how I see takumi he done something probably unforgivable to others but for me it was his way of living and somehow I was hoping that haci will reform takumi and change him completely that is what I’m looking forward to.

Let say, I like takumi because he’s tall, good-looking, highly intelligent, good leader, long hair etc.. that’s his assets but the thing is it happened that hachi falls for him. If I look back to the time they met I can’t help but smile. If only takumi is really that cold I probably going to hate him but when he was pissed off when hachi rejected his call I knew that he also felt something for hachi and that ren said whatever you say deep down you love her. Takumi was stunned by that revelation and that’s the reason why he took responsibility over hachi . But then why he cheats knowing that he loves her?? My opinion for this is their relationship to begin with is not strong, there is no solid foundation. Love, love alone won’t help the relationship to nourish so it takes time. Takumi is womanizer before and even after being with hachi it’s so sad. But then Hachi is content with her position I’m not surprised coz she never thought that someone like him will marry an ordinary girl but as takumi said i was awaken to love!! But come on, it’s not really easy to change lifestyle that easily especially that hachi is preggy lol.. the thing with reira is different though that's really confused me..

You asked why I defend him knowing that what he is doing is immoral it’s probably because I fell in love with them and my lame excuse is again I probably look at the lighter side of the story. Even though I said that here’s what i think of him even if cheats, even if he’s cold at some times, even if he’s not thoughtful, even if he makes hachi mad but he does something good for everyone, for hachi, for the band and bandmates and staff. The most important thing is that he showed love to hachi enough for her to stay by his side. (not too sure) And I think that Hachi showed sweetness and warmthness to takumi enough for her to melt takumi’s cold heart..lol

Small details that make me smile, junko said something about hachi being spoiled by takumi and she replied not really takumi is strict if I’m not being good he won’t blow dry my hair… I think that’s so sweet..and also that scene in the bath when takumi said I thought you were here to make trouble and hachi covers here ears pretended not to heair anything then takumi said... i said I LOVE YOU!!


As for the ending , I don’t care what happen to the rest of the cast but I hope that hachi and takumi will stay together or if not I’ll make my own ending..lol… reira for sure will not commit suicide she looks happy and content in the future scene so she deserves it..

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Posted 4/10/08
i have been searching for the extra on ichonose's life.... it shud have been with the 70th chpt or sumthing.... he is an extremely complex character, i guess he is at the opposite spectrum of yasu... in a way.... but at the end of the day fact is, it would suc to be WITH ichinose, but not to actually BE ichinose...
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I like Takumi or should I say I love Takumi?

I agreed what Gentlewater said but the things between him and Reira bother me..
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Posted 4/11/08
I do adore Takumi that I admit, it's just that sometimes his actions are hard to love.
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Posted 4/12/08
I don't think Hachi will ever leave him, she seems to be aware that he will cheat/is cheating on her and has resolved to stay with him. To be fair, Takumi did tell her that he had... er, needs.

His newest development with Reira does weird me out a bit. Takumi's just doing it for the sake of keeping Reira in the band, and Reira knows that he doesn't love her in that way and probably never will. Takumi has told her that she will just be a 'lover' and nothing else, so I doubt he'll ever leave Hachi for another woman (and who would? That woman is too supportive -_-;;).

So while some of the things Takumi does is a bit dirtbaggish, he is also brutally honest and I think that some points should be given there. Any woman he is involved with knows what he's doing, and since he's completely honest about it, I find it hard to really fault him for it because the women are letting him do it.

I don't think the ending to NANA is going to end perfectly, but that's why I'm so hooked on everything Ai Yazawa does... the relationships in her mangas are much more realistic than what you find in other shoujo/josei mangas. Life doesn't always end perfectly, but if most of the characters are at least content at the end of it, I'll be completely happy with it.
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Posted 4/12/08
I HATE TAKUMI
datss all im gonna say
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Posted 4/13/08
Oh Yes Takumi's Second name is controversial Oo
i dont understand this guy at all...
i dont hate him, he is kinda cool but when i read about the stupid things he does i want to through something at him
(mostly a eraser flies towards my desktop or the manga flies accross my room...)
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Posted 4/14/08

lalamesilly wrote:

At the same time it's hard for me to imagine a guy like Takumi in real life. Because I wonder if a guy can be such a jerk like that at times. Still it intrigues me that just because he's there makes the manga so much more interesting.

Honestly to all you Takumi haters, what the heck would you be looking forward to in the manga? And to you Takumi lovers how can you defend someone so immoral as him?


