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Homosexuals and the Prom
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Homosexuality is a Sin and it makes to much dangerous emotions that is more intense than Normal relationships.


I love it when people say stuff like this because it shows just how weak their understanding of God is.

So, Sulla, I'm going to assume that you are some form of Christian. So I'm going to ask you this.

Christian doctrine states that God is infalliable. Science tells us that homosexuality is a physiological predisposition...not a lifestyle choice. Since God created humans in His own image, saying that homosexuality is wrong, is basically saying that God has made a mistake. Which, as stated above, is impossible since he cannot be wrong.

The viewpoint that homosexuality is a sin is a human invention. That idea was created by human minds which are by their very nature fallible.

And before you call me so heretical pagan, I'd just like to say that I'm Catholic. And MY God doesn't hate his children, so why should you.


Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?
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Should Homosexual couples be allowed to the Prom?

I say No,

I am Eternal

Round Number 2

The original thread had been locked, due non PG 13 reponces. Oh well but was cleared to be remade.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-174898/Homosexuals-at-the-Prom.html?pg=8#9823829


why not? They are just like any other human beings and need the respect and dignity of being treated like one. Oh and anyone who uses the "the school can't protect them form homophobic violence" excuse should know that that's just avoiding the problem and letting hatred grow.
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Sulla wrote:

Should Homosexual couples be allowed to the Prom?

I say No,

I am Eternal

Round Number 2

The original thread had been locked, due non PG 13 reponces. Oh well but was cleared to be remade.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-174898/Homosexuals-at-the-Prom.html?pg=8#9823829


why not? They are just like any other human beings and need the respect and dignity of being treated like one. Oh and anyone who uses the "the school can't protect them form homophobic violence" excuse should know that that's just avoiding the problem and letting hatred grow.


Why not? see my other posts like the ones above this one or in page 2
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starcrossed23 wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Homosexuality is a Sin and it makes to much dangerous emotions that is more intense than Normal relationships.


I love it when people say stuff like this because it shows just how weak their understanding of God is.

So, Sulla, I'm going to assume that you are some form of Christian. So I'm going to ask you this.

Christian doctrine states that God is infalliable. Science tells us that homosexuality is a physiological predisposition...not a lifestyle choice. Since God created humans in His own image, saying that homosexuality is wrong, is basically saying that God has made a mistake. Which, as stated above, is impossible since he cannot be wrong.

The viewpoint that homosexuality is a sin is a human invention. That idea was created by human minds which are by their very nature fallible.

And before you call me so heretical pagan, I'd just like to say that I'm Catholic. And MY God doesn't hate his children, so why should you.


Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?


Eating pigs is also sin in the old testament. Do you like pork? One thing that Jesus preached is that you don't follow the old laws because they are laws. You follow them to show love to other people. That's why his actions in not following the sabbath were right

Even if homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't you show love rather than hatred? Also many ideas about homosexuality were warped by the times. For example Sodom was more about rape than homosexuality. Sure the angels were male, but they were also guests and the hebrews had huge moral standards of how to treat guests. In the end Lot offered his daughters. Like that's any better

Pauls letters on homosexuality were actually addressing pedophilia. Back in that times many Romans would take a boy as an apprentice and would teach them trades. However some were turned into a physical relationship which was predatory and unhealthy for the boy in question. That's what Paul is trying to say

Lastly, I'm a presbyterian/agnostic (I am currently unsure and I'm struggling with my faith) One of the core foundations to our belief is a script of questions and answers which I think is called the Heidelberg code though I'll have to double check. The questions list various sins in which the sinner is unrepenting and continues to sin. The question is can they get to the kingdom. The answer is no. One of the sins is homosexuality. Well there's this well known biblical scholar who's name I think is Jack Rodgers. He was told by another biblical scholar that they had an early copy of that manuscript only, homosexuality was not one of the sins. Interested he tracked down hundreds of different copies in German, Latin, English and noticed that all until the 1960s did NOT list homosexuality as one of the sins. At that point in time, the document was being revised (probably into modern language though I'm not sure) and it turns out, that the two guys who were copying it, had added it in because they thought it was a good idea, despite the fact there had been no general assembly, no vote, and no order for them to do so. They had used power that wasn't theirs to barr people from the church and now it will take a lot of energy to reverse the damage those two homophobes created. The sad thing is that most people against hommosexuals in the church say look to the oldest text. In this case they are hypocrites
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Sulla wrote:


starcrossed23 wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Homosexuality is a Sin and it makes to much dangerous emotions that is more intense than Normal relationships.


