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Kira Yamato VS Amuro Ray?
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Posted 3/6/09

Kirafan wrote:


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Reasons why Amuro will win over Kira

Amuro Ray is the legendary Gundam pilot of all Gundam series, compared to Kira Yamato, who copied Amuro Ray, also Hi-Nu Gundam has best weapons compared to Strike Freedom Gundam is still copied version of Hi-Nu Gundam, when it comes of being Newtype, Amuro is still the best but Kira is the copy version, also Gundam SEED is the copied version of 1979 Gundam and Gundam SEED Destiny is also the copied version of 1985 ZGundam when it comes with everything, oh well....

Kira Yamato, the 'Ultimate Coordinator' of CE universe. We've all seen him in action, from his early days as the unwilling pilot of the Strike Gundam, trashing the poor MS many times but putting it to very good use. Then he gets Freedom, adopts a principle of non-killing in his batles, and unleashes it's HiMAT and beam spammage power on the unsuspecting ZAFT pilots. Falls at the hands of Shinn Asuka in Force Impulse because of the latter's cunning. Sorties out to space in Cagalli's Strike Rouge and trashes it too, but takes down quite a few MS much more advanced than the one he's piloting in the process, a testament to his piloting skills. Then gets the Strike Freedom, and from there on, it's nothing but neverending beam spammage - and at long rang at that, what with the Super DRAGOONs.

Amuro Ray, the son of Tem Ray, designer of the original RX-78 'Gundam', and eventually pilots the MS, jumping in to the cockpit with no training at all and just the MS manual as reference. Destroys quite a number of Zeon MS mostly on his own, even MSes that are considered more advanced than his. Slowly develops his 'Newtype' abilities during the course of the war, and in more than one occasion aids him in combat, especially against Zeon's Red Comet, Char Aznable. Pretty much uses the same unit during the One Year War, the Gundam only getting a few enhancements such as Magnetic Coating on the joints. Defeats Char Aznable, then piloting a Psycommu-outfitted Zeong during the Battle of A Baoa Qu. Resurfaces during the Gryps' War (Z era) and joins the AEUG, albeit seeing less MS battle than the era's main characters (Kamille Vidan, Quattro Bagina, etc), and in a lesser MS (Rick Dias). (Of course we know that in various side stories and publications, he does get to pilot a Zeta and a Zeta Plus C1). During UC 0093, he once again goes into combat, again with his famous rival Char, first in the ReGZ, with Char in the much more advanced Sazabi. Later on pilots the RX-93 Nu Gundam, which puts him on an even field with Char with the suit's PsychoFrame, and defeats the latter, then deflects Axis from it's Earth collision course, using the Nu Gundam to push it off.

So what's the difference between them? Piloting skills wise, they might be at par with each other. Even with respect to 'superhuman' abilities (e.g. Coordinator vs Newtype). But it's experience that differs greatly between them. Just looking at each pilot's respective combat history, Amuro has a definitive edge. Amuro has accumulated combat skills over a span of several years that Kira has not had learned yet in his short stint as MS pilot.

Besides, I have read in various forums that (and I think this had been clarified by Fukuda / Bandai) that Kira's so-called 'Ultimate Coordinator' title is nothing more than a reference to his coming out 'as planned'. Meaning that he came out just as his parents wanted him to be, color of eyes, hair, physical appearance, etc.

Technology-wise, RX-93 Nu Gundam ownz Strike Freedom. C'mon, Nu's Fin Funnels can create a shield around the Nu. If you've watched Gundam Evolve, Amuro used the Nu's Fin Funnels to contain the Alpha Azieru's full blast. The Fin Funnels also act like extensions of Amuro's body, all due to the Psycoframe.

How about the Strike Freedom? Sure it has Dragoons, which doesn't exhibit anything more than shoot enemy MS. I haven't seen Kira control those Dragoons as well as Amuro controls his Fin Funnels. S.Freedom also has the multi-lock system, aka Full Burst mode. All it does is lock on to its targets and have every weapon shoot. Nothing more, nothing less.

