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Gundam Seed - The Movie!!
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Posted 2/15/07

moomoo wrote:

Kira isnt only the directors favorite but also the viewers, i swear to god if its the same time fram and they kill him im gonna go crazy, he does lose, but doesnt die that goes along with the ultimate coordinator storyline, and shinn suks period.


Actually, he wouldn't lose, he'd end up taking down Arthrun in the process. You see they both have to die if the movie wants to follow Char's Counter Attack.

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nice nice a movie. always wanted to know what happened to shin and kira.
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Despite my absolute adoration of all that is both Universal Century and Amuro, Amuro did loose.

But you have to dive into Gundam Formula-91, Victory Gundam, and Turn A Gundam to get the proof.

The battle of Amuro and Char wasn't about the Sazabi and Nu. It was about empathy and evolution.

Granted, Char didn't win either. Both of them were wrong. But Char was less wrong overall.
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How was Char less wrong? The man's philosophy (if you can call it that) was just absolutely insane. How is empathy not the answer?
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I just remember someting stupid you know in Gundam seed when it was like last 2 eps where they tryed to stop Arthun's dad from firin Gensis. Well yea it was kind of stupid how Lacus actived her Seed thing and she was just sitting on the ship. I can understand Kira, Arthun and Cagalli with the seed while fighting but come on Lacus just sittin there
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As I said, look to Gundam Formula 91, Victory Gundam, and most specificly Turn A Gundam.

Char's theory was not insane at a base. It was genocidal through practice.

Amuro's theory lent too much towards the human faith factor. Empathy and understading is the way of the newtype. I cannot deny that. However, Amuro put too much stock in humanity. Char himself had faith in humanity, but believed they needed a kickstart to begin the process of healing the earth.

Both men believed the same thing. That the earth needed a time to rest. Amuro wanted mankind to live in peace and find a way for that to happen. Char was a realist in that, mankind cannot live in peace and thusly he must force man to leave earth so it can rest. That was what Axis was all about.

The true heart of Daikun Zeon's vision was to temporarily rid the earth of man and put them into space. Of course, his vision was not to do so by force but by diplomacy. After Casval/Char exacted his revenge on the Zabi family, his natural course of action was to follow in the footsteps of his father's vision. In all reality, it wasn't Char's plan at all but his fathers. Char just upped the ante after he realized his father's way wasn't going to work given the emperical nature of man.

Before his death, Amuro said he following: "I have a little more faith in humanity." This was in reference to Char's statements that he did not believe it was in Humanity's grasp to quit fighting and push for the restoration of earth and space.At tht time, nobody knew who was right in their overall belief system.

But Tomino graced us with 3 more installments via the visual medium. Those were Gundam F-91, Victory Gundam, and most importantly - Turn A Gundam. Not to mention the miriad of various -on paper- variants such as Gundam Sentinel, Hathaway's Flash, and Crossbone Gundam to name a few.

Mankind kept on fighting and destroying the earth.

Now, there was an advent to the whole plan. A convergence point where both methods crossed. And that was with the introduction of the Turn A Gundam (and the Turn X) through their Moonlight Butterfly systems.

hrough their fighting and hatred, they destroyed all technology on the planet. Forcing mankind to move back to a more simple way of life that was far less damaging. But war kept happening despite that very fact.

Hence why it's generally accepted that Char's way (while not really righteous) was the least wrong way.

Another granted was that if Char was successful in his Axis attempt that earthnoids would simply move their fight to space. Running all of their battles via the moon bases. But that's prime Zeon territory. With earth 'gone' the EF would loose a huge portion of their battle capability and would be forced to surrender. In the end, a more direct resolution to both men's desire would have been ascertained. Because regardless of how much mankind fought in space, it would be cumbersome and irrational to go back to earth to resume fighting given the environment that would have come from it.

Again, in the end, Char was less wrong than Amuro. I'm not insinuating that Amuro was so wrong that he might as well have never fought. His stance was incredibly important to this entire drone'ish explanation. Because, again, the core of newtype is empathy and the human factor. But the insertion of the newtype factor after CCA turned it into more of a tool of war instead of a political oversight attribute like it was utilized in the prior series.

