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Posted 8/18/14
No...
Just like how countries would be better without nuclear weapons....

...Because great power require great responsibility, from what I've seen... we, humans ain't responsible enough...
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The world would undoubtedly be a better place if guns never existed in the first place, but guns do exist and criminals are going to get their hands on them either way seeing as how the definition of a criminal is somebody who breaks the law. With that in mind, I think that if somebody wants a gun for self defense purposes that should probably be within their rights, but this is something I'm not very sure how I feel about.
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Posted 8/18/14

shuyi000 wrote:

No...
Just like how countries would be better without nuclear weapons....

...Because great power require great responsibility, from what I've seen... we, humans ain't responsible enough...


Yes the world would be better without nukes, but now that they are here and going nowhere the best we can do is keep them out of the hands of terrorists and use them as deterrents to prevent war. You don't see two first world countries going to war anymore and no nukes have been fired since WWII so I think it is working.
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kevz_210 wrote:

Yes the world would be better without nukes, but now that they are here and going nowhere the best we can do is keep them out of the hands of terrorists and use them as deterrents to prevent war. You don't see two first world countries going to war anymore and no nukes have been fired since WWII so I think it is working.


To nitpick a bit, when you say "first world country" while invoking democratic peace theory what you probably really mean is developed democratic states. Most of the first world (originally meaning states aligned with the US during the Cold War, and now basically synonymous with "developed country") was populated by democratic states of one sort or another, but not all democratic states were part of the first world (Finland and Sweden, for example, were actually third world countries due to their neutrality).

The term "first world" is a bit nebulous these days, so I figured I'd lend a hand for the lurkers' sake.
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Maybe it is not PC, and maybe the PC term is developed and developing countries, but you understood what I said so I think the point was made.
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Should people have to right to own firearms? When you look at it from a general perspective you can easily say "Yes" or "No", so in my opinion I say "Yes". They were built for protection of one-selves (or country I guess).
I feel the main problem however is what guns should be owned and who is allowed to own them.

For example: In america you can get a permit to own a gun in some states (I don't exactly know how because I'm on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean). So these are two, quite realistic examples. Both mentally sane people according to medical science with no record of crime or firearm history.

One: A man/woman, living in a known bad neighbourhood decides to get a license and purchase a handgun as robberies and other crimes are quite common (frankly he should move but whatever)

Two: A gun enthuiast buys his first rifle

Now I just simply believe that if there is a justifiable purpose for you to own a gun that will support you without doing any damage to other people (minus the criminal trying to attack you) then fine. If you have a gun for the sake of having a gun then no, not at all (even if it is a display then remove and sell all bullets and either leave it empty or replace it with blanks).

Thank you for reading
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Posted 8/21/14

kevz_210 wrote:

Yes the world would be better without nukes, but now that they are here and going nowhere the best we can do is keep them out of the hands of terrorists and use them as deterrents to prevent war. You don't see two first world countries going to war anymore and no nukes have been fired since WWII so I think it is working.


You are describing nuclear control... Countries with nukes using them as means of prevention...

...Same as guns, the authorities are allowed guns to aid them in crime prevention... commoners like you & me have no business carrying guns around...
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It's easier for me to go buy a rifle right now than it was for me to get my driver's license. I do believe people should be allowed to own guns but you should at the very least have to take a safety course and pass a test, as you would when obtaining your driver's license.
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Posted 8/24/14

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kevz_210 wrote:

Yes the world would be better without nukes, but now that they are here and going nowhere the best we can do is keep them out of the hands of terrorists and use them as deterrents to prevent war. You don't see two first world countries going to war anymore and no nukes have been fired since WWII so I think it is working.


You are describing nuclear control... Countries with nukes using them as means of prevention...

...Same as guns, the authorities are allowed guns to aid them in crime prevention... commoners like you & me have no business carrying guns around...


I think each country has a right to set its own policy and I respect other countries' decisions to ban public ownership of guns, but as an American many of us are skeptical of banning public ownership of guns mainly due to the historical precedence of guns being outlawed in some countries and later a large percentage of the population killed off by the same government: Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, 1970s Uganda, etc. Maybe it works for places like Japan, but while I cannot see mass executions here as a result I can definitely see the Federal government further abusing their power and oppressing the people. (taking away first amendment rights, getting rid of search warrants)
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It's easier for me to go buy a rifle right now than it was for me to get my driver's license. I do believe people should be allowed to own guns but you should at the very least have to take a safety course and pass a test, as you would when obtaining your driver's license.