I love it when people say stuff like this because it shows just how weak their understanding of God is.

So, Sulla, I'm going to assume that you are some form of Christian. So I'm going to ask you this.

Christian doctrine states that God is infalliable. Science tells us that homosexuality is a physiological predisposition...not a lifestyle choice. Since God created humans in His own image, saying that homosexuality is wrong, is basically saying that God has made a mistake. Which, as stated above, is impossible since he cannot be wrong.

The viewpoint that homosexuality is a sin is a human invention. That idea was created by human minds which are by their very nature fallible.

And before you call me so heretical pagan, I'd just like to say that I'm Catholic. And MY God doesn't hate his children, so why should you.


Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?


Eating pigs is also sin in the old testament. Do you like pork? One thing that Jesus preached is that you don't follow the old laws because they are laws. You follow them to show love to other people. That's why his actions in not following the sabbath were right

Even if homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't you show love rather than hatred? Also many ideas about homosexuality were warped by the times. For example Sodom was more about rape than homosexuality. Sure the angels were male, but they were also guests and the hebrews had huge moral standards of how to treat guests. In the end Lot offered his daughters. Like that's any better

Pauls letters on homosexuality were actually addressing pedophilia. Back in that times many Romans would take a boy as an apprentice and would teach them trades. However some were turned into a physical relationship which was predatory and unhealthy for the boy in question. That's what Paul is trying to say

Lastly, I'm a presbyterian/agnostic (I am currently unsure and I'm struggling with my faith) One of the core foundations to our belief is a script of questions and answers which I think is called the Heidelberg code though I'll have to double check. The questions list various sins in which the sinner is unrepenting and continues to sin. The question is can they get to the kingdom. The answer is no. One of the sins is homosexuality. Well there's this well known biblical scholar who's name I think is Jack Rodgers. He was told by another biblical scholar that they had an early copy of that manuscript only, homosexuality was not one of the sins. Interested he tracked down hundreds of different copies in German, Latin, English and noticed that all until the 1960s did NOT list homosexuality as one of the sins. At that point in time, the document was being revised (probably into modern language though I'm not sure) and it turns out, that the two guys who were copying it, had added it in because they thought it was a good idea, despite the fact there had been no general assembly, no vote, and no order for them to do so. They had used power that wasn't theirs to barr people from the church and now it will take a lot of energy to reverse the damage those two homophobes created. The sad thing is that most people against hommosexuals in the church say look to the oldest text. In this case they are hypocrites


So being Presbyterian you feel you can ignore the Homosexuality is sin thing?
You are right about Pork however in Acts and in the Gospel, Jesus and God said we as Christian can eat anything we want(This can go to the extreme as the Shit Eaters who are Christians would say its alright).
So we can eat Pork, Manure, Semen, Human Bodies and Wheat. For its not what goes into a person's body but what comes out.
But there are some Sins in the Old Testament I and some I follow, Its all about what God wants a person to follow but that person should just say its a Sin but I dont care. Ends a lot of arguments. Some Christian Homosexuals do this. Or I know its a Sin but I am not called to preach against it, which also ends a lot of arguments. Truth makes things so much easier by stopping debates and starting bloodshed.

Still Homosexuality is a Sin.
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Well, why shouldn't we be allowed to prom? (yes i actually used WE.*grins* what cha' gona do about it homophobiesss?)

Homosexuals are not any less human than everyone else on this planet, if one should have a type of right because he/she is heterosexual, then the same should go for the homosexuals. If you don't like seeing homosexuals or seeing them making out - like any normal couple would do at "times".

Too bad too sad isn't it? Some of us; don't actually like to see heterosexual couples, can we ask everyone "HEY! TURN GAY! BEING STRAIGHT IS A BADDDD THING!!" no we're not asking that; so why should YOU?

