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Can a meaningful romantic relationship exist between an adult and a child?
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Posted 10/22/09

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No, there are those who live their lives in the pursuit of happiness. Just like those people who aren't afraid to have a life worth living for. For them, their pursuit of happiness is their rights, freedom, and justice to have the courage at doing what they want to do that will make them happy. And that's something that those who living with fear will never understand, as long as they are afraid to live.


I never said I was afraid to live lol, Being afraid of living is retarded( but I wouldn't doubt that a phobia of this exists somewhere ), I'm more than happy to remain alive, I have goals you know( probably won't accomplish all of them, but I will still try ), can't accomplish them if I'm dead now can I, can't do much of anything except slowly rot in the ground or get my ashes spread around if I'm dead.

But at the same time, I'm not afraid of dying either. I wouldn't mind it if I died as long as I was enjoying what I was doing at the time.


But that's not you, for as long as you outweigh your fear with reward, you'll end up doing something that you didn't even have the motivation to do so because it's not in your nature to do those things.


I do seem to remember to have said that Motivation == || != ( equal to, OR, not equal to, in c and its cousins) Reward.

I'm not always motivated by the reward lol, I could have absolutely no interest in the reward but still be motivated to do it for other ( personal perhaps ) reasons.


Which is why you're here again, when you'll risk yourself at the reward of not discussing the subject of pedophilia with me, by you making up more excuses for yourself. Or does this means that you're happy when you get to make excuses for yourself for not doing anything?


Saying pedophilia is a sexual preference is not an excuse lol. It is a sexual preference. Anything can be a sexual preference, sexual preferences are not limited to heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual. A sexual preference can be anything, trees, cars, rocks or even England. What you are sexually attracted to by default is your sexual preference, if it happens to be children than you are a pedophile, if its non human animals, your a zoophile, and so on.

Your the ones making excuses by not wanting to accept that pedophilia is just a sexual preference. Denial gets you nowhere. You continue to remain ignorant in whatever subject is at hand, in this case it happens to be pedophilia. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that humans are incredibly closed minded. This is a absolutely perfect example lol.

I'm more than happy to talk about pedophilia if you want, I have no problem talking about pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, coprophilia, or any other paraphilia you can think of. So, ask your questions or make your statements, or both.
Posted 10/22/09

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I'm more than happy to talk about pedophilia if you want, I have no problem talking about pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia, coprophilia, or any other paraphilia you can think of. So, ask your questions or make your statements, or both.

I already did, when I asked you to "make your own explanation on how pedophilia is a natural course of human evolution. Instead of you making a lot of random excuses. How is pedophilia is an extension of "survival of the fittest".
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And I already answered that. When I said, its a neutral trait. Neither harmful nor beneficial to its host so it can be passed on to future generations. Survival of the fittest doesn't apply to neutral traits, since they generally don't cause their host to die because their not harmful. So it can get passed on. I said this already. Had you actually read my posts you would have known or remembered that.


There are people with phobias of trees, gravity, men, women, standing up, certain colors, and none of these are beneficial to the host, its a neutral trait, just like pedophillia, necrophillia, attraction to sheep, cows, whatever, they are neither harmful nor beneficial to the host, neutral traits can survive for long periods of time. Since they aren't harmful and thus generally don't cause their host to die, they can get passed on to kids and grandkids, and great grandkids, ect. and they can remain dormant through ten generations before poping up in one only to go dormant again for another 6 or 7 generations.
Posted 10/22/09

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And I already answered that. When I said, its a neutral trait. Neither harmful nor beneficial to its host so it can be passed on to future generations. Survival of the fittest doesn't apply to neutral traits, since they generally don't cause their host to die because their not harmful. So it can get passed on. I said this already. Had you actually read my posts you would have known or remembered that.