I will say that Char was insane in his implementation. But if you look at logic and the options presented, I would have come to the same conclusion if I were in his shoes. I would have to make earth uninhabitable so it might have time to restore and repair. And push to leave earth's gravity to the confines of that ever expanding space.

Char was about the evolution of the species. Amuro was about the personal evolution of the individual.




On note of Lacus going "Seed-Mode" during the end of the first series, I can best sum it up as follows:

Seed mode is not like going Super Saijin or aything like that. It's not necessarily like tapping some hidden void of power to beat the badguy. Seed mode (as we see it visually represented) is nothing more than a moment in time where a critical and pivotal event is taking place and the individual included (and influenced by the seed) is commiting to an act that is directly steering the situation.

It was explained in the series that those who carry the Seed and are able to utilize it are those that will shape the future. It wasn't so much that power tapping attribute as I said as it was moreso a point where all becomes clear to he user. They are able to see time on a more clear scale and the necessary actions to get to the goal they wish.

those like Kira, Athrun, and Shinn used it more often because the immediate need for it rose again and again. As a pilot you are the immediate tool of battle and thusly, the outcome toward the future. But Lacus wasn't a pilot, she was a politician (and even ship commander.) The sum of it all was to indicate that Lacus had finally hit an apex where she was in control of the future through her own means. As well as to include her as a critical member of said collective.

Honestly, Lacus could go 'Seed-mode' while in a PLANT council meeting where the stakes are high.

And it was for dramatic effect and flare. If that explanation makes you feel more at ease.
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Marado: I think I'm starting to see what you mean now. Basically the idea is that humanity (given the power to colonize space) should take its more advanced technology to space where it can do less harm. Meanwhile, there should be relatively little advanced technological activity going on on Earth in order not to damage its fragile ecosystem.

The only problem that I can see with this is that colonists would still have to get their water supply from Earth (at least in the earlier stages of colonization) or else face having to cycle through the same water supply over and over again.
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Not necessarily. The EF and Zeon both had (during the early UC timeframe) advanced space fleets which went out into space to harvest resources. One such fleet was the Jupiter Energy Fleet which Paptimus Sirrocco was assigned to. Their job was to go to Jupiter to harvest the precious resource Helium 3 for use in Minovsky reactors and weponry.

I'll have to pull up the documentation that states the time it would take for them to go, harvest, and return. But it's proof enough that they could expediately travel as far as Jupiter to harvest. Which means they had access to the asteroid belt even sooner.

That's just an example though. There were also other fleets. One such fleets name eludes me but was made mention of in one of the novels. It's job was to harvest water from ice in space.

A large granted though is that Earth's population was enormous. To harvest enough usable water from space would be tenuous at best.


In the end though, it wouldn't be too much of an issue if Axis had fallen. It would make the planet uninhabitable. But it wouldn't make it impossible for teams to go down and harvest water. Also, given the high degree of self sustainability each bunch of colonies had amongst one another, they could actually survive for some time off of cycled water.
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oh my god.. if there is a gundam seed movie im gonna be the 1st one in to watch it!!! lol.. i love gundam
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I don't know about the movie but I thought that there will be a third installment of Gundam seed called Eternity...
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Posted 4/13/07

blind51de wrote:

SHIN'S COUNTERATTACK : Until he is single handedly defeated along with his entire fleet by just Kira.


really? i wish it was, i'd love to see kira pwn shin and his fleet. does ne1 know when it's coming out?
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Posted 4/14/07
y did cagalli went into seed mode? isnt she juz a natural?
i hope there isnt a new main character, cos e main character onli belongs 2 kira
when i saw gsd 4 e 1st time, i was mad tt e story focuses on shinn, until e 2nd half where kira finally took over as e lead - 3 cheers for kira
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i dont remember cagalli ever going into "seed mode". but what is with that seed thing anyways? when Kira did it i thought because he was supposed to be the ultimate coordinator, but then Athrun and Shinn both did it too.And it cant just be because they were extremely emotional and were trying to stay alive to protect something and they just snapped, cuz then alot of other coordinators would be Seeding too since im sure they want to protect stuff and not die too
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Posted 4/14/07
What!? There's more!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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Wow Marato you really thought that through; but as for the movie,while I hope I'm wrong, I doubt that one would be made and it stays as nothing more than a rumor
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