'cause I don't see any legitimate reasons for doing so. =) if you're gona use the bible to tell me wrong; you're better off mocking something else, homosexuality was only briefly mentioned, even more so; its not even in the 10 commandments.


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So being Presbyterian you feel you can ignore the Homosexuality is sin thing?
You are right about Pork however in Acts and in the Gospel, Jesus and God said we as Christian can eat anything we want(This can go to the extreme as the Shit Eaters who are Christians would say its alright).
So we can eat Pork, Manure, Semen, Human Bodies and Wheat. For its not what goes into a person's body but what comes out.
But there are some Sins in the Old Testament I and some I follow, Its all about what God wants a person to follow but that person should just say its a Sin but I dont care. Ends a lot of arguments. Some Christian Homosexuals do this. Or I know its a Sin but I am not called to preach against it, which also ends a lot of arguments. Truth makes things so much easier by stopping debates and starting bloodshed.

Still Homosexuality is a Sin.


We never said homosexuality wasn't a sin did we?

So what if it is?

We can also call homosexuality GOD.

Got a problem with THAT? (since after all; its really based on the same foundations)

Just because of a three letter word you're to ban love, just because of a three letter word; you're to make thousands, no millions, suffer?

is it worth it? Use your own judgment to think.

Of course, since you're such a GREAT Christian. If I remember correctly some where in the bible (I can't find the chapter -_-; i read it some where...too lazy to find it~) er....it said that God will be the one to judge~, no you or any one else.

For the sin we make, He; Father in heaven, shall judge. So...in a way, if you believe in him, you have COMPLETELY NO RIGHT to tell us its' a SIN. =)
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i say they should be able to go together
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Well, why shouldn't we be allowed to prom? (yes i actually used WE.*grins* what cha' gona do about it homophobiesss?)

Homosexuals are not any less human than everyone else on this planet, if one should have a type of right because he/she is heterosexual, then the same should go for the homosexuals. If you don't like seeing homosexuals or seeing them making out - like any normal couple would do at "times".

Too bad too sad isn't it? Some of us; don't actually like to see heterosexual couples, can we ask everyone "HEY! TURN GAY! BEING STRAIGHT IS A BADDDD THING!!" no we're not asking that; so why should YOU?

'cause I don't see any legitimate reasons for doing so. =) if you're gona use the bible to tell me wrong; you're better off mocking something else, homosexuality was only briefly mentioned, even more so; its not even in the 10 commandments.


Nor is Incest, Child abuse or Rape is in the 10 Commandments.
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Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?



Hi there Hitler,

So what, you've only read the old testament? So you've completely ignored all of Christ's preaching of universal love and acceptance? Maybe I missed the part where Jesus said we should love one another...well all except the gays. Hey if all you're reading is the old testament, does that make you a proponent of slavery as well, because that was one argument that Southern plantation owners used to justify keeping slaves. By the way do you masturbate, because if you do....and I'm sure you'd know this...the good ol' sin of Onan. So just keep waiting for that thunderbolt to strike you down with God's wrath for spilling your seed without the intent of procreation. Basically, the Old testement has nothing to do with the true teaching of the Catholic church which is founded on the teachings of Christ.

Oh and by the way, you're whole sermon about homosexuality leading to the downfall of society. You said that the Romans restricted homosexuality...do your homework read some history, in actuality the Romans made it part of their military practice to send young warriors to the tents of the generals as sexual playthings in order to create a bond between the two men so that the younger one would be willing to die for the general. Same practices were used in Japan and China, and most other warrior societies. Oh and by the way many of the churches early popes and religious leaders acted on their homosexual urges.

As to would I accept sacraments from a gay priest...sure why not. A priest who acts on his sexual urges...so what. The only reason that priests aren't allowed to have families is because the church didn't want to give up real estate. Priests used to be allowed to marry, but since the laws allowed them to leave the property given to them by the church to their heirs, the church made it impossible. Once again another archaic belief set down by flawed humans.

I can only assume that what you really mean is if I would take a sacrament from a priest who has molested children. That answer is definately no. However you need to know that there is a very big distinction between homosexuals and pedofiles. The two do not go hand in hand.







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Sulla wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


Sulla wrote:


starcrossed23 wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Homosexuality is a Sin and it makes to much dangerous emotions that is more intense than Normal relationships.