There are people with phobias of trees, gravity, men, women, standing up, certain colors, and none of these are beneficial to the host, its a neutral trait, just like pedophillia, necrophillia, attraction to sheep, cows, whatever, they are neither harmful nor beneficial to the host, neutral traits can survive for long periods of time. Since they aren't harmful and thus generally don't cause their host to die, they can get passed on to kids and grandkids, and great grandkids, ect. and they can remain dormant through ten generations before poping up in one only to go dormant again for another 6 or 7 generations.

So you're saying that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that's "neither harmful nor beneficial" to the host, thereby making it a "neutral trait".

Therefore I ask, should those with pedophilia be rewarded for their sexual orientation? Thereby they can make themselves happy by them having sex with children. Or should they be denied of their happiness and if so, why? When their basic human rights guaranteed them equal opportunity during their pursuit of happiness.
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Posted 10/22/09 , edited 10/22/09

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So you're saying that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that's "neither harmful nor beneficial" to the host, thereby making it a "neutral trait".

Therefore I ask, should those with pedophilia be rewarded for their sexual orientation? Thereby they can make themselves happy by them having sex with children. Or should they be denied of their happiness and if so, why? When their basic human rights guaranteed them equal opportunity during their pursuit of happiness.


Are people who are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual, or the lesser common asexual rewarded for their sexuality ? No, sexuality isn't reward worthy. Its natural, people shouldn't get rewarded for things given to them by nature. But it not like it should be a god awful sin either, (since its natural, and us humans don't have the right to get to say what is an isn't acceptable about nature, nature created us, and the creator > the creation, thus we are not above it so we can't judge it ) If they really wanted to do it with a kid, nothing stopping them from going to another country where it isn't illegal. Its illegal so kids don't get forced into being a sexual slave. Which is a rather good thing, however its not an illegal thing in all counties, so if they absolutely had to, they could always go to another country and do it there, come back and keep their mouth shut. Legally theres nothing wrong with that, and I generally have a what I don't know doesn't hurt me policy.

If it makes them happy then work hard enough where you can afford to go to other countries and do it. That doesn't infringe on any rights, since they can still pursue their happiness, which btw is not a basic human right, there is no such thing as universal human rights, go to another country without that right and see what i mean. There is no such thing as basic human rights, life is not even a right. If it were your life would be gurenteed until you died a natural( old age, cancer, other natural but not man inflicted death ) death, and its not, you can be killed by anyone at anytime for any reason or no reason at all, thus your life is not a right, but this is entire another topic.

Anyway, since homosexuality, pedophilia, necrophilia are all naturally occuring things( they have been documented to occur in many species and are expected to occur in many many more species, that have sex in some form. ) no reason to condemn them like they are, sure pedophilia may be messed up, but nature in its entirety is pretty messed up. So just accept that they exist( tons of messed up sexual pref's exist that most people don't even know about, tons lol ) and get over it already.

When i say "neutral" and thus neither harmful nor beneficial, I mean that is does not generally cause the host to be a disadvantage and thus more likely to get out competed, or simply outright cause them to die, or benefical which would gives the host an advantage of some kind over its natural competition. There are tons of completely random and unexpected neutral traits.

However if it is beneficial to one its is harmful to another, as can be the case in these neutral traits like this, since its obviously harmful to the child.
Posted 10/22/09

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DomFortress wrote:

So you're saying that pedophilia is a sexual orientation that's "neither harmful nor beneficial" to the host, thereby making it a "neutral trait".

Therefore I ask, should those with pedophilia be rewarded for their sexual orientation? Thereby they can make themselves happy by them having sex with children. Or should they be denied of their happiness and if so, why? When their basic human rights guaranteed them equal opportunity during their pursuit of happiness.


Are people who are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual, or the lesser common asexual rewarded for their sexuality ? No, sexuality isn't reward worthy. Its natural, people shouldn't get rewarded for things given to them by nature. But it not like it should be a god awful sin either, (since its natural, and us humans don't have the right to get to say what is an isn't acceptable about nature, nature created us, and the creator > the creation, thus we are not above it so we can't judge it ) If they really wanted to do it with a kid, nothing stopping them from going to another country where it isn't illegal. Its illegal so kids don't get forced into being a sexual slave. Which is a rather good thing, however its not an illegal thing in all counties, so if they absolutely had to, they could always go to another country and do it there, come back and keep their mouth shut. Legally theres nothing wrong with that, and I generally have a what I don't know doesn't hurt me policy.