So how's this scenario go? It's easy. Kira, being the 'hit them quick and painful', activates the Full Burst mode. Amuro uses his fin funnels to create a barrier around the Nu. Kira's attacks proved useless, as the Fin Funnels destroy each Dragoon effeortlessly, all thanks to Amuro's Psychoframe. it all boils down to beam saber combat. There's no competition. Amuro pwns Kira with his beam saber. He (Amuro) ain't called the White Devil for nothing. Watch Mobile Suit: Gundam to see first hand Amuro's mad beam saber techniques.

Of course, Char Aznable still pwns everybody in the Gundam franchise. SIEG ZEON!


Darn it.... old school fans

not impressed by amuro's skills. watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHdAqq5_so look on the part when kira goes to seed and slashes saviour with 2 swords.

when u use emo seed pilot, use shinn. Fukuda is aint making kira called the ultimate corrordinator for nothing. not convinced by ur post............

We do not need military traning to pilot a MS(shown by Amuro and Kira and others) but kira was the best. He did good in Strike. he even figured out the ropes of a ZAFT MS(Freedom).



Kira is VERY weak without the SEED Factor you know
Posted 3/6/09

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Kirafan wrote:


OTAKUADDICT wrote:

Reasons why Amuro will win over Kira

Amuro Ray is the legendary Gundam pilot of all Gundam series, compared to Kira Yamato, who copied Amuro Ray, also Hi-Nu Gundam has best weapons compared to Strike Freedom Gundam is still copied version of Hi-Nu Gundam, when it comes of being Newtype, Amuro is still the best but Kira is the copy version, also Gundam SEED is the copied version of 1979 Gundam and Gundam SEED Destiny is also the copied version of 1985 ZGundam when it comes with everything, oh well....

Kira Yamato, the 'Ultimate Coordinator' of CE universe. We've all seen him in action, from his early days as the unwilling pilot of the Strike Gundam, trashing the poor MS many times but putting it to very good use. Then he gets Freedom, adopts a principle of non-killing in his batles, and unleashes it's HiMAT and beam spammage power on the unsuspecting ZAFT pilots. Falls at the hands of Shinn Asuka in Force Impulse because of the latter's cunning. Sorties out to space in Cagalli's Strike Rouge and trashes it too, but takes down quite a few MS much more advanced than the one he's piloting in the process, a testament to his piloting skills. Then gets the Strike Freedom, and from there on, it's nothing but neverending beam spammage - and at long rang at that, what with the Super DRAGOONs.

Amuro Ray, the son of Tem Ray, designer of the original RX-78 'Gundam', and eventually pilots the MS, jumping in to the cockpit with no training at all and just the MS manual as reference. Destroys quite a number of Zeon MS mostly on his own, even MSes that are considered more advanced than his. Slowly develops his 'Newtype' abilities during the course of the war, and in more than one occasion aids him in combat, especially against Zeon's Red Comet, Char Aznable. Pretty much uses the same unit during the One Year War, the Gundam only getting a few enhancements such as Magnetic Coating on the joints. Defeats Char Aznable, then piloting a Psycommu-outfitted Zeong during the Battle of A Baoa Qu. Resurfaces during the Gryps' War (Z era) and joins the AEUG, albeit seeing less MS battle than the era's main characters (Kamille Vidan, Quattro Bagina, etc), and in a lesser MS (Rick Dias). (Of course we know that in various side stories and publications, he does get to pilot a Zeta and a Zeta Plus C1). During UC 0093, he once again goes into combat, again with his famous rival Char, first in the ReGZ, with Char in the much more advanced Sazabi. Later on pilots the RX-93 Nu Gundam, which puts him on an even field with Char with the suit's PsychoFrame, and defeats the latter, then deflects Axis from it's Earth collision course, using the Nu Gundam to push it off.

So what's the difference between them? Piloting skills wise, they might be at par with each other. Even with respect to 'superhuman' abilities (e.g. Coordinator vs Newtype). But it's experience that differs greatly between them. Just looking at each pilot's respective combat history, Amuro has a definitive edge. Amuro has accumulated combat skills over a span of several years that Kira has not had learned yet in his short stint as MS pilot.

Besides, I have read in various forums that (and I think this had been clarified by Fukuda / Bandai) that Kira's so-called 'Ultimate Coordinator' title is nothing more than a reference to his coming out 'as planned'. Meaning that he came out just as his parents wanted him to be, color of eyes, hair, physical appearance, etc.

