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Logic, is it real or not?
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Posted 1/14/07
phyro maybe you should change your argument to "people can be a bit dim sometimes" rather than "logic is false" because it's kind of obvious you don't know what logic is.
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i know what f***ing logic is. i use to run my life by it until it recked my life and i saw that logic can not prove anything. tell me with logic why the earth is where it is and how it got to that point. tell me why the human body works the way it does. logic is unable to prove any of this. the whole point of this topic was to show that you need to let go of logic in order to figure out the most important questions in life. the logically answer to any question is the safest one. but u can't go with the safest answer all the time b/c u will end up doing nothing in ur life.
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Acer2110 wrote:

you ever hear of gravity? The 240 man could be taller and the 150 has a lower center of gravity therefor he could more the taller man...yea I used logic to decide that I've also used logic to decide that your not all there...


how does that answer the question

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^ are you Pat Roberson?
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My God this thread is :(. The main problem is that you know just about jack about logic.

Logic is often defined as the organized body of knowledge, or science, that evaluates arguments. If you want to go by strict logical criteria, an argument must have premises with lead to a conclusion via rules of inference. Simply, logic is the study of correct reasoning.

Your argument that bumblees are not able to fly because their body is too big and their wings too small is a good example of poor reasoning. At a very basic level it might make sense to look at things that way, but it is simply not a correct inference. Strictly speaking, logic does not say anything about whether bumblees can fly or not, but helps us to figure out why they can fly.

On the flight of bumblebees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumble_bee#Flight
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Yea your not trying to prove logic wrong your trying to prove science wrong the human body works because of electricity I'm not sure how someone can look it up but yea thats why when you die they shock you with the paddles to get your heart going again.
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this will be my final post in this topic. i am not giving it up. i am just tired of fighting a battle that will never end. This is my final statement. Love. Logic shows that it can not happen. Logic shows that the only reason for a man to love a woman is b/c she is in the prime for repoducing. tell me why is it that u can love some one if they are unable to reproduce. b/c according to logic that is impossible.

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Posted 1/14/07
muscle mass, footing, where they stand, center of gravity. logically, the 240 lb man could move the 150 lb man in IDEAL CONDITIONS FOR HIM...but if it is not ideal conditions, logic shows that either outcome is possible due to the variable. now, if the 240 man is moved, with the same shoes, footing, gravity, height, and muscle to body fat %, then logically the 240lb man would not be moved, unless the 150 man put more force behind his push. the inertia would do more pushing. a 150lb man moving 10 mph has FAR more power that a 240lb man standing still.

a bee logically flies because 1. they are incredibly lightweight 2. their wings are shaped in 2 sets, in order to get the most lift pushing down, and the least drag pulling up. also, a bees energy is not like our own, how much energy does it take you move your fingers typing this? to blink your eyes? to sit there and fly for a short period is likely an equivalent amount. and again, you are speaking of physics, which is not logic. physics are logical, but logic is a thing of the mind, physics always stand. a person who is illogical still has to live by the laws of physics...thinking that god exists, aliens abduct people and 9/11 was the government doesn't then make you defy gravity...your inertia remains the same as when you were logical.

phyro, you have been disproven several time. may i give you a bit of a suggestion from one argumentative person to another? put the shovel down.

edit: love is not logical in its entirety, but it is a chemical balance in the brain to create reproduction, and a longer life. people who are alone die at a much younger age. people who have loved ones survive longer. people who have a spouse or significant other and family and friends live to be the longest, usually. love is one thing that keeps us out of harms way. we may do illogical things DUE to love, but the love itself is logical
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phyro989 wrote:

this will be my final post in this topic. i am not giving it up. i am just tired of fighting a battle that will never end. This is my final statement. Love. Logic shows that it can not happen. Logic shows that the only reason for a man to love a woman is b/c she is in the prime for repoducing. tell me why is it that u can love some one if they are unable to reproduce. b/c according to logic that is impossible.

^they shock u with paddles to restart ur heart.

this isn't so much logic as it is one theory of why people are attracted to other people. I'm sure that it's true in some very very tiny regard, but how do you explain the gays? There's no uterus there.
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Firstly.
Logic excists.
Seconly.
Q:What is logic?
A: Logic can be translated into the following:
- the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
- a particular method of reasoning or argumentation
- the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study
- reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions
- convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness

Q: Can i dissaprove oranges, by useing apples?
A: No you cannot, one does not cross out the other. since they are not polar opposites.

Q: Can i prove logic isint real by useing logic?
A: No you cannot.

Q: WHY!?!?
A: Because by useing it you acknowledge its excistance thus it excists thus you cnnot force it not to.

Q: Can i ruin my life at 17?
A: Unless you did something reeeeeaaaally stupid, you cannot.
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Here is a concise introduction to logic aimed at beginners.
http://www.galilean-library.org/int4.html
Posted 1/14/07
isn't the learning of logic illogical...shouldn't logic logically be known? logic is logical, and logic uses common sense, which is logically common...to be illogical means you have no logic, or common sense, which is entirely illogical, to know no logic.
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i do think that logic and commone sense are two different things.
Common Sense: A sense of how things should/are done in society, its relative to how you were raised.
Logic: The reasoning behind fact.
2+2=4.
If you have A and nothing else then its impossible for you to have B.

Hence even if your an extremely logical person you may lack common sense.
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haddon wrote:

isn't the learning of logic illogical...shouldn't logic logically be known? logic is logical, and logic uses common sense, which is logically common...to be illogical means you have no logic, or common sense, which is entirely illogical, to know no logic.


hmm yes and no, we all have logic inside our brains, but we need to learn how to properly use it. The aim of logic is to develop a system of methods & principles that we can use as.....criteria for evaluating arguments and as a guide to construct arguments of your own.

An argument basically is a group of statements, one or more of which (the premises)
are claimed to support or prove one f the other statements (the conclusion)
A statement is a sentence that is either true or false.
ex: mauz15 is awesome --- True
haddon is awesome ---- False

Never confuse explanations with arguments either, while arguments have premises and a conclusion, explanations have explanans which claim to shed light on the explanandum which is the accepted fact.

A deductive argument is an argument that in which the arguer claims it's impossible for the conclusion to be false given that the premises are true. On the other hand inductive arguments are arguments in which the arguer claims is Improbable that the conclusion is false given that the premises are true, in these arguments conclusion follows only probably from the premises.
This means deductive arguments are those that involve necessary reasoning, while inductive involve probabilistic reasoning.

Deductive arguments are either valid or invalid; valid arguments are either sound or unsound.
Inductive arguments are either strong or weak; strong arguments are ether cogent or uncogent

And I give up on this thread, pretty sad really.
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I believe that logic exists, but it is limited. It is like a leash that we are tied to. We are spinning around the pole that it is tied to.

What if there is a level of understanding that goes beyond logic and reasoning? Not everything has to make sense right? Not everything has to have an explanation right? I think logic is as futile as deciding at which point the east becomes the west.

I know you are probably saying, "didn't you use logic to come up with that crazy theory?"

Well yes I did. This is because our mind is limited and we have no other sense other than logic. We are like blind men trying to figure out what an elephant is just by touching. (I really love that analogy). Some people say it is like a spear after feeling the tusks. Others say that it is like a rope after feeling the tail. Yet others say it is like a snake after holding the trunk.
Although each is partly in the right, all are in the wrong. This is because we do not have the power to judge.
There is one legitamate answer to all questions. This is the wisest answer that I have heard in my entire life. The answer is...................:

I DON'T KNOW
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