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Post Reply Should people be allowed to own guns?
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Posted 2/15/14
Absolutely. Be sure to pick up your mosin nagant before stocks are gone and the price rockets up.



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MangaManiacsCharlie wrote:

like the old saying "guns dont kill people. People kill people" i help run a few businesses and we are favored into carrying "concealed carry weapons" (known as CCW in many states) because of the cash carrying. DOES NOT have to be a gun. If more people chose to carry less lethal self defense weapons like tasers, stun guns, pepper spray, etc. then gun laws wouldnt be as strict, just my 2 cents



The problem with non lethals is that they are non lethal. Because of that they are brought out far sooner then lethal deterrents. Many times sooner than a legal threat has been made apparent. Or sometimes worse they are used in conjunction with physical force even after the threat or lack there of has been neutralized. This is why some states have stringent laws on even non lethal weapons. Women are some the worse ones when it comes to the abuse of non lethal weapons.

For all you people that are against guns i wish i could be there the day you realize how wrong you are. Fact is until that life changing incident happens you will never understand. Just keep this in mind though.

When multiple assailants confront you on the street.. or invade your home.. whether they have guns or not they are either larger stronger or simply out number you... When they attack you and your family. Rob you.. beat you.. beat you family, wife and kids (if not any other graphic form of violence)... Before you black out or simply pass away what will you say to your family with your dying breath...

"Im sorry for voting for gun control. Im sorry for never buying a gun. I never thought we would need it....."
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This country was founded because we used guns to fight the British. As our founders made the constitution they made the 2nd amendment the right to bear arms so that we the people could protect our other rights like freedom of religion and speech. If every house had a shotgun or handgun the Government would fear its people and the Government would stay in check and know its station as for the people and not above the people. Our Government today due to powers in high places has eroded much of our 2nd amendment, individual states make near impossible to purchase or carry a weapon which is a shame.

All woman should carry a handgun in there purse as many woman are raped or sexually assaulted and unable to defend themselves. Soon one day we may have no gun rights at all due to we the people allowing our Government to get to big, to strong and to militarized. The governments goal since early 1900's was to slowly take away our rights and right to bear arms is the one they want gone the most. A people unarmed cannot defend themselves at all, the police, courts or governments have absolute power over you. I tell you now if you own a gun hold onto it for dear life. Never let anyone take that away from you.
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Posted 2/17/14
I feel If a Person Doesn't Have a Criminal Record They should be On Their Way With A Gun.
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Posted 3/2/14
I'm pretty anti gun as you can get.
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trickor22 wrote:
Soon one day we may have no gun rights at all due to we the people allowing our Government to get to big, to strong and to militarized. The governments goal since early 1900's was to slowly take away our rights and right to bear arms is the one they want gone the most. A people unarmed cannot defend themselves at all, the police, courts or governments have absolute power over you. I tell you now if you own a gun hold onto it for dear life. Never let anyone take that away from you.


Never going to happen. A majority of gun laws being passed now at least in my state are PRO gun ( http://isra.org/legislation/ ). Gun grabbers are at this point grasping at straws. Rather than outright banning firearms they are attempting to make it needlessly difficult to legally carry one. Take the Clinton Assault Weapon ban. They didn't outlaw 'assault rifles'. They outlawed FEATURES of the gun. An AR-15 could no longer have a bayonet lug, magazines were limited to 10 rounds (with no limits on how many magazines you could own and I believe older high cap magazines were grandfathered in). You couldn't have a telescoping stock. You could buy that style of stock but it had to be pinned permanently open.

Irrational fear breeds stupidity.

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Posted 3/7/14
Yes people should have the right to hold weapons. Around 50,000 people die a year from car accidents alone and yet I don't see the building of cars stopping anytime soon.
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Yes, murder weapons for all, kill your neighbour at the twitch of your finger, that way we're all safer.

Jesus. H. Christ do you people honestly believe what you say?

To extend it a bit, this particular nonsense drew my eye.


"Im sorry for voting for gun control. Im sorry for never buying a gun. I never thought we would need it....."


Why wouldn't that be "I'm sorry for not voting gun control, because now the criminals have one too..."

Guns aren't some magic wand that protect the innocent, they are an equaliser which makes it easy for anyone to kill anyone else at the flick of a switch, the deciding factor isn't proficiency, because the chances are that if you're defending yourself with a gun, it isn't going to be at long range with plenty of warning.

The deciding factor isn't speed, chances are one or both parties have already drawn there gun when it comes to time to shoot.

The deciding factor is not strength or physical ability, it doesn't matter how strong you are when the push of a button can end a life.

The deciding factor is willingness to shoot, and I'm sorry if you're so naive as to think that any random citizen is so sociopathic as to not hesitate or think twice when ending someone's life. The chance are that the criminal side of the equation has the edge there, as they're either too numb inside to care, or too desperate to care, hence why they're performing these crimes in the first place.

Mugging? Chances are the person is desperate for money or an addict, and that they've accosted you from a blindspot (alleyway, from behind), or that they've got the jump on you. Whichever way it goes they're not going to give you a polite warning beforehand and let you draw a bead on them, they'll have the gun out and be threatening you with it, if you think you're some sort of superhero who can draw and shoot faster than a trigger can be pulled, then I wish you the best of luck, the genepool won't miss you.

