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Posted 4/7/08
One of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit is fear of the Lord. I am not afraid of God. In fact, I'm not afraid of anything at all. Why does God want me to fear Him? Does he intend on destroying my meaningless existence? Am I not worthy of looking God in the eye? I don't understand why I should fear God if he is this loving being. God never sent anyone to Hell so what is there to fear but one's own wrongdoing. So by that logic, is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit invalid?
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proverbs 1:7 -The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools dispise wisdom and instruction.

The fact that you are asking this question shows that you're on the right track! so good job so far haha.

To keep it simple without upsetting anyone, the word "fear" should be the topic of the study, if we really just look at the passage in context then the word speaks for itself. In isaiah 11 the word fear in hebrew is "yirah" rooted in rooted in "yare" - to fear or revere.

Whenever the bible mentions fear in relation to God it should be seen within context. Fear should be attributed not to terror but to respect and shear admiration.

To Fear God is to respect Him, or be in reverence of Him. If we lack these then we are incapable of truly worshiping Him for who he is.
I agree with mr. magnus in the sense that it is needed to further the church, but the focus should be on the individual and not so much to scare people into the church. Rather to help people understand that though their relationship with christ should be founded in love, to understand and know Him there MUST be a level of reverence.

Im just going to go with proverbs on this once, solomon said it best proverbs 1:7

ps. I was justing wondering, do you have a reference verse for these 7 gifts.
Great question btw!


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Magnus has most of it right, but his definition of "church" is incorrect. Most people think that the church is the institutuion and building in which the religious practices take place. It's a common misconception, but the church is actually the body of believers who are gathered for a common purpose. Building up the church is not wrong but the fear of God and the spiritual gifts are not for building up the "church".

In Hebrew, yirah (Jon 1:16, Ps 90:11), yare (above, Mal 3:16) and pachad (Job 3:25a, Ps 119:120) means reverent fear, terror, or dread, normally translated simply fear. There are other words in Hebrew for mere respect, reverence, or honor, such as kabad (Ex 20:12). In Greek, reverence or honor is timao (1 Pet 2:17a/d). Depending on the translated text, these can be translated into either fear or reverence. But it generally agreed upon that this "fear" can be translated into respect, awe and love. I know it's technically a flawed idea, but the reverent fear (love) that we have for the Lord spurrs us to good deeds. To not be afraid of anything is simply ignorance because everyone is afraid of something.

here are some definitions of fear (http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/fear):
noun
1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.
3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.
4. reverential awe, esp. toward God.
5. that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.
verb (used with object)
6. to regard with fear; be afraid of.
7. to have reverential awe of.
8. Archaic. to experience fear in (oneself).
verb (used without object)
9. to have fear; be afraid.
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Gee inrememberance and RivrStyx got to it first and both are correct.
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We were actually discussing this in my church a few weeks ago...When we "fear" the Lord, it doesn't mean the kind of fear that makes us want to shake, tremble, and run for the nearest shelter(though God could easily do that to us)...God wants us to have a healthy fear of him. In other words we should always keep his awesome/ limitless power in mind. When compared to God, we are nothing...as humans we were created from the dust of this Earth. We aren't anywhere near worthy of the magnificent amount of love Jesus showed us by dying on the cross for the remission of our sins.

God/Jesus/Holy Spirit is our Father, he is Love, our Creator, our Deliverer, he is Holy, he is Hope, he is the Lamb that was slain for our sins, he is the Light of the world, the Son of Man, and the Resurrection and the Life.

BUT

He also is The Alpha and the Omega(first and last), the Author and Perfecter of our Faith, the Bread of Life, Head of the Church, The Heir of All Things, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, The Beginning and the End, Our Protection, Our Redemption, The Most High, and the Judge of the living and the dead. (the list could go on forever)

What the Bible means by fearing God is that we should have a true understanding of his glory, his undescribable power, and RESPECT his authority.

In other words I agree with what everyone said earlier XD

And don't forget that the Holy Spirit is also God and not a thing. He came down to this Earth so that God would be with us always...thank you Jesus!~
Posted 4/8/08 , edited 4/18/08
Fear of God implies that God gets our love through fear. That's not the kind of God I've been taught.
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magnus102 wrote:


RivrStyx wrote:

Magnus has most of it right, but his definition of "church" is incorrect. Most people think that the church is the institutuion and building in which the religious practices take place. It's a common misconception, but the church is actually the body of believers who are gathered for a common purpose. Building up the church is not wrong but the fear of God and the spiritual gifts are not for building up the "church".

In Hebrew, yirah (Jon 1:16, Ps 90:11), yare (above, Mal 3:16) and pachad (Job 3:25a, Ps 119:120) means reverent fear, terror, or dread, normally translated simply fear. There are other words in Hebrew for mere respect, reverence, or honor, such as kabad (Ex 20:12). In Greek, reverence or honor is timao (1 Pet 2:17a/d). Depending on the translated text, these can be translated into either fear or reverence. But it generally agreed upon that this "fear" can be translated into respect, awe and love. I know it's technically a flawed idea, but the reverent fear (love) that we have for the Lord spurrs us to good deeds. To not be afraid of anything is simply ignorance because everyone is afraid of something.

here are some definitions of fear (http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/fear):
noun
1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.
3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.
4. reverential awe, esp. toward God.
5. that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.
verb (used with object)
6. to regard with fear; be afraid of.
7. to have reverential awe of.
8. Archaic. to experience fear in (oneself).
verb (used without object)
9. to have fear; be afraid.


By building the church I meant the body of believers and not the building itself.


so what's wrong with building up and supporting each other with our gifts?

