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Yes to both questions as long as you obtain them legally. Guns are not the problem with violence, especially if you look at violent crime statistics from countries with very strict laws on weapons. It's an issue with specific people and not the weapons they use that lead them to do terrible things with them. Asking law abiding citizens to give up weapons will not lead to a safer world and only gives a false sense of security.

If someone has determined they want to go and massacre others, then they will do so regardless of the laws and if its not guns they are using, then they could choose any other weapon that could be use to harm others. The deadliest attack at a school was by the use of dynamite at a school in the 1920s and did not even involve firearms.

The issues we see brought up in the news are just isolated incidents blown out of proportion to sway public opinion towards specific directions. Yes, the events can be tragic, but allowing fear to determine your opinion is never a good route to take.
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the crooks aren't going to fallow the law if we somehow end up banning them so i would want to be in a equal fight with the hood rat that has tried to break into my house. ( it has actually helped in the past i squeezed a few rounds into my ceiling and they went running)
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People should definitely own guns. Its for their protection, since if a person really wants a gun, they will find a way to get a gun. If we are not allowed to own guns then we are left defenseless in the case of a shooting. Of course they won't protect us fully, but anythings better than getting mowed down by some psycho and having no way to really stop him. I personally think that they should relax on the gun laws since its restricting those who have done nothing wrong.
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Yes cause some of us live in a world where the difference between your life and a home invasion are intermixed like peanut butter and jelly, but only if you own said guns legally.
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YES, I think they should ban everything that was ever used as a weapon in an assault. That includes hands, feet, buckets, shopping carts, pipes, pencils, cars, car keys, rope...
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People should not be allowed to own guns. Having guns for protection is great and all but the downside to owning a gun is far greater than the upside. If you think about the flat opportunity cost of the two options, it is something like this:
Allowed to own guns:
Pro:
self-protection = saving a couple person from potential criminals if actions are carefully executed
Con:
Anyone at anytime has the ability to commit a mass-murder = many people could die in matters of seconds, without time to protect themselves
Not allowed to own guns:
Pro:
much less destructive weapons = easier to protect yourselves since you or another person could handle the situation more efficiently
Con:
the danger of not being able to protect yourself well enough

Comparing the two options, does it not seem much safer to not own any guns as supposed to being able to own guns?
Guns are able to take down thousands of people in a blink of the eye; other weapons (swords, for example) are not able to inflict as much damage as guns. With one bullet, you could be dead, no matter how many people try to stop a gunman, it would be difficult and cost many lives. However, if it is not a "one shot, one kill" kind of weaponry with enough bullets to easily kill 10 people either way, control of this weapon is much greater. If someone were to rob a store with a sword, there are many objects nearby that could be used to save yourselves, such as throwing chairs, bottles, etc.

Watch these epic clips ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGVB95Hq72o

If you have different insights into this, please do explain

EDIT: Oh, if you are arguing that guns are still able to be obtained illegally otherwise, then we might as well agree that there is no hope for humanity or anything at all. There are always many unexpected alternatives to solutions but we must still hold hope for those solutions because that is the best we can do. We have laws in this world but there are still criminals who break them, yet we still keep those laws. Why? They are guidelines to how a peaceful world should be. Same with the debate of guns. We all know there will always be rulebreakers but once you set guidelines, it will become easier to control the amount of rulebreakers in our society. That's how laws work.
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Yes they should, but no guns that shoot more than 8 bullets before you have to reload. When our ancestors decided you should always be able to own a gun they didn't have rapid shooting guns with huge amounts of bullets, I am sure they would be horrified at the level of gunpower currently available to anyone.
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cero69 wrote:

if guns weren't invented america would not exist and many other countries also, if gun weren't around you could still die, and don't think that taking away guns will keep bad people from doing bad things. what would you use if 5 people came into your house with knives and was trying to kill everyone you loved. if everyone were good people then yes there would be no point in violence and the tools that make it easy to kill.


If gun is allowed for everyone, the 5 people that come into your house would be carrying guns that shoot you dead before you pull out yours. Whereas, without guns, you may potentially have time to grab something nearby to protect yourself against the non-[ranged-easy-1hitKO] weapon. Guns only help inflict maximum damage. You definitely have a better chance if the weapon were not a gun. And saying "if guns weren't invented......." is the same as saying, if Columbus were not born into this world, America would not have been found. You are making false assumptions. Spurious correlation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship
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Only after intensive and extremely thorough background checks. As for the 2nd amendment is was intended for the citizens of the newly formed U.S.A. to form armed militias if invaded and it was a good thing, but now there needs to be much harsher regulation. A buddy of mine just bough an AR-15 online. He doesn't need it as we live in one of the safest cities in the U.S. He's just been swept up in this "Obama's taking our guns bullshit", and which Obama is not trying to do. Clinton banned assault rifles and then cowboy Bush came along and repealed that. Give me one good reason why the average citizen needs an assault rifle... One that isn't a a rant or conspiracy theory... all the guns in the world won't mean shit when the drones launch a missile on your ass....
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Pi3volution wrote:


cero69 wrote:

if guns weren't invented america would not exist and many other countries also, if gun weren't around you could still die, and don't think that taking away guns will keep bad people from doing bad things. what would you use if 5 people came into your house with knives and was trying to kill everyone you loved. if everyone were good people then yes there would be no point in violence and the tools that make it easy to kill.


