Post Reply For those members who are religious, why do you believe in a god?
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Seeing how we already have a thread addressing why people became Atheists or Agnostics, it'll be interesting to view the other side of the specrum and hear from religious members why they are steadfast in their faith or whatnot. So for those of you who are religious, why?

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Oh, my-this is an interesting thread. I’m not sure how comfortable I am expressing my beliefs in a group for people who undoubtedly think I’m a bleeding nut. Well, whatever the case, I’m an interesting entity in this nature, or…at least an oddity. I like to say I’m interesting, but perhaps fickle in history would be a better term.

Well, I was born into a family where religion was present, but not a big thing. My parents used it to make me behave, but it was otherwise absent in our life. I despised that. At school I was also taunted by religious children who used religion to tell me how inferior and how evil I was. At one point I was told that I was going to hell for believing evolution. (Bare in mind, I’m talking elementary and early middle school right now.) At another I was called an evil faggot for being raped.

Needless to say I was convinced religion was just a tool to make people feel bad. I hated God, and disbelieved in him out of choice because of that hatred. Yes, I chose to disbelieve, and I became incredibly miserable because of that.

Well, a while later I began to learn about some of the basic laws of science and principles of logic. I learned that -every- great contributor to modern science was religious, passionate, and poetic-instead of the cold, clinical, “free-minded,” atheists that I expected. This didn’t convert me, but it did sooth my hatred, and it did clam me. I came from nihilistic atheist to ambivalent agnostic. I was probably leaning toward religion at this point.

I later went to church with my grandmother, to spend time with her, and to get in good with her. I was saved that day, after personal experiences that I’d rather not go into. They’re private, but I can say I continued going to that church and experienced many more life-changing things.

Since then my life has straightened out a lot. I mean, a whole lot. I’m no longer miserable or depressed, I’m not going out and picking fights or getting into trouble, I’ve become a good citizen and a hard-working student. I’ve got great ambitions and mighty aspiration.

Whatever Christianity is, the divine way or no, it changed my life. It made things better or me, brought me happiness, and I find it logically sound…on extremely close scrutiny.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

Oh, my-this is an interesting thread. I’m not sure how comfortable I am expressing my beliefs in a group for people who undoubtedly think I’m a bleeding nut. Well, whatever the case, I’m an interesting entity in this nature, or…at least an oddity. I like to say I’m interesting, but perhaps fickle in history would be a better term.

Well, I was born into a family where religion was present, but not a big thing. My parents used it to make me behave, but it was otherwise absent in our life. I despised that. At school I was also taunted by religious children who used religion to tell me how inferior and how evil I was. At one point I was told that I was going to hell for believing evolution. (Bare in mind, I’m talking elementary and early middle school right now.) At another I was called an evil faggot for being raped.

Needless to say I was convinced religion was just a tool to make people feel bad. I hated God, and disbelieved in him out of choice because of that hatred. Yes, I chose to disbelieve, and I became incredibly miserable because of that.

Well, a while later I began to learn about some of the basic laws of science and principles of logic. I learned that -every- great contributor to modern science was religious, passionate, and poetic-instead of the cold, clinical, “free-minded,” atheists that I expected. This didn’t convert me, but it did sooth my hatred, and it did clam me. I came from nihilistic atheist to ambivalent agnostic. I was probably leaning toward religion at this point.

I later went to church with my grandmother, to spend time with her, and to get in good with her. I was saved that day, after personal experiences that I’d rather not go into. They’re private, but I can say I continued going to that church and experienced many more life-changing things.

Since then my life has straightened out a lot. I mean, a whole lot. I’m no longer miserable or depressed, I’m not going out and picking fights or getting into trouble, I’ve become a good citizen and a hard-working student. I’ve got great ambitions and mighty aspiration.

Whatever Christianity is, the divine way or no, it changed my life. It made things better or me, brought me happiness, and I find it logically sound…on extremely close scrutiny.


Seraph, I think you're hardly a "bleeding nut." I believe you're quite level headed and a reasoanble person. Whoever labeled you like that need to get their head out of their ass.

*Nods head* I guess it's a reasonable, quite legit reason to believe in God(Though I'm sorry to say that it's still not based on facts. Oh well.)

I guess my only other critique is that you seem to imply that atheists don't believe in hope and are apathetic because they don't have religion to give them feelings of optimism. Believe me, not all atheists are unhappy, devil-worshiping or apathetic. I've known atheist who are hopefull and found meaning in their lives even without religion. Not everyone needed religion to give them hope.