Fully agreed!
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It's easier for me to go buy a rifle right now than it was for me to get my driver's license. I do believe people should be allowed to own guns but you should at the very least have to take a safety course and pass a test, as you would when obtaining your driver's license.


Shoulder fire weapons are so easy to operate. I cant honestly think of anything this test would consist of other than loading the weapon, putting it on safe, and then attempting to pull the trigger. Unless you want these people to practice shooters stance, shooting while moving, shooting behind cover, shooting while under fire, etc... but by that point your basically training a person on how to be a soldier which would probably make them more of a threat.
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Posted 8/25/14 , edited 8/25/14

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ChinaCat89 wrote:

It's easier for me to go buy a rifle right now than it was for me to get my driver's license. I do believe people should be allowed to own guns but you should at the very least have to take a safety course and pass a test, as you would when obtaining your driver's license.


Shoulder fire weapons are so easy to operate. I cant honestly think of anything this test would consist of other than loading the weapon, putting it on safe, and then attempting to pull the trigger. Unless you want these people to practice shooters stance, shooting while moving, shooting behind cover, shooting while under fire, etc... but by that point your basically training a person on how to be a soldier which would probably make them more of a threat.



Well I was thinking more along the lines of thing like knowing the parts of it, how to take it apart, clean it and put it back together. If someone can't be bothered to know basic things like that then they have no business owning one IMO. Sometimes you'll see a story in the news about someone shooting themselves or someone else on accident because they didn't know it was loaded or and weren't handling it properly. I think the test would assure that more responsible people are getting guns.
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Posted 8/25/14

ChinaCat89 wrote:


11BravoPatterson wrote:


ChinaCat89 wrote:

It's easier for me to go buy a rifle right now than it was for me to get my driver's license. I do believe people should be allowed to own guns but you should at the very least have to take a safety course and pass a test, as you would when obtaining your driver's license.


Shoulder fire weapons are so easy to operate. I cant honestly think of anything this test would consist of other than loading the weapon, putting it on safe, and then attempting to pull the trigger. Unless you want these people to practice shooters stance, shooting while moving, shooting behind cover, shooting while under fire, etc... but by that point your basically training a person on how to be a soldier which would probably make them more of a threat.



Well I was thinking more along the lines of thing like knowing the parts of it, how to take it apart, clean it and put it back together. If someone can't be bothered to know basic things like that then they have no business owning one IMO. Sometimes you'll see a story in the news about someone shooting themselves or someone else on accident because they didn't know it was loaded or and weren't handling it properly. I think the test would assure that more responsible people are getting guns.


Again, thats extremely simple. All it takes to see if a weapon is loaded or not is to pull back the charging handle and expose the chamber. It takes less that half a second to do so. The problem is people are stupid. Weapons are the easiest thing in the world to own, operate, and maintain.
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Well, yes. People should own guns. They should be used for PROTECTION only as well. Use of guns outside your own homes should be illegal. But if that was the case, hunting would die out and a lot of the food and animal control would get out of hand. Their are always two sides to the coin and both sides usually have good points. The problem i have is that anyone can buy a gun or acquire a gun from other means. Especially people with an unstable mentality.
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kevz_210 wrote:

I think each country has a right to set its own policy and I respect other countries' decisions to ban public ownership of guns, but as an American many of us are skeptical of banning public ownership of guns mainly due to the historical precedence of guns being outlawed in some countries and later a large percentage of the population killed off by the same government: Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, Communist China, Pol Pot's Cambodia, 1970s Uganda, etc. Maybe it works for places like Japan, but while I cannot see mass executions here as a result I can definitely see the Federal government further abusing their power and oppressing the people. (taking away first amendment rights, getting rid of search warrants)


You totally missed the point of the question...
...It isn't about USA's ability or inability to get rid of guns...
It's about whether or not humans should be allowed guns as weapons...
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