Technology-wise, RX-93 Nu Gundam ownz Strike Freedom. C'mon, Nu's Fin Funnels can create a shield around the Nu. If you've watched Gundam Evolve, Amuro used the Nu's Fin Funnels to contain the Alpha Azieru's full blast. The Fin Funnels also act like extensions of Amuro's body, all due to the Psycoframe.

How about the Strike Freedom? Sure it has Dragoons, which doesn't exhibit anything more than shoot enemy MS. I haven't seen Kira control those Dragoons as well as Amuro controls his Fin Funnels. S.Freedom also has the multi-lock system, aka Full Burst mode. All it does is lock on to its targets and have every weapon shoot. Nothing more, nothing less.

So how's this scenario go? It's easy. Kira, being the 'hit them quick and painful', activates the Full Burst mode. Amuro uses his fin funnels to create a barrier around the Nu. Kira's attacks proved useless, as the Fin Funnels destroy each Dragoon effeortlessly, all thanks to Amuro's Psychoframe. it all boils down to beam saber combat. There's no competition. Amuro pwns Kira with his beam saber. He (Amuro) ain't called the White Devil for nothing. Watch Mobile Suit: Gundam to see first hand Amuro's mad beam saber techniques.

Of course, Char Aznable still pwns everybody in the Gundam franchise. SIEG ZEON!


Darn it.... old school fans

not impressed by amuro's skills. watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHdAqq5_so look on the part when kira goes to seed and slashes saviour with 2 swords.

when u use emo seed pilot, use shinn. Fukuda is aint making kira called the ultimate corrordinator for nothing. not convinced by ur post............

We do not need military traning to pilot a MS(shown by Amuro and Kira and others) but kira was the best. He did good in Strike. he even figured out the ropes of a ZAFT MS(Freedom).



Kira is VERY weak without the SEED Factor you know


he is not weak! he took out many MS in ep 39 of gsd without going to seed obviously, u did not watch carfully.
In other episodes with his freedom, i saw him take out many MS without going to seed.

b/c all ur saying is KIRA IS WEAK OTAKU!
U DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT KIRA!!!!!!!!!
Posted 3/6/09
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Amuro, no question. It's a shame that there are no U.C fans here.
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Posted 3/8/09 , edited 3/8/09

Kirafan wrote:

Darn it.... old school fans

not impressed by amuro's skills. watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHdAqq5_so look on the part when kira goes to seed and slashes saviour with 2 swords.

when u use emo seed pilot, use shinn. Fukuda is aint making kira called the ultimate corrordinator for nothing. not convinced by ur post............

We do not need military traning to pilot a MS(shown by Amuro and Kira and others) but kira was the best. He did good in Strike. he even figured out the ropes of a ZAFT MS(Freedom).


Are you dislexic or just stupid? (no offence really)
Kira's just an emo-like Amuro clone adapted for the "Naruto" generation. Amuro is a strategist, he usually tries to distract the opponents and ambush them, Kira fights in a reckless way.
Posted 3/9/09

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Kirafan wrote:

Darn it.... old school fans

not impressed by amuro's skills. watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFHdAqq5_so look on the part when kira goes to seed and slashes saviour with 2 swords.

when u use emo seed pilot, use shinn. Fukuda is aint making kira called the ultimate corrordinator for nothing. not convinced by ur post............

We do not need military traning to pilot a MS(shown by Amuro and Kira and others) but kira was the best. He did good in Strike. he even figured out the ropes of a ZAFT MS(Freedom).


Are you dislexic or just stupid? (no offence really)
Kira's just an emo-like Amuro clone adapted for the "Naruto" generation. Amuro is a strategist, he usually tries to distract the opponents and ambush them, Kira fights in a reckless way.


kira aint amuro clone. the only sort of clones in gundam are char clones. kira loooks more better.
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Kirafan wrote:
kira aint amuro clone. the only sort of clones in gundam are char clones. kira loooks more better.


Well protagonists like Seabook Arno, Usso Evin and Kira himself have some of Amuro's traits, even if slightly.

