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The constitution says gun ownership is an unalienable right (god given). No government or person shall deny that right. Change the constitution if you want.
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The constitution says gun ownership is an unalienable right (god given). No government or person shall deny that right. Change the constitution if you want.


Which God? doesn't your Constitution guarantee freedom of religion?


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If you live in America, and don't think people should be allowed to own guns, then you are basically shitting on one of the biggest things our founding fathers stood for, and they were very intelligent people. If you don't understand why guns maintain your "freedom", then you should go back to school or something. You know, learn how to see the bigger picture, really simple things like that.

Let's just say that without guns, you wouldn't have the freedom of speech that allows you to want guns to be banned in the first place.

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Should people be allowed to own baseball bats? Kitchen knives?... etc.


A kitchen knife isn't much threat from a clock tower. A bullied kid can't take out his whole high school and the jocks he hates with baseball bat.
sorry. Firearms occupy a different level of risk and threat. This argument doesn't carry any water.




In a sense that's true, you can't kill an entire high school population with a baseball bat, but overall, something much smaller than a baseball bat is even more deadly.


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Warning to you people who thin k you can sound smart by saying ''rise the price on bullets'' please, just please stop. People can make bullets themselves and when a product is sold for a much larger amount than what it cost to create it, thats better business than drugs. Thats sounds as stupid as the idea of successfully taking peoples guns.
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If you live in America, and don't think people should be allowed to own guns, then you are basically shitting on one of the biggest things our founding fathers stood for, and they were very intelligent people. If you don't understand why guns maintain your "freedom", then you should go back to school or something. You know, learn how to see the bigger picture, really simple things like that.

Let's just say that without guns, you wouldn't have the freedom of speech that allows you to want guns to be banned in the first place.



Can't say I agree. It's a nice argument and there is some truth to it but the fact of the matter is. As far as resisting your government If all you have is small arms then you might as well be disarmed. If your government decides to turn despotic and convinces the important part of your military's leadership to sign on (That part being the part that actually commands the respect and the obedience of the soldiers sailors and airmen) Then no amount of 5.56 Nato is going to help you. They won't even have to shoot you they can just run you over with their APCs (they don't even need the tanks, arty , air strikes, naval bombardments.. those would just be superfluous if all you had is small arms)

Instead of convincing people to arm themselves you'd be better off making sure that the average soldier/sailor/airman sees him or herself first as a proud citizen of your country who believes in the constitution they swear to uphold. and as an obedient soldier second.

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Oh and congrats on being the first in this thread to prove Godwin's law.




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Why bother regulating the market for guns when there is already a pretty large black market for them?

No offense to the gun control advocates but its pretty much too late.

And no offense for my pessimism on this issue.
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I partially agree. However, I feel there are too many idiots (for lack of a better word) who would make open carry by anyone other than the police problematic. For self defense, concealed carry is the best option imho.

This is in reference to the first post.
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Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.


Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.



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He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly
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It's essential that the public has them to defend themselves against criminals, but if they were outlawed and collected by the government, I'd bet criminals will somehow still have them.

Or it'll start looking like a few choice spots in South America and just go nuts with machetes.
Posted 1/7/13
I don't know why some people are against guns. Anyone can kill you with anything if they want. A knife, an axe, a shovel, a baseball bat, a pencil, a pillow. So are we going to question if people should own those, too? Most could be used for self defense as well. Granted it is easier to kill with a gun, it's still faulty logic to only single out guns.
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Wow

59+ pages arguing about something like this.

I'm not a gun fanatic, I'm just a Target Shooter.

But from what I've been reading you guys are arguing about the safety. I agree with the guy above. You can basically kill a person with anything. I am possibly going to study Forensic Pathology after school and the subject itself proves the point that you can kill anyone with anything.... don't get technical and ask me even with a tissue? That's not what this is about.

If a criminal has a gun or a piece of broken porcelain you can still get injured and/or possibly die. The dispute is just the desicion the so called 'World Leaders' have to make in order to ban or legalize it in their countries. Is all.
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Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.


Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.



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He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D


Dyme420 said it exactly right. We can't defend ourselves with small arms? And who said anything about 5.56? What about 7.62? .45 ACP? .50 AE? The mentality that you can't defend yourself against the government, is exactly the problem with the nation now. The government is to fear the citizenry, not the opposite. And on topic, yes we should be allowed to own guns. For many reasons, If only for the possible need to one day defend ourselves against our own government.
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dyme420 wrote:


Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.


Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.



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He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D


(emphasis mine.)
Your final comment frees me from any need to take you seriously, Have a nice life.

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Most of you don't want to have a dialogue. You just want to ram your second amendment and fear of government down everyone's throats. You are just as bad as the idiots who don't know anything about guns except that they don't like them and don't want anyone else to have them.

I wish you the joy of each others' company. I am done with this thread. You may have the last the word, but don't count on me having read it.

This callsign is OUT.

(minor edit for grammar and spelling. One's last words on a subject should at least be coherent)

Another minor edit.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Resort to personal attacks As the quoted poster above me has done and all one proves is that they showed up to a battle of words with their guns unloaded. Might as well just call me a 'fag' or start speaking in 133t. Or more honestly, raise the right flag. Personal attacks prove you have no objective or logical grounds in your argument. so. have a nice life.



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dyme420 wrote:


Really? So I'm going to go ahead and make a crack at your profile since you already make an ass out of yourself with your own arguments. 46 and Male? This is super hard to believe or you're one of the blissfully ignorant Omega males who cowers any time someone raises their voice. Your wisdom, or lack of, says otherwise.

So hypothetical LOADED question; Your family member is in trouble (Lets say one of your children, since you're obviously 46 and wise). Now, there's a perpetrator fixing to rape one of your precious daughters with a knife at her throat. The perp is so engrossed in his task that he doesn't even notice you sneak up. There's three choices on the desk in front of you, a telephone, a bat, or a pistol. Choice?

Yes the question is loaded, but the anti-gun idiots seem to LOVE "What-ifs"

And if you think small arms isn't enough to fight defend yourselves against trained and equipped army you're sadly lacking in your history. Also, Godwins' law? How could you not end at Hitler, Stalin and all the gun grabbing dictators? Know your history or be doomed to repeat it. This land wasn't won from the Brits by cowards like you. It was won by proud people not willing to compromise their values. You might not like guns, you might down right hate them. But if the time comes, you will be cursing the day that you don't own one. Don't worry I will defend the constitution and your lives with my own. Cause I AM a proud American, not proud of what my country currently stands for but proud of what it was and still can be, the greatest country on earth. I can't stress this enough, GUNS won your FREEDOMS. Not diplomatic dialogues.


Better to have it and NEVER need it than to need it and not have it.



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He's from CANADA.. No wonder... Loyal to the crown. How's it feel to be a peasant in your Queens kingdom? AMERICA USHERED IN THE FREE WORLD, WE ARE IT'S LAST DEFENDERS. And you're obviously Jelly :D


Dyme420 said it exactly right. We can't defend ourselves with small arms? And who said anything about 5.56? What about 7.62? .45 ACP? .50 AE? The mentality that you can't defend yourself against the government, is exactly the problem with the nation now. The government is to fear the citizenry, not the opposite. And on topic, yes we should be allowed to own guns. For many reasons, If only for the possible need to one day defend ourselves against our own government.



I'm sorry but our government pretty much has drones at their disposal so good luck with "defense," because you'll definitely need it.
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