There is actually someone like Takumi in real life and I happen to love one and actually stay with him and tolerate the things he's doing for four years now. Maybe that's the reason why I love the story that much. It happens in real life and there is actually someone like Hachi who can tolerate the things Takumi does. (This only applies to the whole 'womanizing' and 'not at home most of the time' thing.)

I really don't know if it's love or hate. Maybe it's just that I can relate to the things that's been happening to those two and looking forward to what's going to happen next.

The story of Nana is very much realistic that almost everyone can connect to the characters and that's what makes it more interesting. Having a good or bad ending doesn't matter to me as long as Yazawa Ai keeps it real.
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Posted 4/14/08 , edited 4/14/08
All the things Takumi is doing, I never really see it, because at least for me when a guy cheats on me once I leave before I see the crazier stuff. I just don't think its worth it because it's not... If someone (in real life) doesn't give me the respect I deserve (this is my opinion of course) I leave, I don't have any tolerance level for cheating or any of that sort, because one it hurts, two its just stupid because that just shows how much your partner "loves" you.
Sure there's the whole 2nd chance thing. But if they realize they can get away with it once most of the time they'll do it again. And in the end it is YOU that suffers and YOU who gets the loss not HIM/HER. And please don't give me the BS, But I love Him... Believe me there are plenty of good men out there.

NANA is realistic, but at the same time not. Life means different for many people so it's hard to generalize what life is.

The reason why it matters to me if it is a happy ending is because I don't want NANA to turn out to be one of my tragic mangas I read. I actually want it to be one of the heartwarming and uplifting things, something that gives you hope for the good side in humanity. And I think that might be the direction Ai Yazawa is considering, a realistic happy ending. Which on most parts is how most of her mangas end.

If we want to talk about how most people can relate to things that are happening in NANA, I may be one of those people. I can't figure out what Hatchi is thinking Takumi wise. But I understand completely with the Shouji mishap, and the specific Reira and Takumi incident. I think most of us here will have a Shouji in our lives in some point, because men like him are pretty common.

Nana and Takumi I do hope they stay together, with Takumi getting a smack on the head of coarse. Because it will show even one of the most hectic and twisted legitimate relationships can work out. And frankly that gives me hope.



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i just happen to read the earlier chapter again and no matter how many times I read it I can’t think of hachi to be with nobu for the simple reason that she didn’t seriously break up with takumi and in just a short span of time she sleep with nobu and I think that’s very unhealthy… as what nobu said if you split up with takumi and if you didn’t love him then come see me but hachi stupidly think of herself and fill her emptiness that’s why she went to nobu.... it seems like she took advantage of nobu’s feeling…but when takumi offer marriage, hachi decided to stay by his side and make him happy. She knows what he is like from the very beginning so doing immorality is acceptable to her.

If I happen to be with hachi I’ll probably do the same, I will forget all my principles and ideals because I’m carrying my baby… I’ll probably say I don’t mind takumi having 100 women as long as I’m no.1 lol… or saying I’ll fight for my family…anyhow, takumi didn’t totally neglect hachi in fact he spoiled her once in a while and the most important thing he happened to love her. If takumi didn’t change after a few years then hachi is so stupid if I were her, this time I’ll divorce him and take half of his assets.
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OK I'm back and ready to analysis again ^_^ well first off the biggest thing I think we are surprised is that THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN IN A SHOJO MANGA. I have few few selections of shojo I'm reading and this one takes the cake other than that I love shonen. Anyways on to my main point we are so used to the happy endings we usually see in shojo manga that takumi takes us by surprise I'll be honest at first I didn't like him but after I realized OMG HE'S A HUMAN BEING WHO HAS FAULTS 0_0
I agree I don't some of the stuff he's doing be like you've all said he's honest and the women involved are as much fault as he is and hachi accepts that b/c she knows she has faults too. WIth nobu everybody keeps ignoring that they were too much alike and it wasn't going to work mainly b/c like hachi he would've wanted to be spoiled like she was with shoji. The cycle would've continued and it would have been unhealthy.
When she is with takumi she actually sits down and thinks about being separated for awhile to think things over and work it out together. Love is not the only thing to sustain a relationship there are many more elements to it. Takumi said himself he wants a family and in a sense was always lonely and along came hachi who not only is giving him a family she accepts him for WHO HE TRULY IS. In the past in his side stories he said he didn't hate stupid girls but he didn't like how native they could get. I think at first he thought hachi was just a stupid girl but after he spoke with her he has the ability to read people and thats he got more interested in her and noticed she is more than what she seems
Anyways after finding some like her who can accept him the way he is and want anything in return is a plus thats all I can say for now. Personally I think they have both matured together and I'm so happy to see how mature is she now then she was b4 ^_^
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reira's kid is actually takumi's kid ... chapter 74 ! ! !
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