Burglary? Possibly the only chance you'll get to get the drop on them, but unless you're going with the intent to kill someone, which they may also have (and if there's more of them than you then, again, we're in superhero territory), then the chances are you're going to end up dead, which would have been avoided if you'd stayed upstairs and called the police instead of rushing downstairs into the belly of the beast with a handgun. If you're going to say that they'd come upstairs and kill you after they were done, then you're a fool, burglars typically tried to avoid confrontation with residents, they might run if you go in all guns blazing, then again, they might panic and fire back, either way, it'd be avoided by just calling the police.

If they came in with intention to kill the residents before burglarising the property, a gun just makes that easier.

Do I really need to go on? Readily available guns makes it easier for the criminals, because unless you're a psychopath, and walk around with gun in hand, you've not got the upper hand against an assailant.
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So your saying people don't have the right to fight back? Because the poor thief just might be desperate. No sorry as a citizen no as a human I have the basic right to defend myself and my home. I have been handling guns for over 40 years and I can honestly say Ihave only shot and killed those that at the time were doing their dammest to kill me

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So your saying people don't have the right to fight back? Because the poor thief just might be desperate. No sorry as a citizen no as a human I have the basic right to defend myself and my home. I have been handling guns for over 40 years and I can honestly say Ihave only shot and killed those that at the time were doing their dammest to kill me



I'm sorry, would you care to point me to where I said that people don't have the right to fight back or defend themselves?

Because without my saying that, all you have their is words you've pulled out of your own ass to support something I never argued against, in short, a strawman built out of your inability to do anything but repeat the same tired trackilne that your kind always follows, regardless of the fact that you yourself are the one who led it there, not I.

Defend yourself, defend your family, defend your property, good, proper, just.

To clarify, as you seem unable to grasp what is actually said in favour of the words you insert into peoples mouths yourself; A gun does not assist someone in defending themselves when everyone has one, the offender and the victim, as the offender isn't going to politely warn you before drawing a bead on you, and if you think you can draw your gun, line up a shot, and pull the trigger before someone who already has it drawn and is threatening you with it, then you're delusional.

Now that I've clarified it for you, feel free to address my actual point instead of some imagined slight that you can actually argue.
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Okay, American's do have the constipational rite to bare arms, so guns okay, outlaw bullets.
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Okay, American's do have the constipational rite to bare arms, so guns okay, outlaw bullets.




I prefer this idea.
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Argrh ya got me.
Posted 3/9/14
Just hand out guns. Everyone should also be part of the police force and your death will have finer meaning.
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Deciding whether or not people should be allowed to own guns is not a simple black and white: "yes" or "no".

In the basis of "anti-allowance of guns", anti-gun supporters are thinking of the perfect theoretical situation, where guns are banned from the government. A common intention and expectation is that nobody will have easy access to the weaponry, neither "innocent" people or "hostile people". Summarizing some of the opinions on this thread, this "anti-allowance of guns" line of thought is provided by ideas alike to some of the following:

1. Guns make it easier to kill people without a lot of physical effort
2. Giving lax attention/access to guns means that people can commit hostile acts
3. Guns are for destruction

...among other reasons. Despite this, I don't agree with this heavily pronounced anti-gun allowance perspective. Everything in theory has the capability to sound much better than it actually is in application, and this is no exception.

An example of this failure to consider the idea in a practical manner is the notion that cigarettes, alcohol, and other such drugs should be banned. Of course, the government earns revenue from allowing cigarettes and other legal drugs to be sold, but I digress. The reason why these drugs should not be banned is due to a consideration of human nature. To skip all the philosophy and get straight to the point: humans want what they cannot have. Many humans have already become familiar with alcohol and cigarettes, to the point of addiction. Now, the simple thought: "Why don't we just ban alcohol and cigarettes; surely that will entirely erase this problem!", is a bit naïve.

If you consider a person who is heavily reliant on alcohol and cigarettes, so much that their livelihood would be compromised without drugs in their lives, if you take away that thing they are oh-so dependant on-- what happens? What occurs? Would they decide to re-evaluate their lives? In most cases, this is just obtuse to consider; they are addicted. Their brain is craving for that one thing they are used to having. There is either a significant performance drop in their lives, significant withdrawal symptoms, and/or there is the attempt to re-attain that missing thing in their lives. They might try to participate in smuggling activities, or they might look to the black market for those suddenly illegal drugs. This does not benefit them. It may benefit "you", your conscience, the one who thinks that the world is a bit brighter now. But it doesn't benefit anyone.

Criminals (thieves, rapists, murderers, burglars, robbers, etc.) and illegal activity will not cease once guns are banned. If guns are banned, these criminals will find a way to obtain arms, whether that be from an illegal source or otherwise. In this scenario where the gun is banned, instead of the prediction ("Oh, now nobody will have guns!"), now only the criminals will have guns. Or knives. Or any other weapon that the world has ruled out "because it is destructive and can hurt other people!"

The criminals have illegal access. And you don't.
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