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QuasimodoSunday wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:

Oh, my-this is an interesting thread. I’m not sure how comfortable I am expressing my beliefs in a group for people who undoubtedly think I’m a bleeding nut. Well, whatever the case, I’m an interesting entity in this nature, or…at least an oddity. I like to say I’m interesting, but perhaps fickle in history would be a better term.



Seraph, I think you're hardly a "bleeding nut." I believe you're quite level headed and a reasoanble person. Whoever labeled you like that need to get their head out of their ass.




I have to agree with Quasi-Sun, in my "dealings" with you Seraph, i've never imagined you as a nut-case or a illogical person. The way your present your words, and yourself has always been, to me, a truthfully careing person, that has been beaten down and hurt along the way, in his life.

Another thing i would like to mention; it's just something i've been noticing in my advanced age (25) is that there is nothing more cold and cruel than a child to another child.
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Well, thank you both for your understanding and comments. Err…

@Quasi:

I didn’t mean to suggests anything about anyone but myself, Quasi. This thread is for personal discussion, so I discussed things from personal perception. I have no idea what other atheist are like on the surface. I do, however, know that atheism led me to hopelessness, anxiety, distance, misery, manic episodes, and chronic depression. However, I also believe that there are plenty of wonderful, kind, and happy atheists out there.

As far as my argument based on facts? No, it’s not-I don’t believe you can prove or disprove religion. However, I don’t believe that we need to absolutely prove everything before we believe it. There are some things you can safely assume. Do you believe in Alexander the Great? That belief is worthy of respect because there is a great deal of evidence suggesting he existed. However, it’s not a fact.

I request/suggest you go to my blog and read my post on Religious Atheism. Here, I’ll post the URL.

http://religiousgenocide.blogspot.com/

Whatever the case, I’d rather not argue this-if it’s okay with you. I came in here not to debate my beliefs, but simply to explain my experiences in life.

@Jol

Thank you very much for your comments, both of you.

Well, Jol, I agree. Children can be incredibly cruel. I think the major reason for this is because they don’t really relate to people outside them-except perhaps their family. They don’t really seem to understand the pain-be it emotional, mental, or physical-of others.
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SeraphAlford wrote:

Oh, my-this is an interesting thread. I’m not sure how comfortable I am expressing my beliefs in a group for people who undoubtedly think I’m a bleeding nut. Well, whatever the case, I’m an interesting entity in this nature, or…at least an oddity. I like to say I’m interesting, but perhaps fickle in history would be a better term.

Well, I was born into a family where religion was present, but not a big thing. My parents used it to make me behave, but it was otherwise absent in our life. I despised that. At school I was also taunted by religious children who used religion to tell me how inferior and how evil I was. At one point I was told that I was going to hell for believing evolution. (Bare in mind, I’m talking elementary and early middle school right now.) At another I was called an evil faggot for being raped.

Needless to say I was convinced religion was just a tool to make people feel bad. I hated God, and disbelieved in him out of choice because of that hatred. Yes, I chose to disbelieve, and I became incredibly miserable because of that.

Well, a while later I began to learn about some of the basic laws of science and principles of logic. I learned that -every- great contributor to modern science was religious, passionate, and poetic-instead of the cold, clinical, “free-minded,” atheists that I expected. This didn’t convert me, but it did sooth my hatred, and it did clam me. I came from nihilistic atheist to ambivalent agnostic. I was probably leaning toward religion at this point.

I later went to church with my grandmother, to spend time with her, and to get in good with her. I was saved that day, after personal experiences that I’d rather not go into. They’re private, but I can say I continued going to that church and experienced many more life-changing things.

Since then my life has straightened out a lot. I mean, a whole lot. I’m no longer miserable or depressed, I’m not going out and picking fights or getting into trouble, I’ve become a good citizen and a hard-working student. I’ve got great ambitions and mighty aspiration.

Whatever Christianity is, the divine way or no, it changed my life. It made things better or me, brought me happiness, and I find it logically sound…on extremely close scrutiny.


You remind me of myself but I took a different path. Basically, I'm emotionally distant and indifferent to pretty much everything. Well at least nothing can hurt me now.

It doesn't matter if we're right or wrong in this matter. Its how much faith we're willing to have in the things we believe in.
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