If it makes them happy then work hard enough where you can afford to go to other countries and do it. That doesn't infringe on any rights, since they can still pursue their happiness, which btw is not a basic human right, there is no such thing as universal human rights, go to another country without that right and see what i mean. There is no such thing as basic human rights, life is not even a right. If it were your life would be gurenteed until you died a natural( old age, cancer, other natural but not man inflicted death ) death, and its not, you can be killed by anyone at anytime for any reason or no reason at all, thus your life is not a right, but this is entire another topic.

Anyway, since homosexuality, pedophilia, necrophilia are all naturally occuring things( they have been documented to occur in many species and are expected to occur in many many more species, that have sex in some form. ) no reason to condemn them like they are, sure pedophilia may be messed up, but nature in its entirety is pretty messed up. So just accept that they exist( tons of messed up sexual pref's exist that most people don't even know about, tons lol ) and get over it already.

When i say "neutral" and thus neither harmful nor beneficial, I mean that is does not generally cause the host to be a disadvantage and thus more likely to get out competed, or simply outright cause them to die, or benefical which would gives the host an advantage of some kind over its natural competition. There are tons of completely random and unexpected neutral traits.

However if it is beneficial to one its is harmful to another, as can be the case in these neutral traits like this, since its obviously harmful to the child.

Why should I, when a developed nation such as Japan have child prostitution known as "assisted dating", aka "ENJO KOSAI".

Pedophiles have obvious advantages over their sexual partners due to their physical and mental maturity. However, since you rejected the idea of basic human rights, why the double-standards when you obviously don't believe in equality? Or are you simply a hypocrite?
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Posted 10/23/09

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Why should I, when a developed nation such as Japan have child prostitution known as "assisted dating", aka "ENJO KOSAI".


It says on the page it does not often involve sexual activity, most of the time not even hand holding or kissing, so its not really child prostitution. Besides if the teen is mentally mature enough, its no big deal. Age has nothing to do with maturity. Besides if the Japanese want to do something like that, they can. They have that right. Its their country, they can have whatever laws / systems / services they want there.


Pedophiles have obvious advantages over their sexual partners due to their physical and mental maturity. However, since you rejected the idea of basic human rights, why the double-standards when you obviously don't believe in equality? Or are you simply a hypocrite?


It's obvious they have advantages over the kid, size, strength, ect. But its still a neutral trait, it does not benefit or harm the host. Thus it is neutral. Sure it may harm the kid, but it does not kill the host, nor give him or her advantages for survival. Thus its neutral.

Being a disadvantage to the child is not taken into the equation. Only how it effects its host is. Most traits are disadvantageous to another life form. Some aren't but most are.

Go to Africa, see if basic human rights exist there. You can get killed for anything there. Basic human rights are not a world wide thing lol. Every country has different rights,, or simply none or close to none at all.

Equality isn't a naturally occuring thing, its man made, All men are not created equal lol, Someone born blind or with a missing limb is not equal to a man born with all his systems in working condition. People with disabilities physical or mental are not equal to people without them. Equality is a man made concept. It does not exist in nature naturally. This is all I have said. I never said I don't think its a good thing, nor did I say I disliked it. I have no problem with it. I believe gays should be able to get married if heterosexual people can. I believe people shouldn't be judged by something as insignificant as skin pigmentation( or lack off as with albino people ). I have no problem with equality at all, I'm all for it, I simply pointed out that it's not a naturally occuring thing, its a recent man made concept. That doesn't mean I don't like it or have a problem with it. I have no problem with the concept of giving all men an equal chance regardless of any disadvantages or advantages one might have over another. It's a good thing. Its worthless to make assumptions about someone without actually knowing anything about them.
Posted 10/23/09 , edited 10/23/09
i don't consider a 16 or 17 year old a child in my eyes the whole when you magically turn 18 makes you an adult is bullshit but that's my opinion, woman develope much more faster than men or if you hadn't noticed. You think that's bad though at least some of those girls are doing it with their consent here is a problem that is happeing in the good old usa.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20915810/detail.html
http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law/criminal-offenses-crimes-against/12131368-1.html
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
their is many more dom or need i post more for the lovely LAND OF THE FREE <.<
Posted 10/23/09

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DomFortress wrote:

Why should I, when a developed nation such as Japan have child prostitution known as "assisted dating", aka "ENJO KOSAI".


