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Posted 4/21/08
Not that anything is wrong with using them.

He can use however many he feels like it.

We're just saying that if he wants to truly be a unique and innovative producer, then that title requires that he makes some more of his own stuff.
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did any one hear about Polow da Don using pre made beats to make Ushers "Love in the Club"?

so kid exposed him on youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2k3pv5sNEk
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Posted 4/21/08

crasyjak wrote:

did any one hear about Polow da Don using pre made beats to make Ushers "Love in the Club"?

so kid exposed him on youtube

http://youtube.com/watch?v=V2k3pv5sNEk


i knew that was pre-made I am not surprised at all.....because for one it sounded like a techno/trance song.......so I already knew it was made from pre made beats like everybody elses........there is no originality in Hip Hop anymore and because you don't know a song doesn't mean it wasn't made.............and Kanye barely pays for rights to the songs he samples...............he probably a person who searches out old songs just to sample them........pathetic.......
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Posted 4/22/08

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You keep bitchin' about how many times Kanye uses samples, raja? You've obviously forgotten about the muthafucka that made sampling an obsession in hip hop....................



Awwww indeed..........I forgot about P.Diddy but you know he barely makes music anymore.........But still either way
Kanyes first album 15 out 21 tracks sampled.........2nd album 17 out of 21(including bonus tracks) 3rd album 12 out of 13! This isn't originality this is copy and paste with a dash of seasoning.......and its something new? Its kinda like taking 5 day leftover meatloaf chopping it up and putting it in spaghetti.


gross (at spaghetti idea). i know a couple people who actually do that, haha.
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Posted 4/22/08
i just listened to pulling me back and I realized dupri sampled Rain by SWV (who sampled their beat from Jaco Pastorius' Portrait of Tracy) its a sample of a sample
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SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????
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Posted 4/22/08

crasyjak wrote:

SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????


Noooooo! Thats not my point at all I could care less how old they are..........just don't say you're changing the game and being original..............
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Posted 4/22/08
I'm kinda leaning towards Raja's side on this one.
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Posted 4/23/08

raja613 wrote:


crasyjak wrote:

SO do u think there should be a certain amount of time in between (say 5-10 yrs) between when the original song is made & when the sample is used????


Noooooo! Thats not my point at all I could care less how old they are..........just don't say you're changing the game and being original..............


but the fact of the matter is they are changin the game... its just i a way that full circle.
If Lil wayne started using a blend of Salsa beats w/ heavy baselines... the sound would be something new & different... not what the GENERAL hiphop audience is accustomed to hearing, not only from the specific artist, but from ALL artists in general.

ONCE the shit starts catchin on w/ other rappers THEN they Can say... that they changed the game... so yeah... Kanye has contributed to changing the producer aspect of hiphop... not only is he using the samples... but he is venturing out to fuck wit other genres more than most...
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So now rap is going to be about stealing samples or sounds from other genres and mixing it together and be considered original...........????? Hip Hop then will just be a conglomeration of musical genres meaning it has no specific sound if it can be confused with the genres that its "jazzing" up.................
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raja613 wrote:

So now rap is going to be about stealing samples or sounds from other genres and mixing it together and be considered original...........????? Hip Hop then will just be a conglomeration of musical genres meaning it has no specific sound if it can be confused with the genres that its "jazzing" up.................



well hip hop has been that way for a while now.... ppl used to just hide the truth, but we've become more educated now & wackass ppl are getting exposed so.... i still dont see what the prob is w/ samples.... in 20-30 yrs someone will be sampling whats hot now...
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Big J has made a GOOD POINT! I mean you can't really do remixes anymore because Diddy maxed out their popularity before their time...at least I think that. Now all songs with just the instruments are remixed before the artist gets on the track, original or sampled. I mean remember this...2001.



AND he's planing on releasing vol. 2 this year. Remember all those remix albums from Destiny's Child to Jennifer Lopez, all those CDs were selling like hot cakes. I do like the sampling, but producers need to also have the talent to make their beats from scratch. Producers also need to stop making everything on the computer and use REAL ACTUAL INSTRUMENTS on their tracks. The last time I heard them were on Beyonce's B-DAY album.
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Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.
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Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.


Good point.

Someone tried to tell me that Hip Hop wasn't original and that all it does it take old songs and remakes them.

I told him that rock is the exact same way, AND they do it verbatim.

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Polaris7 wrote:

Not to mention that in the early days of Hip Hop, Rap songs were first sampled from rock music. I mean LL Cool J's early hits, RUN DMC, the list goes on. It been done since the beginning. However, I can see how at that time, producers didn't just sample their whole catalog, they had original beats that were just as good as the ones that they sample. I mean even Rock music has sampled music from Africa and didn't even know it. You all Queen's song, "We Will Rock You," beat actually came from a tribe, from Sub-Saharan Africa that's has been played traditionally for years and years before there was Rock and there was Queen.


Good point.

Someone tried to tell me that Hip Hop wasn't original and that all it does it take old songs and remakes them.

I told him that rock is the exact same way, AND they do it verbatim.



I supprisingly learned this in my music class when a former student came in and showed us some stuff.
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