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Religion: Man's Way of Getting to Heaven
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Posted 4/12/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Actually, Christians were here before Catholics. If it wasent for Christians than Catholics wouldent exsist. And no, i'm not one of those Chirstains that shove Jesus down everybodys throat. If i nobody wants to hear about Jesus, than i leve them alone.

So what really is the difference between Christianity and Catholicism? Both worship the same "god" right? Both believe in Jesus who was born of the virgin Mary. Both believe in Heaven and Hell and the final judgment. Well, aren't you supposed to be brothers or something? I grew up in a Catholic family and that's part of what people shoved into our tiny manipulated minds... Luckily I wasn't stupid enough to actually believe everything since I read history books and was fascinated by all the religions so I studied almost all of them... Religions are connected in some way... Try studying them before judging...



And if my child had a horrible birth defect than i will still give birth to it. Atleast let it live. Besides, people who don't want there children that have a birth defect are worse than trash. I don't mean to be gay or anything, but what if you had a horrible birth defect? And about the whole, "well what if you life is in danger?" thing? Well just think, whice persone has had the longest to live? You, a 21or 24 year old, or a baby that hasent evan been born yet? Yes i know, when your 21 or 24 you havent really accomplished that much in in life, but still. Atleast you would still have somebody to carry on your memory or something like that.

It's not really about whether or not you want a defected child or not... It's the life that child will go through... It's not about YOU being humiliated by having a defected child... It's about the child being bullied, suffering pain which was probably an inborn disorder, coming to hate himself and probably lead to suicide which to your religion is considered a mortal sin which will lead him to hell... If you love your child then if he dies before committing the sin then he would be sent to heaven right?



And yes. I do hate the gays. I love them and i hate them. But let me ask you this: you don't find anything wrong with two guys screwing each other everynight? Or girls? I mean, seriously? You don't? Certinatly a 16 year old like you would have enough brains to relize what is wrong with that.

I don't really care if you hate gays or not but how can you have such hate and say that you aren't shoving your beliefs onto everyone else? You may not be directly saying it but you are actually implying that what you and your religion think is wrong is actually wrong in the eyes of all... So what if they screw each other? Are they meddling with your life? No they are not... unless they rape you or something, they're harmless. If you think they're going to hell.. Why bother with them? You are taking the risk of going to hell just by hating them... I think you wouldn't want that... Also not everyone has the same way of thinking as you and your religion... what may be wrong to you, may be acceptable to others...
In ancient Rome and Greece, It is socially acceptable for males to have sexual relations with both male and female. Males can have prostitutes but women cannot. But look... they became the most successful empires in history.
Look at Alexander the Great. His first lover was male and he expanded his empire.




And about the whole sex thing before marriage, i think i would rather be prude than to have some random guys genital herpes thank you very much. Also, why are you calling me ignorant and prude at the fact that i belive in the virgin birth? I mean, sure it sounds crazy, but atleast it isent as crazy as being a terroist or be a know-it-all Athiest. Why do you call me crazy and prude when you got Scientist who try to out prove everything? And 40 virgins? lol. You seem so smart but yet a very dumb six-teen year old. If you care so much about losing vignity than go call one of those party hot-lines and met a guy with genitial herpes. While i wait till marriage to have a clean sex life. =D

Well... I'm also not really for having sex here and there cuz well of STDs and such... I don't care if you believe in virgin birth... but try and accept that not everyone thinks like you... It isn't your problem if they want to ruin their lives or not... Why do you even care? You won't make a difference by getting angry and insulting Atheists just because we don't believe... doesn't mean we don't have any sense of morals or we don't know right from wrong... A few bad apples really dont rot the whole basket
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Actually, Christians were here before Catholics. If it wasent for Christians than Catholics wouldent exsist. And no, i'm not one of those Chirstains that shove Jesus down everybodys throat. If i nobody wants to hear about Jesus, than i leve them alone. And if my child had a horrible birth defect than i will still give birth to it. Atleast let it live. Besides, people who don't want there children that have a birth defect are worse than trash. I don't mean to be gay or anything, but what if you had a horrible birth defect? And about the whole, "well what if you life is in danger?" thing? Well just think, whice persone has had the longest to live? You, a 21or 24 year old, or a baby that hasent evan been born yet? Yes i know, when your 21 or 24 you havent really accomplished that much in in life, but still. Atleast you would still have somebody to carry on your memory or something like that. And yes. I do hate the gays. I love them and i hate them. But let me ask you this: you don't find anything wrong with two guys screwing each other everynight? Or girls? I mean, seriously? You don't? Certinatly a 16 year old like you would have enough brains to relize what is wrong with that. And about the whole sex thing before marriage, i think i would rather be prude than to have some random guys genital herpes thank you very much. Also, why are you calling me ignorant and prude at the fact that i belive in the virgin birth? I mean, sure it sounds crazy, but atleast it isent as crazy as being a terroist or be a know-it-all Athiest. Why do you call me crazy and prude when you got Scientist who try to out prove everything? And 40 virgins? lol. You seem so smart but yet a very dumb six-teen year old. If you care so much about losing vignity than go call one of those party hot-lines and met a guy with genitial herpes. While i wait till marriage to have a clean sex life. =D


