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Do Great People Make History or Does History Make Great People?
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its both of theme some time a man will make the history by doing somting importante and somting its history who will make a man because he solve a probleme etc
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Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.
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its one half doesn or the other. great people make great history bacuse they care enough to influence it, and history makes great people beacuse it influenced their minds to know about history enough that society needs guidence.
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leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:

Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.



you are an atheist, i respect that. At the same time though I don;t know if you are an atheist or what you're trying to say. Please clarify
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shiro2142 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:

Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.



you are an atheist, i respect that. At the same time though I don;t know if you are an atheist or what you're trying to say. Please clarify


lol so yo respect atheists here but consider them a cancer on the other thread? how very Christian of you.

Anyways, what he means by that is that God is not a necessary factor for a man to make history, for history is the study of the human race and not every event or person that has marked history had a relationship with God.

Is God a frequent factor throughout history and man's actions? yes but it is not a requirement for history.

Besides that, the question of this thread is badly formulated. History is not that simple, this is not an either/or question.
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shiro2142 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:

Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.



you are an atheist, i respect that. At the same time though I don;t know if you are an atheist or what you're trying to say. Please clarify


lol so yo respect atheists here but consider them a cancer on the other thread? how very Christian of you.

Anyways, what he means by that is that God is not a necessary factor for a man to make history, for history is the study of the human race and not every event or person that has marked history had a relationship with God.

Is God a frequent factor throughout history and man's actions? yes but it is not a requirement for history.

Besides that, the question of this thread is badly formulated. History is not that simple, this is not an either/or question.



wow, you got me sir, you found me out. Being a politician may be harder than I thought. Anyways, what I tried to say within the confines of the question in my reponse was that history both molds its movers which in turn is also moved by the person who is moving it.
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Which is why the question of this thread doesn't really address anything.
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I think the answer to almost all questions is:
It depends.

This is because there are people who are made great by history and some great people who made history and some people who hate history.

It depends because most of the time, the answer to a question is not present in only one object or form but in multifarious entities.

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Great People Make History .

I believe that it's true



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It depends on how you see both questions.
From what I believe, there are many great ppl in the world that are not accounted for in known history, as in written history.
I think (written) History makes great people but great people also make (unaccounted) history.
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shiro2142 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:

Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.



you are an atheist, i respect that. At the same time though I don;t know if you are an atheist or what you're trying to say. Please clarify


Everything except for the last part of your post is (if I can say so) brilliantly written. I just feel that the last part . After all, we can't really verify or know anything about that.

I'm an atheist. I don't particularly hate the religious, but I personally don't believe in any existence of a deity. Based on inconsistencies and logic, not resentment or laziness.
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leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:


leviathan343 wrote:


shiro2142 wrote:

Many great leaders started from a low station influenced and molded by the times. Chiang Kai Shek was taken under the wing of Sun Yat-Sen in the turbulent fractures of turn of the century China, his methods in the end could almost be termed as Fascist but he started as an idealist soldier genuinely seeking stablilty and dignity for his people. On the other hand Kim Il Sung sought the same for his people but embraced a different albeit godless ideology in his youth. They both had to have conviction to choose the path that guided their actions, these paths were formulated by great men before them in other words these men were the products of their time's situation, only differed on the ways they aproched their struggles. As Isaac Newton said "I merely stood on the shoulders of giants".

In short history makes a man but a man in turns shapes history according to how their character and how history treats them as well as their relationship with the almighty God.


Please don't throw God into this.



you are an atheist, i respect that. At the same time though I don;t know if you are an atheist or what you're trying to say. Please clarify


Everything except for the last part of your post is (if I can say so) brilliantly written. I just feel that the last part . After all, we can't really verify or know anything about that.

I'm an atheist. I don't particularly hate the religious, but I personally don't believe in any existence of a deity. Based on inconsistencies and logic, not resentment or laziness.


thank you sir. You know alot of historians in the past had passionate writing due to having what people could call biases. I think Christian perspectives ought to be respected as any supposedly progressive perspective.

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it is the right person in the right place at the right time. you need all 3 to make history.
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historians decide who is great or not great.
Posted 9/10/08
people make history ~ but dun learn from it ~ they repeat the same mistakes
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