Anyways, have you considered the Hi-Nu Gundam? Supposedly, it corrected many design flaws from the original Nu Gundam (like a more stable psycoframe), and can equip twelve fin-funnels, a reinforced beam cannon, a hyper mega bazooka launcher, and the rest of the original's weapons.
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Amuro for sure!
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Easily Amuro, he is able to anticipate others movies and is able to sense them before they see him. He wasn't trained, he was just a natural pilot and destroyed mobile suit after mobile suit relentlessly, he saved Kamile on multiple occasions and was able to best Char throughout the series. He took out a Psycho Gundam's controls with 1 shot and at the end of MSG he is a killing machine even with an inferior MS. He is able to burn up the motors on the Gundam with his fast reflexes and is a master of misdirection.
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Anyways, have you considered the Hi-Nu Gundam? Supposedly, it corrected many design flaws from the original Nu Gundam (like a more stable psycoframe), and can equip twelve fin-funnels, a reinforced beam cannon, a hyper mega bazooka launcher, and the rest of the original's weapons.


LOL, it only has 6 funnel dummy...=p

And hyper mega bazooka launcher i think is an add on equipment dont forget SF also had meteor which is not only able to shoot a beam only but make a HUGE beam sword also. And SF has Combined rifle, chest cannon,etc. Kira all the way... Oh yeah btw for deimosbael, if what u mean is spatial awareness kira also has it =p. Kira also developing his newtype ability and master it in the end of the series...
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Amuro.

1. Amuro doesn't need to beam spam. He can shoot even without the aid of computers as shown in Char's Counterattack, when he shoots some MS from afar and even if he's not in view yet. Eventually, he outgrew the targeting computer of RX-78-2 as well. I'd like to see Kira do a beam-spam without the targeting system.

2. Fin Funnels need the Psyco-Frame to work the same way you need the computer to control the DRAGOONS. So saying that if you take away the Psyco-Frame Amuro is weaker, then let's take away the computer that Kira uses as well. I'd love to see Kira fight without cameras and the computer, which Amuro did with the RX-78's head severed against Zeong using strictly his NewType awareness.

3. Amuro doesn't need Seed-mode, he pwns on his own terms.

4. Amuro's fan base is a little smaller, considering majority of Seeders will not even consider watching other series because it might make their "god" look like a helpless pilot.

5. Experience. In Mobile Suit Gundam, RX-78-2 was outclassed by a lot of Zeon's new models and what did he use all through out? RX-78-2, the same MS since episode 1. Kira got pwned by Athrun using a somewhat at-par MS, then the rest is beam-spamming... er... history. Amuro uses wit, skills and he uses his smarts to pull all the stops, whilst Kira uses, well, aint it obvious, beam spam(okay... okay, Seed Mode).

6. Amuro doesn't rely on the power of his MS entirely. I'd say if both pilots are put in a similar MS (barring the coding and stuff that supposedly only Coordinators can pull off), both tuned and customized to the pilots' reaction time and skill, the answer is obvious, Amuro.

7. Meteor Unit? Nice, a bigger target for Amuro. Imagine he took out a Big-Zam, that's way way bigger (I think, I don't have a model kit of Big Zam) than the Meteor, and I don't think it has an I-Field Generator. And for the record, RX-78-2 is an inferior MS.

8. Kira has spatial awareness? Oh right, that ""NEWTYPE"" flash on his forehead. Sadly, it was never concluded by the writers that Kira was indeed a NewType.
NewType > Coordinator.

9. Kira is not weak? Oh right, he has an overpowered MS, of course he's not weak. But wait, Amuro has an inferior MS and he still pwns. /facepalm.

10. Re-GZ getting pwned by Strike? Lol. Let us see, Re-GZ survived against the Sazabi and Jagd Doga, both are customed for NewType use and much much more advanced than the Re-GZ. I'd like to see Strike going against those 2 MS.

11. Amuro can't block the beam from the Meteor? Of course he can't, he'd just dodge it.

Darn, this is what you get for getting Seeders and me having too much time.
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Kira Yamato but i prefer ...

Domon Kasshu

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Jesus Kira Crybaby Yamato Ofcourse!!! He rulz~
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