If gun is allowed for everyone, the 5 people that come into your house would be carrying guns that shoot you dead before you pull out yours. Whereas, without guns, you may potentially have time to grab something nearby to protect yourself against the non-[ranged-easy-1hitKO] weapon. Guns only help inflict maximum damage. You definitely have a better chance if the weapon were not a gun. And saying "if guns weren't invented......." is the same as saying, if Columbus were not born into this world, America would not have been found. You are making false assumptions. Spurious correlation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spurious_relationship


I never said that everyone should be allowed guns. and that's why many superpower countries have nukes it a deterrence, a country is less likely to use it knowing they could suffer the same. and to your 5 people coming into your house they would less likely the would enter knowing everyone was armed. and guns allowed the colonist to defend themself easier, if they were bladed weapon most of them would have been untrained and more than likely lose granted yes that is an assumption but it would be a good hypothesis from what i've learned from books and documentries on the american revolution.
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Pi3volution wrote:

People should not be allowed to own guns. Having guns for protection is great and all but the downside to owning a gun is far greater than the upside. If you think about the flat opportunity cost of the two options, it is something like this:
Allowed to own guns:
Pro:
self-protection = saving a couple person from potential criminals if actions are carefully executed
Con:
Anyone at anytime has the ability to commit a mass-murder = many people could die in matters of seconds, without time to protect themselves
Not allowed to own guns:
Pro:
much less destructive weapons = easier to protect yourselves since you or another person could handle the situation more efficiently
Con:
the danger of not being able to protect yourself well enough

Comparing the two options, does it not seem much safer to not own any guns as supposed to being able to own guns?
Guns are able to take down thousands of people in a blink of the eye; other weapons (swords, for example) are not able to inflict as much damage as guns. With one bullet, you could be dead, no matter how many people try to stop a gunman, it would be difficult and cost many lives. However, if it is not a "one shot, one kill" kind of weaponry with enough bullets to easily kill 10 people either way, control of this weapon is much greater. If someone were to rob a store with a sword, there are many objects nearby that could be used to save yourselves, such as throwing chairs, bottles, etc.

Watch these epic clips ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGVB95Hq72o

If you have different insights into this, please do explain

EDIT: Oh, if you are arguing that guns are still able to be obtained illegally otherwise, then we might as well agree that there is no hope for humanity or anything at all. There are always many unexpected alternatives to solutions but we must still hold hope for those solutions because that is the best we can do. We have laws in this world but there are still criminals who break them, yet we still keep those laws. Why? They are guidelines to how a peaceful world should be. Same with the debate of guns. We all know there will always be rulebreakers but once you set guidelines, it will become easier to control the amount of rulebreakers in our society. That's how laws work.


that is how the law system should work in theory making guidelines and the majority of the people to follow, leaving a minority of criminals and deterring more from becoming a criminal.

but the real world does not work that way.

look at the crime statistics of countries with high gun ownership. they have the lowest rates. why? because everyone mostly has a weapon with them or in their home. criminals know this and they know that if they try to break into a house they run the risk of being shot at or killed by the owners. so basically the more guns people own the safer the society becomes. now you can hide in your own world (bubble) thinking having a gun leads to more problems than they are worth. but stop and think your pro's and Con's are just the tip of the iceberg. owning a gun and knowing how to use it. is much better than not having one and needing it someday. people should be educated in how to handle a gun, how to maintain it and how to shoot/ kill a perpetrator. and to get a license you need to show that you can handle a gun. most criminals can't even handle their guns. i know first hand.

i've have had an experience were a dumb ass tried to mug me with a gun with the safety on.
not to mention the way he was holding the gun would have blown his hand first before he even got a shot at me.

btw my city is one of the safest cities in the world despite neighboring the most dangerous city in the world.



Federal laws prevent drug users and felons from lawful ownership of guns (http://www.ehow.com/list_6891578_laws-convicted-felons-possessing-weapon...). So its more a matter of enforcing already existing laws than passing new, stricter laws.
http://www.datamasher.org/mash-ups/crime-vs-gun-ownership




and yes at this rate there is no hope for humanity
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Also guns aren't just meant to kill just people, but wild animals like bears, feral hogs, cougars, etc...
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Check the statistic for countries that don't allow the proliferation of personal gun use and it tells an entirely different story. Just showing U.S. stats doesn't reveal the whole picture. As for the existing laws they need to be overhauled otherwise how can people with documented cases of mental illness get permits? And no one needs a fucking assault rifle. Oh wait they need one for hunting and home defense right?
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Handguns for self defense and rifles for hunting are fine IMO. But this shit is getting out of hand...
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personally if you want to control gun violence go after the illegal guns but dont you dare touch the legal guns. If you want to limit clips/ mags just take it back down to 10 no less. Remember people guns dont kill people crazy people with guns kill people. Every time they try gun control the issues just get worse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA when you disarm the law abiding gun owners the crooks have easy targets.
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