1.) Your spelling is atrocious
2.) True, that Christians formed Catholicism, but you have to remember that Catholics were the first organized group of Christians. Any Protestant religion you belong to initially branched off Catholicism...and very recently, if you want to speak in long-term historical terms, too (most likely in the past few centuries).
3.) With that long ramble you used to start this thread, I highly doubt you don't bother people about their religions and shove Christianity down their throat.
4.) Saying you will give birth to a child who has a birth defect is very selfish of you. That child will go through trauma and suffering their entire life, and I don't know about you but I'd rather be put out of my misery if I was in the child's position. As for the mother's life being in danger...I'll say that's up to the mother's discretion whether she wants to go through with an abortion or not.
5.) I happen to be a bisexual. I'm sure you find that lovely. Although it doesn't bother me personally, I understand that many people don't like to picture gay couples having sex. You don't have to like gays, but you can be mature enough to respect them. No one told you to visualize two men screwing each other every night, you choose to do that yourself. Hell, you probably won't ever be exposed to it, so why does it bother you? It's important to get past the conservative mindset and sexual aspect of homosexual relationships and realize that all homosexuality is is a choice of love, and there's nothing wrong with that.
6.) I'm not saying go out and lose your virginity as fast as you can. That clearly isn't smart, with all the risks. All I'm saying is that so much value doesn't need to be placed on virginity and sex before marriage shouldn't be viewed as a bad thing. The choice to remain a virgin is very good and difficult thing to do. If you want to protect yourself from STDs and a possible unplanned pregnancy, more power to you. What bothers me, though, is the morality factor getting tangled in there. Sex should never be considered "wrong". Try and tell me what's so morally wrong about it. As far as I'm concerned, sex is a healthy part of life. And FYI, I happen to be very cautious about sexual activity, but not because my pastor says so.
7.) Technically, a virgin birth is nearly impossible. The only way that could ever happen is if sperm came in contact with the vagina, and even so, the chances are slim. Either way, your "Virgin Mary" was messing around with someone.
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Posted 4/13/08 , edited 4/18/08


Acrually some people think the virgin birth idea was based on a mistranslation of the bible. Random fact.


I can believe that. Many parts of the bible are mistranslated, in my opinion.
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Posted 4/14/08 , edited 4/18/08
One important thing to note.

Throughout that little text book that is the first post, it keeps on mentioning what is happening in "this country," meaning the United States, that it's destructive to let all religions have equal say, that it's important that the US stick to its Christian values, etc.

I'm just going to choose to ignore all the bigamy and ignorance in those statements and focus on factual error. You state that the country was founded by Christians and Christian values. As a matter of fact, the majority of the folks at the first constitutional convention were deists. This means they believed that God had imbued man with reason so that they could make their own, logical, humanistic decisions. God as you seem to understand it played a very small role in their lives, and Jesus and even smaller part. They could be called Christians in the loose sense of the word, but for the most part, they believed in the mental powers of man.

So, your whole political argument doesn't really stand up.
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Posted 4/15/08 , edited 4/18/08
religion CANNOT

but our FAITH in GOD can....
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Posted 4/16/08 , edited 4/18/08

magnus102 wrote:

Acrually some people think the virgin birth idea was based on a mistranslation of the bible. Random fact.



Well.... I think it's not from a mistranslation of the bible since Virgin births are quite common in religions...
Even in polytheistic ones...
For me Jesus is a plagiarized version of the Egyptian god Horus...
Of a virgin birth, born on dec.25, etc..

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