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This is where I have to say I disagree with you entirely. The Department of Education is not there to teach children morality and what is right. That is a duty of the parents. Teachers can teach you what is right and wrong by definition of law, but I do not want to see teachers having the right to also teach morality to children. For a simple point, not every single person runs on the same moral compass, would you want potentially some teacher who has questionable morals teach your child the direct opposite of what you would teach them?

I can extend my examples to people like James Holmes, or even the Virginia Tech shooter, one of the two most major massacres in US history, they had educations and bright futures but they decided to throw that away to just mass slaughter random people because of whatever reasons they had. I would also like to extend the fact that I make a bet some gun murders also had "Successful" individuals involved in them, it is just a fact education did not curb their decisions, nor did any other benefits of being educated.

As for if my situation is irrelevant, then you must look into the fact your statement about high school drops out being 4x more likely as irrelevant to guns. As again, most crime in America is drug related, mostly possession, sale, or use. So in other words more than likely those drop outs are also involved in drug crime. Again, pointless situation towards guns.

So I will say my understanding of the education system does not need to be reformed, the adults who brought kids into this society has to take ownership of their child's actions. Morality is a issue, but it is not something for schools to solve, it is subject for the PEOPLE to solve, specifically parents.


You seem to have a misunderstanding that I am speaking on a moral basis. Parents may and will choose to teach morals to their children, however that does not undermine the influence that education exerts on a child's upbringing. My statement that education shapes the next generation's values, teaches discipline, and develops the social skills needed to survive out in the real world, was referring to the very real and occurring phenomenon that education does, and will inevitably shape the next generation, regardless of whether it is morally entitled to do so. Whether that is exploitation or corruption of the education system does not matter: the current education system is a failure and has largely contributed to the production of drones and sheep in society. Depending on the perspective, this result may be positive, however I am speaking on behalf of the country and government.
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Nasigno wrote:

This is where I have to say I disagree with you entirely. The Department of Education is not there to teach children morality and what is right. That is a duty of the parents. Teachers can teach you what is right and wrong by definition of law, but I do not want to see teachers having the right to also teach morality to children. For a simple point, not every single person runs on the same moral compass, would you want potentially some teacher who has questionable morals teach your child the direct opposite of what you would teach them?

I can extend my examples to people like James Holmes, or even the Virginia Tech shooter, one of the two most major massacres in US history, they had educations and bright futures but they decided to throw that away to just mass slaughter random people because of whatever reasons they had. I would also like to extend the fact that I make a bet some gun murders also had "Successful" individuals involved in them, it is just a fact education did not curb their decisions, nor did any other benefits of being educated.

As for if my situation is irrelevant, then you must look into the fact your statement about high school drops out being 4x more likely as irrelevant to guns. As again, most crime in America is drug related, mostly possession, sale, or use. So in other words more than likely those drop outs are also involved in drug crime. Again, pointless situation towards guns.

So I will say my understanding of the education system does not need to be reformed, the adults who brought kids into this society has to take ownership of their child's actions. Morality is a issue, but it is not something for schools to solve, it is subject for the PEOPLE to solve, specifically parents.


You seem to have a misunderstanding that I am speaking on a moral basis. Parents may and will choose to teach morals to their children, however that does not undermine the influence that education exerts on a child's upbringing. My statement that education shapes the next generation's values, teaches discipline, and develops the social skills needed to survive out in the real world, was referring to the very real and occurring phenomenon that education does, and will inevitably shape the next generation, regardless of whether it is morally entitled to do so. Whether that is exploitation or corruption of the education system does not matter: the current education system is a failure and has largely contributed to the production of drones and sheep in society. Depending on the perspective, this result may be positive, however I am speaking on behalf of the country and government.


Personally you are putting far too much of burden on education or even to the point of expecting far too much out of it. Again education means nothing, nor can you expect that it be able to address all problems. As for education shaping the next generation? That is laughable at best, try popular culture, it is just a fact that media has a far larger effect than any education system. Least unless you can tell me that is not true?

Likewise, no offense but unless you are a representative of government, or appointed to a position to represent a mass of people you are speaking for your own behalf, and even if you are of a governing or representative body you still only speak for yourself. Personally taking your idea of that education has to rights to exploit leads to point of further making "drones" as again by your logic indoctrination is alright aslong it is carried out by educators? So if you are saying that is right, then kindly you speak for only yourself as I for sure do not believe in that.

Again the issue of violence is something to be dealt with more than education reform. It has to do with the justice system and society as a whole. At the end of the day, unless you uphold law and truly punish for violent crimes, you will continue to see violence.
Posted 9/13/14 , edited 9/13/14
I could just copy and paste off the WWW as many here have done and flame with other posts, but instead I'll just wing it and keep it simple, but I don't mind criticism, everyone is entitled to their opinions and experiences.
With that being said, alas, this situation is so complex and it's very relevance might depend on one's native country, but if you can get a gun, you probably should and preferably have taken appropriate classes on how to safely/properly handle one, but even that isn't necessary if you employ practical common sense. For example, keep them safely away from children or someone unfit to use them, etc, and know your country's laws. If you're a hunter, know those laws, too, as they can be rigid if you're found breaking them.

Is up to you to own a gun or not, and I don't judge or condemn anyone who thinks they're unnecessary. To each their own. Just be sensical as it applies to you, and vote accordingly.

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Posted 9/13/14 , edited 9/13/14

Zeboim wrote:

I could just copy and paste off the WWW as many here have done and flame with other posts, but instead I'll just wing it and keep it simple, but I don't mind criticism, everyone is entitled to their opinions and experiences.
With that being said, alas, this situation is so complex and it's very relevance might depend on one's native country, but if you can get a gun, you probably should and preferably have taken appropriate classes on how to safely/properly handle one, but even that isn't necessary if you employ practical common sense. For example, keep them safely away from children or someone unfit to use them, etc, and know your country's laws. If you're a hunter, know those laws, too, as they can be rigid if you're found breaking them.

Is up to you to own a gun or not, and I don't judge or condemn anyone who thinks they're unnecessary. To each their own. Just be sensical as it applies to you, and vote accordingly.

Nicole


But the public seems less capable of thinking for themselves and acting on common sense. They need to be told everything instead of go with their gut instinct. For someone like me, guns are something you take extreme care with and respect what we're capable of with them.
But in my own opinion having witnessed a decline in basic intelligence, people just want to do whatever and don't even consider the laws or consequences. It's sort of a "meh, brush it off my shoulder" type of society.
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