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Conscription (Drafting) - Your Views
Posted 1/13/07
"How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb"

Being a college student who is paying my own way, I looked long and hard at enlisting and doing TV work for the army to get out of debt and save up enough to start my own production company. I thought about it for months and asked myself seriouly if I could take the gamble; find out if I was a man or a mouse. I grew up in a family that is very anti-military. Military folks tend not to be softies, ne? I was always told that enlisting was signing up for death. To a certain extent, I can't argue that there aren't risks involved.

I turned 18, got a birthday card from Uncle Sam at the Selective Service telling me he had a job for me; started listening to all the whispers of THE DRAFT. Everyone says run, they call your number and you're dead. The problem with being a number is that, after you weasel out of yours, the next guy catches your fate. For your own reasons, you have just handed your destiny to someone else who may not be as smart or sharp or quick or damn lucky as you are. Someone who might not come back to thank you later. Someone who you'd never forget about.

And what of war widows and war orphans and war mothers and the untold number of people whose lives will be affected by war? I realized that if the situation escalated to the point of a draft, something big had to be going on; great gears would be in motion. If I made it back with most of me intact, I might be a little more crazy or suffer from exotic medical problems, but I'd have that orange squeeky chew toy of having "done the right thing", something invaluable to some of us.

A draft means that men have a fate sent to them in a pretty little envelope. As mortal creatures, our fates are all the same, only arriving to all sooner or later in various shapes and packages. Who says you won't get killed by a car the day after you dodge THE DRAFT and "escape death"? People have little faith in life these days. Living people made the stories that you hear today.

Take ownership of your life; reach for that orange squeeky toy.
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Posted 1/13/07

henz_lan wrote:

Please note "The Times" is quite a centrist paper, it used to lean to the right but has been shifting along with the general public.
I would in general trust it, however newspapers have the aim of selling well, so they will readily exagerate to try to make things sound good to read.



yep, it's very much opposed to the bush administration it reads more like editorial and propaganda now, but as roy confirmed, the 15% estimate they gave is not unrealistc.

mauz, sorry for screwing the page and thanks for editing my earlier post.
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Posted 1/16/07
Conscription is wrong on so many levels. Any government that forces its population into the armed forces is no short of barbaric and has no place in the civilized world.

Just as worrying is that there are people who join the armed forces by their own choice. I cannot understand how someone in this day and age would happily be killed, or even worse, kill for the concept of 'country'.
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Posted 1/16/07
I also think that conscription is wrong. U should not force your citizens to join your army. It is also bad for the economy, because if most of your work force has been drafted then who is left to produce for the country? If you don't have enough people in the army then mabey you should re-think your strategy and make due with what you have. Its not right to force people to join the army, get put through hell in boot camp. and then be forced to fight and be stationed in hazardus areas. Not to mention forcing them to give up their jobs and lives back home.
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Posted 1/16/07
is it a good idea no , If each state were to decide for them selves to draft people it could or would cause separation problems, in that you would have some that may be for it, while others would be against it. There by creating a whole new set of problems, not to mention the freedom of choice would be taken away.
Posted 1/16/07

caleb99999 wrote:

is it a good idea no , If each state were to decide for them selves to draft people it could or would cause separation problems, in that you would have some that may be for it, while others would be against it. There by creating a whole new set of problems, not to mention the freedom of choice would be taken away.