I love it when people say stuff like this because it shows just how weak their understanding of God is.

So, Sulla, I'm going to assume that you are some form of Christian. So I'm going to ask you this.

Christian doctrine states that God is infalliable. Science tells us that homosexuality is a physiological predisposition...not a lifestyle choice. Since God created humans in His own image, saying that homosexuality is wrong, is basically saying that God has made a mistake. Which, as stated above, is impossible since he cannot be wrong.

The viewpoint that homosexuality is a sin is a human invention. That idea was created by human minds which are by their very nature fallible.

And before you call me so heretical pagan, I'd just like to say that I'm Catholic. And MY God doesn't hate his children, so why should you.


Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?


Eating pigs is also sin in the old testament. Do you like pork? One thing that Jesus preached is that you don't follow the old laws because they are laws. You follow them to show love to other people. That's why his actions in not following the sabbath were right

Even if homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't you show love rather than hatred? Also many ideas about homosexuality were warped by the times. For example Sodom was more about rape than homosexuality. Sure the angels were male, but they were also guests and the hebrews had huge moral standards of how to treat guests. In the end Lot offered his daughters. Like that's any better

Pauls letters on homosexuality were actually addressing pedophilia. Back in that times many Romans would take a boy as an apprentice and would teach them trades. However some were turned into a physical relationship which was predatory and unhealthy for the boy in question. That's what Paul is trying to say

Lastly, I'm a presbyterian/agnostic (I am currently unsure and I'm struggling with my faith) One of the core foundations to our belief is a script of questions and answers which I think is called the Heidelberg code though I'll have to double check. The questions list various sins in which the sinner is unrepenting and continues to sin. The question is can they get to the kingdom. The answer is no. One of the sins is homosexuality. Well there's this well known biblical scholar who's name I think is Jack Rodgers. He was told by another biblical scholar that they had an early copy of that manuscript only, homosexuality was not one of the sins. Interested he tracked down hundreds of different copies in German, Latin, English and noticed that all until the 1960s did NOT list homosexuality as one of the sins. At that point in time, the document was being revised (probably into modern language though I'm not sure) and it turns out, that the two guys who were copying it, had added it in because they thought it was a good idea, despite the fact there had been no general assembly, no vote, and no order for them to do so. They had used power that wasn't theirs to barr people from the church and now it will take a lot of energy to reverse the damage those two homophobes created. The sad thing is that most people against hommosexuals in the church say look to the oldest text. In this case they are hypocrites


So being Presbyterian you feel you can ignore the Homosexuality is sin thing?
You are right about Pork however in Acts and in the Gospel, Jesus and God said we as Christian can eat anything we want(This can go to the extreme as the Shit Eaters who are Christians would say its alright).
So we can eat Pork, Manure, Semen, Human Bodies and Wheat. For its not what goes into a person's body but what comes out.
But there are some Sins in the Old Testament I and some I follow, Its all about what God wants a person to follow but that person should just say its a Sin but I dont care. Ends a lot of arguments. Some Christian Homosexuals do this. Or I know its a Sin but I am not called to preach against it, which also ends a lot of arguments. Truth makes things so much easier by stopping debates and starting bloodshed.

Still Homosexuality is a Sin.


I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say after the sentence on what we can eat.

You also failed to address my point on Sodom as well as Roman practices.

Lastly how do you know what is and isn't a sin regarding the New Testament. Seeing as we are discussing this biblically I want an answer from the bible (New Testament prefferably) and not personal feelings

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Omok wrote:

*head gets dizzy*

Well, why shouldn't we be allowed to prom? (yes i actually used WE.*grins* what cha' gona do about it homophobiesss?)

Homosexuals are not any less human than everyone else on this planet, if one should have a type of right because he/she is heterosexual, then the same should go for the homosexuals. If you don't like seeing homosexuals or seeing them making out - like any normal couple would do at "times".

Too bad too sad isn't it? Some of us; don't actually like to see heterosexual couples, can we ask everyone "HEY! TURN GAY! BEING STRAIGHT IS A BADDDD THING!!" no we're not asking that; so why should YOU?