It says on the page it does not often involve sexual activity, most of the time not even hand holding or kissing, so its not really child prostitution. Besides if the teen is mentally mature enough, its no big deal. Age has nothing to do with maturity. Besides if the Japanese want to do something like that, they can. They have that right. Its their country, they can have whatever laws / systems / services they want there.


Pedophiles have obvious advantages over their sexual partners due to their physical and mental maturity. However, since you rejected the idea of basic human rights, why the double-standards when you obviously don't believe in equality? Or are you simply a hypocrite?


It's obvious they have advantages over the kid, size, strength, ect. But its still a neutral trait, it does not benefit or harm the host. Thus it is neutral. Sure it may harm the kid, but it does not kill the host, nor give him or her advantages for survival. Thus its neutral.

Being a disadvantage to the child is not taken into the equation. Only how it effects its host is. Most traits are disadvantageous to another life form. Some aren't but most are.

Go to Africa, see if basic human rights exist there. You can get killed for anything there. Basic human rights are not a world wide thing lol. Every country has different rights,, or simply none or close to none at all.

Equality isn't a naturally occuring thing, its man made, All men are not created equal lol, Someone born blind or with a missing limb is not equal to a man born with all his systems in working condition. People with disabilities physical or mental are not equal to people without them. Equality is a man made concept. It does not exist in nature naturally. This is all I have said. I never said I don't think its a good thing, nor did I say I disliked it. I have no problem with it. I believe gays should be able to get married if heterosexual people can. I believe people shouldn't be judged by something as insignificant as skin pigmentation( or lack off as with albino people ). I have no problem with equality at all, I'm all for it, I simply pointed out that it's not a naturally occuring thing, its a recent man made concept. That doesn't mean I don't like it or have a problem with it. I have no problem with the concept of giving all men an equal chance regardless of any disadvantages or advantages one might have over another. It's a good thing. Its worthless to make assumptions about someone without actually knowing anything about them.

Since age has nothing to do with maturity, you of all people should know that external differences, social status, cultural variations, even gender preferences can subject to change over time. Just because some human trades are tangible doesn't mean that humanity don't exist. Love, compassion, sympathy, dignity, individuality, cognitive thinking, these are just some universal trades that I can think off handily which make us humans. They're also what connect individuals together and make us people.

Now, can you describe how a pedophile can establish a connection with a child using those said universal trades, thereby justify your claim that even a teen can be mentally mature enough, let along a mere child? When you also claim that pedophilia is a neutral trade, when it obviously impairs its hosts' mental maturity and makes them unable to form connection with others.


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:

i don't consider a 16 or 17 year old a child in my eyes the whole when you magically turn 18 makes you an adult is bullshit but that's my opinion, woman develope much more faster than men or if you hadn't noticed. You think that's bad though at least some of those girls are doing it with their consent here is a problem that is happeing in the good old usa.
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/20915810/detail.html
http://www.allbusiness.com/crime-law/criminal-offenses-crimes-against/12131368-1.html
http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/franklin.htm
their is many more dom or need i post more for the lovely LAND OF THE FREE <.<

It's OK friend, these are plenty. And thanks for the help.
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Since age has nothing to do with maturity, you of all people should know that external differences, social status, cultural variations, even gender preferences can subject to change over time. Just because some human trades are tangible doesn't mean that humanity don't exist. Love, compassion, sympathy, dignity, individuality, cognitive thinking, these are just some universal trades that I can think off handily which make us humans. They're also what connect individuals together and make us people.