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magnus102 wrote:


RivrStyx wrote:


magnus102 wrote:


RivrStyx wrote:

Magnus has most of it right, but his definition of "church" is incorrect. Most people think that the church is the institutuion and building in which the religious practices take place. It's a common misconception, but the church is actually the body of believers who are gathered for a common purpose. Building up the church is not wrong but the fear of God and the spiritual gifts are not for building up the "church".

In Hebrew, yirah (Jon 1:16, Ps 90:11), yare (above, Mal 3:16) and pachad (Job 3:25a, Ps 119:120) means reverent fear, terror, or dread, normally translated simply fear. There are other words in Hebrew for mere respect, reverence, or honor, such as kabad (Ex 20:12). In Greek, reverence or honor is timao (1 Pet 2:17a/d). Depending on the translated text, these can be translated into either fear or reverence. But it generally agreed upon that this "fear" can be translated into respect, awe and love. I know it's technically a flawed idea, but the reverent fear (love) that we have for the Lord spurrs us to good deeds. To not be afraid of anything is simply ignorance because everyone is afraid of something.

here are some definitions of fear (http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/fear):
noun
1. a distressing emotion aroused by impending danger, evil, pain, etc., whether the threat is real or imagined; the feeling or condition of being afraid.
2. a specific instance of or propensity for such a feeling: an abnormal fear of heights.
3. concern or anxiety; solicitude: a fear for someone's safety.
4. reverential awe, esp. toward God.
5. that which causes a feeling of being afraid; that of which a person is afraid: Cancer is a common fear.
verb (used with object)
6. to regard with fear; be afraid of.
7. to have reverential awe of.
8. Archaic. to experience fear in (oneself).
verb (used without object)
9. to have fear; be afraid.


By building the church I meant the body of believers and not the building itself.


so what's wrong with building up and supporting each other with our gifts?


Nothing, but you misrepresented my position when you claimed I was incorrect.



then I was mistaken, sorry
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stay on topic plz ^_^ " Fear of God"...or start a new thread on the church

Skygod you're not listening...God doesn't crave our fear of him, we were created to worship him and for that purpose alone. The only people that fear God are unbelievers who may fear his wrath and judgment. For believers, the "fear of God" means awe and respect for the magnitude of power he has.

What's the most powerful/frightening thing you can think of in this universe? For me it's black holes and quasars that are full of such sheer energy that they destroy everything in their path! Now think! To God, these are nothing! He created them and the power of things in this universe are nothing in comparison to the almighty power of God.~

Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this:
Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; for our God is a consuming fire.

This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.
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inrememberance wrote:

proverbs 1:7 -The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools dispise wisdom and instruction.

The fact that you are asking this question shows that you're on the right track! so good job so far haha.

To keep it simple without upsetting anyone, the word "fear" should be the topic of the study, if we really just look at the passage in context then the word speaks for itself. In isaiah 11 the word fear in hebrew is "yirah" rooted in rooted in "yare" - to fear or revere.

Whenever the bible mentions fear in relation to God it should be seen within context. Fear should be attributed not to terror but to respect and shear admiration.

To Fear God is to respect Him, or be in reverence of Him. If we lack these then we are incapable of truly worshiping Him for who he is.
I agree with mr. magnus in the sense that it is needed to further the church, but the focus should be on the individual and not so much to scare people into the church. Rather to help people understand that though their relationship with christ should be founded in love, to understand and know Him there MUST be a level of reverence.

Im just going to go with proverbs on this once, solomon said it best proverbs 1:7

ps. I was justing wondering, do you have a reference verse for these 7 gifts.
Great question btw!




Inrememberance is right. fear is used as both reverence and the actual fear.

I also think it might be good to have a healthy dose of actual fear as well.
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wow... i learned a lot from this... thanks people...
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Ya i was a little perplexed going into it, your defining a word so naturally people are going to percieve it means different things. Not much to touch on here, everyone seems to have the right idea/track of mind when it comes to fear, but let me reintegrate why we are christians, through His grace alone, so I think it's okay to fear God's wrathfor that is one of the principles that drove me to repentance. I do not want to face His judgement, but at the same time what is their to "fear" if you are born anew in Him. You should fear the results of sin. He chases the one's He loves, He is righteous and just. Reverence sums it up.
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Ya i was a little perplexed going into it, your defining a word so naturally people are going to percieve it means different things. Not much to touch on here, everyone seems to have the right idea/track of mind when it comes to fear, but let me reintegrate why we are christians, through His grace alone, so I think it's okay to fear God's wrathfor that is one of the principles that drove me to repentance. I do not want to face His judgement, but at the same time what is their to "fear" if you are born anew in Him. You should fear the results of sin. He chases the one's He loves, He is righteous and just. Reverence sums it up.


Yes you seem to be very active and you do seem to know what you are talking about
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cryolyger wrote:

Ya i was a little perplexed going into it, your defining a word so naturally people are going to percieve it means different things. Not much to touch on here, everyone seems to have the right idea/track of mind when it comes to fear, but let me reintegrate why we are christians, through His grace alone, so I think it's okay to fear God's wrathfor that is one of the principles that drove me to repentance. I do not want to face His judgement, but at the same time what is their to "fear" if you are born anew in Him. You should fear the results of sin. He chases the one's He loves, He is righteous and just. Reverence sums it up.


Yes you seem to be very active and you do seem to know what you are talking about


haha thanks, but its through God that I attain any useful knowledge. I am not about to take credit for any of it. Through prayer, guidance, and studying thats how we grow and learn, alot of wise people in the group, im excited.
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