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Atheists and Church
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silverfizz wrote:

Atheism is a religion, the actual belief that there is nothing after death, or a god or higher power than man. The fact that they think the they aren't religious is funny to me. I wouldn't think anything of it if they had a meeting place. Lack of faith or to have faith is not the only definition of religion.


It looks like others have already replied to this, but I'll add my two cents anyway.

Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in gods, just as theism is belief in one or more of them. The actual rejection of gods is still atheism, but a smaller group; if we defined atheism as the rejection of gods in the first place, then those who simply refrain from believing could not be called atheists. At this point, people like to bring in the concept of agnosticism, but this is a stance on knowledge, not belief. Thus, one can be an agnostic atheist (doesn't believe in gods but does not take the stance that he knows that they do not exist) or a gnostic atheist (rejects gods with a claim of knowledge that they do not exist). I, along with most other atheists, fall into the agnostic category because I recognize the futility of attempting to disprove the supernatural. I escape the burden of proof that falls on both those who assert the existence of the gods and those who completely reject it by making the legitimate claim that I do not know.

Atheism is no more a religion, the saying goes, than baldness is a hair color.

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I don't think they need a church. Basically because they don't worship any God. Why do they need to protect themselves from Catholic o_O? I'm a catholic myself, but I don't attack atheists, spiritually and physically. I respect what other think and believe...
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Fastest growing indeed look at how many we athiests we have, http://www.kirainet.com/english/the-least-religious-countries/ .

I myself am an Atheist. I find that mystical magical tails about after lifes are complete bullshit. Just nice little lies told to the ignorant masses to make them feel like they have some significance in being alive.

Anyway as far as Atheists going to church. Hey back when I still had my family in my life I went to church. More to just humor my mom, for holidays so 3 times a year top. That is the only reason I went. I have my own fairly solid arguments and do not need to reconfirm them by going to a place that I find pointless. If Atheists must regularly attend church for some reason then they are not atheists. Atheists have better things to do with their time then go listen to tall tales.
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I do go to church, i'm TRYING to make myself believe in Christianity. but not working so far. but hey! i am learning a lot from it? after all, I don't want to be ignorant whenever there's a talk about Religion and such. =3
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Churches are worshiping places of Christians, so no. Atheists don't need a place of worship because we don't have anything to worship, or at least I don't.
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Posted 5/5/08

chinky_sonny wrote:

Do any atheist go to church?®



"I don't think that they need a church. I feel like the entire city is their church" fg


How will the atheists protect themselves say from catholics?

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Example-- the fastest growing faith in America is no faith at all. And some atheist think they need a church.

There is a fact that some atheist may simply not be there to come out in the open and tell the people that they are atheist. If they are part of the family or community where attendance at religious worship is an expected norm, a person cannot avoid attending without signaling to everyone that their beliefs are no longer in sync with everyone's else's. At the very least, their attendance to traditional faith has changed: in some cases, that maybe perceived as enough to be treated as a form of betrayal or scandal. If a person reveals that they are in fact an atheist, it might be too much for some to accept. Rather than deal with so much drama and conflict, some atheist just continue to pretend that they believe and keep up appearances. What does this say about religion, it forces to lie about themselves in this way?

arguments allowed but just keep things cool. ☺


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Posted 5/5/08

pageninetynine wrote:

Atheist doesn't really need a church... because they don't believe on a higher being..


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sen_dy wrote:

I don't think they need a church. Basically because they don't worship any God. Why do they need to protect themselves from Catholic o_O? I'm a catholic myself, but I don't attack atheists, spiritually and physically. I respect what other think and believe...



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Posted 5/5/08
well i go to temple
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Posted 5/13/08 , edited 5/13/08
Do we need a Church? No. A Church is a place of religious worship. We, as Atheists, do not worship our way of life. We are living under no set of moral codes or rituals. Moral codes and rituals are the primary focus of religions other than Atheism (which may or may not actually be a religion, because it really is the polar end of all religions).

Atheists would merely need a debate hall (to debate on things in general) and a commune. This establishment would be nothing more than a place to chit-chat with each other. The establishment would only share the "belief" that there is/are no god(s).

An Atheist gathering would support other Atheists through no direct means. I mean: if some person was to go before an Atheist grouping, and ask for aid (in say- openly disenfranchising themselves from a said religion), the group would only provide help through individual wills.

Example: A man wants to leave his religion, but the religious separation between he and his family could cause him to be cast out. He would like help from an understanding person, so he goes to a place where people with a common and shared idea gather. There, individuals with no foreign pressures or morals dissenting from the group could volunteer their help.

This would be a stretch, but the group would nearly be providing shelter for people with common interests- just as done by many religions worldwide.

Feel free to quote me, and if there are replies- I will dedicate to them... my own reply.

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silverfizz wrote:

Atheism is no more a religion, the saying goes, than baldness is a hair color.



I like that, it has a good piercing point.

And I am so making this a page!
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Not reading through anything so this is most likely already said, but if atheists had a church I don't think they were atheists anymore. They can have a building where to gather, but that wouldn't be a church. Church is a place where you worship something and if you don't worship anything (atheists), you can't have a church. Hopefully someone can understand that. ;P

In my school everyone is forced to go a church if they can't get a note from their parents (even if they were atheists), but I would go more if I didn't get such horrible headaches in churches. It is nice and cool there during the summer.

And that they have to lie about themselves doesn't tell anything about the religion, just the people.
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Posted 5/17/08

Mr_T wrote:


Cuddlebuns wrote:

Churches are worshiping places of Christians, so no. Atheists don't need a place of worship because we don't have anything to worship, or at least I don't.


How do you go about atheism?


As in how do I practice it? I don't, I just live my life without worrying about what the consequences of my actions will be in the afterlife.
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Posted 5/17/08
I believe they should have churches to worship things other than a God.

'Twould be marvelous if there was a Church of Pomegranates and Johnny Depp.
We would just eat pomegranates and talk about Johnny all morning! X3
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