Other animals have most if not all of those as well. We humans aren't that different from our chimpanzee( and gorilla, orangutan( The non human great apes) brothers and sisters, since we are all in the same family as all of them.


Now, can you describe how a pedophile can establish a connection with a child using those said universal trades, thereby justify your claim that even a teen can be mentally mature enough, let along a mere child? When you also claim that pedophilia is a neutral trade, when it obviously impairs its hosts' mental maturity and makes them unable to form connection with others.


I'm simply stating the facts as they are, whether or not you like or even agree with them is of no concern to me.

Connections can have absolute nothing to do with sex. Fact

Pedophilia is legal and perfectly acceptable in some parts of the world, and that is their right. Fact)

Its neither beneficial nor harmful to its host Note I say host(pedophile), whether or not its harmful to another being(child) is of no factor. Fact.

A neutral trait for one can be harmful to another. Fact

Pedophilia can be but is not always is harmful to the kid involved. Fact.

Pedophilia is a perfectly natural, naturally occurring thing. Fact.
Posted 10/24/09

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DomFortress wrote:

Since age has nothing to do with maturity, you of all people should know that external differences, social status, cultural variations, even gender preferences can subject to change over time. Just because some human trades are tangible doesn't mean that humanity don't exist. Love, compassion, sympathy, dignity, individuality, cognitive thinking, these are just some universal trades that I can think off handily which make us humans. They're also what connect individuals together and make us people.


Other animals have most if not all of those as well. We humans aren't that different from our chimpanzee( and gorilla, orangutan( The non human great apes) brothers and sisters, since we are all in the same family as all of them.


Now, can you describe how a pedophile can establish a connection with a child using those said universal trades, thereby justify your claim that even a teen can be mentally mature enough, let along a mere child? When you also claim that pedophilia is a neutral trade, when it obviously impairs its hosts' mental maturity and makes them unable to form connection with others.


I'm simply stating the facts as they are, whether or not you like or even agree with them is of no concern to me.

Connections can have absolute nothing to do with sex. Fact

Pedophilia is legal and perfectly acceptable in some parts of the world, and that is their right. Fact)

Its neither beneficial nor harmful to its host Note I say host(pedophile), whether or not its harmful to another being(child) is of no factor. Fact.

A neutral trait for one can be harmful to another. Fact

Pedophilia can be but is not always is harmful to the kid involved. Fact.

Pedophilia is a perfectly natural, naturally occurring thing. Fact.

Says who, you? Nice try, Mr Practicality. [/sarcasm]

Now you can't even state an argument, when humans are interdependent creatures. While a pedophile is anything but.
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Says who, you? Nice try, Mr Practicality. [/sarcasm]

Now you can't even state an argument, when humans are interdependent creatures. While a pedophile is anything but.




I did state my argument, I've been repeatedly stating my argument over and over lol.

My argument is and was the following :

Pedophilia is rare but natural. You know kind of like a rare medical condition, rare but natural.

It is usually neither benefical nor harmful to the pedophile's survival thus it is neutral.

It can be but is not always harmful to the damn child in more than one way.


It doesn't matter how it effects the child or what you or anyone else thinks of it, it exists and will continue to exist for a very very long time. No matter how you or anyone else feels about it, its not going to go away, so just get over it already lol. Its kinda pointless to bitch and complain about these things where there is absolutely nothing you, I or anyone else can do about pedophilia.

Yes it tends to negatively effect the child involved, we both agree on this. But can either one of us do anything about it or its existance ? No. so whats the point in complaining about it ? If you want to do something about it, become a damn scientist, find the gene, trait, chemicals, molecules or whatever else causes it, develop a cure / anti whatever for it, market and sell it. Thats the only thing you can do about it lol.

Its like how the retarded homophobic christains try to protest and picket gays, like thats going to do anything lol, picket all you want they're still going to exist no matter how much you picket, because its a natural thing, it occurs in many many species besides humans. Same exact concept, complain about pedophilia all you want, its still going to exist.