'cause I don't see any legitimate reasons for doing so. =) if you're gona use the bible to tell me wrong; you're better off mocking something else, homosexuality was only briefly mentioned, even more so; its not even in the 10 commandments.


Nor is Incest, Child abuse or Rape is in the 10 Commandments.


True true; but there's the law isn't there?

last time i checked, the first thing(incest) is against the law in most countries; it depends on how close you're to the person, if its second cousins and such; its allowed here in Canada. =)

as for the other two, different country have different degree of law to them. For example; sadly, in some 4TH world countries, Rape is apparently allowed -_-;;;;;;;;;;; and as for child abuse, it varies in countries as well...

but for north america, both Rape and Child Abuse is against the law. =)
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yes the should, very simple its discrimination not to accept people becouse of there skin colour, sex or sexual orrientation. i dont know how the law is were you live. but in holland the first article of our constitution says that its forbidden, as it should be..


I completely agree, It is a type of discrimination that is unnecessary ( as all types are). Nobody should be getting busy on the dancefloor if ya know what I mean
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Hi there Hitler,

So what, you've only read the old testament? So you've completely ignored all of Christ's preaching of universal love and acceptance? Maybe I missed the part where Jesus said we should love one another...well all except the gays. Hey if all you're reading is the old testament, does that make you a proponent of slavery as well, because that was one argument that Southern plantation owners used to justify keeping slaves. By the way do you masturbate, because if you do....and I'm sure you'd know this...the good ol' sin of Onan. So just keep waiting for that thunderbolt to strike you down with God's wrath for spilling your seed without the intent of procreation. Basically, the Old testement has nothing to do with the true teaching of the Catholic church which is founded on the teachings of Christ.

Oh and by the way, you're whole sermon about homosexuality leading to the downfall of society. You said that the Romans restricted homosexuality...do your homework read some history, in actuality the Romans made it part of their military practice to send young warriors to the tents of the generals as sexual playthings in order to create a bond between the two men so that the younger one would be willing to die for the general. Same practices were used in Japan and China, and most other warrior societies. Oh and by the way many of the churches early popes and religious leaders acted on their homosexual urges.

As to would I accept sacraments from a gay priest...sure why not. A priest who acts on his sexual urges...so what. The only reason that priests aren't allowed to have families is because the church didn't want to give up real estate. Priests used to be allowed to marry, but since the laws allowed them to leave the property given to them by the church to their heirs, the church made it impossible. Once again another archaic belief set down by flawed humans.

I can only assume that what you really mean is if I would take a sacrament from a priest who has molested children. That answer is definately no. However you need to know that there is a very big distinction between homosexuals and pedofiles. The two do not go hand in hand.



So much for Civility:

Hear me Fag Hag:

I am not aware of the Roman General Man.Boy lover thing, show me a source. I know that the Romans had Homosexuality but they did not like Men who played the Woman or Men who were the Softy in the relationship.

Jesus said Love one another but he also said "Sin no more." And Jesus did also run the money changers out of the Temple.

There was a man called Marcian in Rome in 200-250 AD Roughly who said that the biggest Church group should get rid of the Old Testament on the same reasons you yourself applied. The Church leaders said.
what Iraneus said:
"The Old testament is the rod that we use to judge ourselves by the Grace that Christ has given us forgiveness for. If there was no Old Testament then people could be free to do Sin without the need of Christ."*

I say without the Old Testament the Sexual Sins and other Sins would not bind us and we can do whatever sexual sin we want to do because it is not defined in the New Testament.

*The words of Iraneus is difficult to get so to ask me to prove it may take 2 weeks or so to get the book, as far as I know it is not in the Internet.
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artgeek707 wrote:


Sulla wrote:


artgeek707 wrote:


Sulla wrote:


starcrossed23 wrote:


Sulla wrote:

Homosexuality is a Sin and it makes to much dangerous emotions that is more intense than Normal relationships.


I love it when people say stuff like this because it shows just how weak their understanding of God is.

So, Sulla, I'm going to assume that you are some form of Christian. So I'm going to ask you this.

Christian doctrine states that God is infalliable. Science tells us that homosexuality is a physiological predisposition...not a lifestyle choice. Since God created humans in His own image, saying that homosexuality is wrong, is basically saying that God has made a mistake. Which, as stated above, is impossible since he cannot be wrong.