States pushing for individual drafting rights goes against the basic organizations of our government, being that states deal with local and potentially national issues while the federal government is the only one that can act internationally. I agree that this would weaken the union.
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Posted 1/16/07
ummmm i don't think forced conscription is gonna be that much of an issue in the US. the US armed forces is not even that flexed up yet anyway.

maybe countries who force conscription and one year service see it as a character building exercise for its young men? maybe they think they're giving something? i'm not sure, maybe some spine, a bit of physical training so no one gets to become a couch potato *coughuscough* , maybe a chance to see if one has leadership potential?

i still say conscription is a valid option for those facing extermination (i.e. World War). its always been there and always will be.

unless we make machine soldiers. then we'll be overrun by Cylons!
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Posted 1/26/08
conscripting is undemocratic,so if it is a democratic country,it'll be highly hypocritical on their part
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Posted 1/26/08
drafting is stupid, their basically forcing ppl into a battle dat doesnt have anything to do with them. no1 likes a meaningless fight. wat r da benefits? yea yea.. im sure comming back with some missing limbs or coming back in a body bag is a good thing
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Posted 1/26/08
In my opinion drafting isn't a good idea. It just forced unwilling men into something they didn't choose, and I don't think that'd make for a very good soldier. If anything it would make for an resentful and unhappy one. Not exactly the kind of guy you want fighting for you country right?

Not to mention it would be extremely troublesome to families. Many families still live under the traditional form of "man makes majority of money, woman takes care of household". If you take away the money maker, suddenly the woman is forced to do both jobs. It's possible for her of course, single mothers have been doing it for years, but is it fair to impose that type of life on the family as well? Even if the man being drafted was single, it would completely interrupt his career. Imagine hearing you got promoted to General Manager, and then being told you had to join the army -_- I'd be pissed.

An example of this, that I have is South Korea. They still have mandatory military training for men. I only know of celebrity examples, like Gong Yoo (KActor) recently who decided to do his, but after 2 years (I believe the training is 2 years long) will anyone even remember him? Talk about interrupting a career? Now we only hear about the celebrity cases, but I'm sure that happens a lot to the young men who go serve their training time.
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Posted 1/26/08

bellus-vae wrote:


henz_lan wrote:

There was a request for a "serious" thread.

So...

Should countries enforce conscription?

I believe not, verging on the edge of being a pacifist; I think it will create nationalist nations in which Nazi-esque feelings are fostered (such as Switzerland).
I know people from a few places where conscription is enforced, my german friends have claimed a mix of mental disorders, judaism and homosexuality (faked) in order to be exempt from doing a year in the Forces. In their view it takes too much time out of your life when you could be getting on and getting a job or qualifications.
A russian friend of mine is scared of being drafted, the russian army is litterally a prison sentence for a year! The conscripts are (apparently, according the Economist Newspaper) forced to steal by their superiors in order to survive.

Anyway, that's enough of my opinion, now it's your turn...



Conscripts....
That just shows, that "Freedom" is nothing but a blissful dream.


it just shows that freedom isnt free. switzerland does it because they are surrounded on all sides and they are a neutral country. i wouldnt think the german army would be all that hard. i'd go for a year. the russian army is a different matter, keep me the hell away from the russian army. i ve met some russians who are in canada until they are conscript exempt. theyve got some crazy stories about it though.

i did 3 years in the CF its been 3 years since ive been out and i never regret doing it. i had shitloads of fun and learned so much about the world. it also ruined action movies for me cause i know how ridiculous they are.

edit: oh yeah, draft. yes under the right circumstances. like swizterland. no if your country doesnt need it. definetely not for something like the Iraq "war"
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Posted 1/26/08
istead of drafting, lets do something about "equal rights" and give women the chance to serve in the frontlines (legally they can't serve as actual troops on the front lines, if anybody does policy debate wombat)
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Posted 1/26/08
I am against the draft. I think military service should all be voluntary. I am also against the piece of legislation forcing all men in America to sign a document stating that they will serve America in an emergency (if they don't sign it many people refuse to hire them). Besides being sexist. this also goes against the beliefs and practices of many people and their religious views (quakers, buddists, etc).
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Posted 1/26/08
That isn't very good for the country's militay defense~
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Posted 1/26/08
i reckon no i mean for some it might be a life changing experience then again for others it's a prison in something they don't wanna b a part of, and the fact of forcing people to go there is a reason why we have our rights......
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