Not all humans are interdependent lol, there are many people are solitary and have no problem with it at all.
Posted 10/24/09 , edited 10/24/09

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DomFortress wrote:


Says who, you? Nice try, Mr Practicality. [/sarcasm]

Now you can't even state an argument, when humans are interdependent creatures. While a pedophile is anything but.




I did state my argument, I've been repeatedly stating my argument over and over lol.

My argument is and was the following :

Pedophilia is rare but natural. You know kind of like a rare medical condition, rare but natural.

It is usually neither benefical nor harmful to the pedophile's survival thus it is neutral.

It can be but is not always harmful to the damn child in more than one way.


It doesn't matter how it effects the child or what you or anyone else thinks of it, it exists and will continue to exist for a very very long time. No matter how you or anyone else feels about it, its not going to go away, so just get over it already lol. Its kinda pointless to bitch and complain about these things where there is absolutely nothing you, I or anyone else can do about pedophilia.

Yes it tends to negatively effect the child involved, we both agree on this. But can either one of us do anything about it or its existance ? No. so whats the point in complaining about it ? If you want to do something about it, become a damn scientist, find the gene, trait, chemicals, molecules or whatever else causes it, develop a cure / anti whatever for it, market and sell it. Thats the only thing you can do about it lol.

Its like how the retarded homophobic christains try to protest and picket gays, like thats going to do anything lol, picket all you want they're still going to exist no matter how much you picket, because its a natural thing, it occurs in many many species besides humans. Same exact concept, complain about pedophilia all you want, its still going to exist.

Not all humans are interdependent lol, there are many people are solitary and have no problem with it at all.

Yet pedophiles are not schizoids, so once again you're deviating the topic.

If you don't want to discuss the topic on extensive discussion, it should be you who need to step away from the discussion. Not repeating yourself with the same old excuses.

And as long as you're a pessimist, you're just saying those things because that's what you do for who you are.

Therefore, this will be my final reply, for there's no help in those who don't wish to be helped.
Posted 10/24/09

DomFortress wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Says who, you? Nice try, Mr Practicality. [/sarcasm]

Now you can't even state an argument, when humans are interdependent creatures. While a pedophile is anything but.




I did state my argument, I've been repeatedly stating my argument over and over lol.

My argument is and was the following :

Pedophilia is rare but natural. You know kind of like a rare medical condition, rare but natural.

It is usually neither benefical nor harmful to the pedophile's survival thus it is neutral.

It can be but is not always harmful to the damn child in more than one way.


It doesn't matter how it effects the child or what you or anyone else thinks of it, it exists and will continue to exist for a very very long time. No matter how you or anyone else feels about it, its not going to go away, so just get over it already lol. Its kinda pointless to bitch and complain about these things where there is absolutely nothing you, I or anyone else can do about pedophilia.

Yes it tends to negatively effect the child involved, we both agree on this. But can either one of us do anything about it or its existance ? No. so whats the point in complaining about it ? If you want to do something about it, become a damn scientist, find the gene, trait, chemicals, molecules or whatever else causes it, develop a cure / anti whatever for it, market and sell it. Thats the only thing you can do about it lol.

Its like how the retarded homophobic christains try to protest and picket gays, like thats going to do anything lol, picket all you want they're still going to exist no matter how much you picket, because its a natural thing, it occurs in many many species besides humans. Same exact concept, complain about pedophilia all you want, its still going to exist.

Not all humans are interdependent lol, there are many people are solitary and have no problem with it at all.

Yet pedophiles are not schizoids, so once again you're deviating the topic.

If you don't want to discuss the topic on extensive discussion, it should be you who need to step away from the discussion. Not repeating yourself with the same old excuses.

And as long as you're a pessimist, you're just saying those things because that's what you do for who you are.

Therefore, this will be my final reply, for there's no help in those who don't wish to be helped.


I have a better cure for it a fucking bullet to the brain i might lolicon but that no that is wrong also i was molseted when i was s child so this hits home to very personal level with me.
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