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Posted 8/17/13
It depends on the circumstances and it depends on the society and it depends on the government of the country.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Again what is a good guy and what is a bad guy can also be debated.

We have very strict gun laws in my country but that hasn't stopped people getting them illegally and using them for illegal purposes.
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What should be done is education and safety classes.
We put kids in driver education classes at 16. Theres no reason we cant incorporate shooter safety into phys ed and a school rifle team.
I think we should also teach martial arts in school and have a competition team. Theres no reason to teach people to rely on the government for their own safety.
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Yes we should be aloud to have guns. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Look at Chicago handguns are banned in the city and crime is through the roof.
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Posted 8/17/13

Crazyace90 wrote:

Yes we should be aloud to have guns. If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. Look at Chicago handguns are banned in the city and crime is through the roof.


its not just handguns
the thugs in the inner city ghettos have full auto assault rifles and things that i cant even get my hands on as a legal and law abiding, licensed gun owner.
there was a gun buy back program a few years back in chicago, they not only collected a few full autos but a couple of RPGs and a bazzooka too.

banning guns will have the same effect as banning alcohol or drugs
and anyone who thinks giving up your rights will be better for the nation is on crack
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swirly_commode wrote:

So we all get treated like murderers and thugs?
Im kind of offended at the idea of innocent citizens being treated like criminals.
Its like punishing people for pre-crimes. Im not sure what country youre from but here in america, the land of the free, its against the law to treat people that way.
Freedom loving people tend to not like being treated like criminals


:/ I'm from Iowa, that's not treating citizens like thugs; does anyone really need a high capacity magazine though? When hunting do you need that? No you can kill a deer with one bullet of a shot gun and if you miss your animal is probably spooked away now. Is it going to kill you to reload your clip while target shooting, no.

We're overlooking the bigger picture here though, that we need to be treating and de-stigmatizing mental illnesses that people who go on shooting sprees generally have. In the US it's generally acceptable to have depression but most other mental illness you're a total social outcast.
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Posted 8/17/13
Who really needs a ferrari or a 10" kitchen knife?
And yes, it is treating innocent people like criminals. Youre limiting what i can do because youre afraid i might go crazy and shoot people. Youre judging me based on a pre-crime stereotype.
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Posted 8/25/13
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Who cares? People are going to be just as safe with or without gun control... crime doesn't decrease or increase because they have to use a different tool, you have to address the issues of the society or community in order to decrease crime.

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Posted 8/26/13
guns don't kill people, people kill people don't blame the tool blame the person holding the tool
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Posted 8/26/13
You know, if I could wave a magic wand and declare that the knowledge to create ballistic weapons was erased forever from the Earth, I'd seriously consider it. I think my country would still be alright if we had to fight with sword and board.

Sadly that's not an option...the real question is "should everyone be allowed to own guns, or just a privileged few and/or those willing to break the law to get guns?"

Consider that, historically, more people have been killed by the guns of legitimate government agents than by civilians acting autonomously.
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Posted 8/28/13
Incoming wall of text. I tried to break it up to make it easier to read.

I believe people ought to have the right to own weapons, including but not limited to firearms, but that right comes with a responsibility, and if that responsibility is neglected, then the safety of the immediate population comes into question and at that point the government has a right to step in.

Just recently in my area a Tea-Party nutjob was protesting on a highway overpass with "Impeach Obama" signs and carrying two guns, one of which was an automatic or semi-auto rifle. (the news described it as an "assault rifle" but that's more than likely exaggeration) Just a few years back we had the "Beltway Sniper" pretty much locking down the area, so this act in and of itself was highly suspicious and, being evocative of recent events, definitely in poor taste. He was stopped and temporarily detained by the cops and was disarmed during this process and his now whining up a storm about how his "Second Amendment rights" were violated.

This is BS of the highest order. The second amendment grants citizens the right to bear, or own weaponry. It does not mean people can wave around deadly weapons just because they can and expect no repercussions. You have the right to carry a firearm with which to defend yourself if you feel threatened or even just in case, but anything bigger than a handgun is ridiculously unnecessary.

Now, this doesn't mean I'm against owning anything bigger than a Magnum, by all means, feel free to, but be responsible and considerate. Don't take it out unless you're at home, the gun range, or in an emergency. Taking it with you to protest is dangerous, thoughtless, and downright political intimidation. You're not practicing a right to defend yourself, at that point you're infringing on others rights to feel safe and secure in their communities.

Any responsible gun owner (or owner of any weapon really) is familiar with the concept, or an equivalent of, Trigger Discipline.
If you don't know what that is, it's basically a rule that you DO NOT even TOUCH the trigger until you're aiming at a target (live or otherwise) and fully intend to fire at said target. If you are not aiming and ready to put a bullet into whatever you're aiming at, your finger needs to be outside the trigger guard, to the side. The Samurai, and to an extent, other elite swordsman around the world, practiced a very similar concept. A sword was never to be fully drawn from it's sheath unless blood was to be spilled. (excluding maintenance of course)

This concept I believe extends to the carrying of weapons in public (or at least ought to). If you feel that you need a weapon to defend yourself for whatever reason, then fine. You might live in a bad neighborhood, you might be out on the town and need the protection. That's perfectly okay. What's not okay is carrying around near-military grade rifles just for the hell of it. You are not a soldier. You are not law enforcement. There is no conceivable need for you to pack that much firepower in any daily occurrence. All you're doing is freaking people out, and that makes you an A-hole.

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Posted 8/28/13

krnsoldierofGod wrote:

yes because if the government suddenly turns bad what will the people use to fight it off?


TNT, C4, chlorine gas, crossbows, flame throwers,magnetic railguns.. acid... knives.... Chemical Weapons..... Biological Warfare...

was that a rhetorical question or were you being facetious? cause I can continue...
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Posted 8/31/13

tdp7886 wrote:

guns don't kill people, people kill people don't blame the tool blame the person holding the tool


Yeah... but having guns makes the crazy people even more dangerous than they already are...
....Like allowing terrorist to have nukes... and saying that it isn't the nukes that do the killing...
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Posted 8/31/13

shuyi000 wrote:


tdp7886 wrote:

guns don't kill people, people kill people don't blame the tool blame the person holding the tool


Yeah... but having guns makes the crazy people even more dangerous than they already are...
....Like allowing terrorist to have nukes... and saying that it isn't the nukes that do the killing...


still stand by what I said when a terrorist drives a car bomb and kills someone you don't take away peoples cars and blame cars for killing people and even with nukes someone still has to push the button the nuke is harmless until a terrerest or president decides something maybe its cuz iam American but ill never give up my guns ive been shooting since I was 12 and never hurt anyone I own ar-15 shotguns bla bla anyone who wants to do something terrible doesn't care about getting guns legally like I did
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Posted 8/31/13

tdp7886 wrote:


shuyi000 wrote:


tdp7886 wrote:

guns don't kill people, people kill people don't blame the tool blame the person holding the tool


Yeah... but having guns makes the crazy people even more dangerous than they already are...
....Like allowing terrorist to have nukes... and saying that it isn't the nukes that do the killing...


still stand by what I said when a terrorist drives a car bomb and kills someone you don't take away peoples cars and blame cars for killing people and even with nukes someone still has to push the button the nuke is harmless until a terrerest or president decides something maybe its cuz iam American but ill never give up my guns ive been shooting since I was 12 and never hurt anyone I own ar-15 shotguns bla bla anyone who wants to do something terrible doesn't care about getting guns legally like I did


The benefit of a car outweighs its danger...
...
What's the benefit of having a gun...?!
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