The viewpoint that homosexuality is a sin is a human invention. That idea was created by human minds which are by their very nature fallible.

And before you call me so heretical pagan, I'd just like to say that I'm Catholic. And MY God doesn't hate his children, so why should you.


Maybe Homosexuality is Gods Test for man to know what is detrimental in the world and kill it or punish it. Like we do with Murderers and Rapists instead of Man being trained to accept it Man should follow his innate dislike of Homosexuality and persecute it. I dont advocate a Final Solution Program on Homosexuality.

Or Maybe Homosexuality like Murder is the product of Sin that came into the world when Adam's act of disobedience.

If you are Catholic and Catholics have the Old testament in their bibles then Homosexuality and other things are Sins its up to you to accept them or not. Oh and if you believe that Homosexuality as Sin is a Human invention then so is Incest and Sex with Animals, for these three things are not in the New Testament by name.

Oh would you accept the Sacraments from a Homosexual Priest who acts upon his Homosexuality?


Eating pigs is also sin in the old testament. Do you like pork? One thing that Jesus preached is that you don't follow the old laws because they are laws. You follow them to show love to other people. That's why his actions in not following the sabbath were right

Even if homosexuality is a sin, shouldn't you show love rather than hatred? Also many ideas about homosexuality were warped by the times. For example Sodom was more about rape than homosexuality. Sure the angels were male, but they were also guests and the hebrews had huge moral standards of how to treat guests. In the end Lot offered his daughters. Like that's any better

Pauls letters on homosexuality were actually addressing pedophilia. Back in that times many Romans would take a boy as an apprentice and would teach them trades. However some were turned into a physical relationship which was predatory and unhealthy for the boy in question. That's what Paul is trying to say

Lastly, I'm a presbyterian/agnostic (I am currently unsure and I'm struggling with my faith) One of the core foundations to our belief is a script of questions and answers which I think is called the Heidelberg code though I'll have to double check. The questions list various sins in which the sinner is unrepenting and continues to sin. The question is can they get to the kingdom. The answer is no. One of the sins is homosexuality. Well there's this well known biblical scholar who's name I think is Jack Rodgers. He was told by another biblical scholar that they had an early copy of that manuscript only, homosexuality was not one of the sins. Interested he tracked down hundreds of different copies in German, Latin, English and noticed that all until the 1960s did NOT list homosexuality as one of the sins. At that point in time, the document was being revised (probably into modern language though I'm not sure) and it turns out, that the two guys who were copying it, had added it in because they thought it was a good idea, despite the fact there had been no general assembly, no vote, and no order for them to do so. They had used power that wasn't theirs to barr people from the church and now it will take a lot of energy to reverse the damage those two homophobes created. The sad thing is that most people against hommosexuals in the church say look to the oldest text. In this case they are hypocrites


So being Presbyterian you feel you can ignore the Homosexuality is sin thing?
You are right about Pork however in Acts and in the Gospel, Jesus and God said we as Christian can eat anything we want(This can go to the extreme as the Shit Eaters who are Christians would say its alright).
So we can eat Pork, Manure, Semen, Human Bodies and Wheat. For its not what goes into a person's body but what comes out.
But there are some Sins in the Old Testament I and some I follow, Its all about what God wants a person to follow but that person should just say its a Sin but I dont care. Ends a lot of arguments. Some Christian Homosexuals do this. Or I know its a Sin but I am not called to preach against it, which also ends a lot of arguments. Truth makes things so much easier by stopping debates and starting bloodshed.

Still Homosexuality is a Sin.


I'm a little confused at what you're trying to say after the sentence on what we can eat.

You also failed to address my point on Sodom as well as Roman practices.

Lastly how do you know what is and isn't a sin regarding the New Testament. Seeing as we are discussing this biblically I want an answer from the bible (New Testament prefferably) and not personal feelings



In my other posts today I address old and new testaments. If we jjust had the New Testament then we could have sex with our parent and animals because types of sex is not listed in the old testament.

I see no reason to comment on Sodom and Gommorrah.
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It really doesn't matter to me... I think that everyone should have the right to be happy and be with the person that they love! It shouldn't matter who they are or what their gender is...
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