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Can a meaningful romantic relationship exist between an adult and a child?
Posted 10/30/09

cerisey wrote:


chris74742 wrote:

yes, it can. but i dont think its rite at all!!


please explain how it can be meaningful to both the adult and the child, in terms of a 'typical' relationship?

I agree that it isn't right I just don't understand how it's 'meaningful' (that word could be interpreted in many ways I suppose)

If I may, I would like to introduce you to this statement of mine:

DomFortress wrote:
There are those who live their lives in the pursuit of happiness. Just like those people who aren't afraid to have a life worth living for. For them, their pursuit of happiness is their rights, freedom, and justice to have the courage at doing what they want to do that will make them happy. And that's something that those who living with fear will never understand, as long as they are afraid to live.


Now consider that human's frontal lobe reaches full maturity around age 25, while OTOH teens are prone to instant gratification with their underdeveloped frontal lobes. Not to mention is the fact that "At approximately 6 years of age, most children will have established a keen interest in "how babies are made". Children are becoming cognitively sophisticated enough that they will want to know how the sperm and the egg get together. Some, but not all, children in this age range will begin to be aware of the link between reproduction with sexual pleasure. In addition to possible discussions with parents or lessons taught at school, children will hear accounts of human reproduction from peers and be aware of sexuality content in the media", while "Some children in this age range (although a minority) will occasionally and consciously masturbate for pleasure".

Can you tell what's missing from teens and children? The absent of romantic relationship, aka the feeling of love. This, providing the fact that "there is a thin line between emotions and sexual stimuli in humans", while "The frontal lobes are considered our emotional control center and home to our personality". This leads me to think that while pedophiles can simply masturbate themselves into having sexual orientation towards children and consider "loving children" as part of their personality, children OTOH:

DomFortress wrote:
I don't think a child can naturally fall in love with an adult simply because how easily a child can be manipulated. That being said it's not like an adult can't behave childish when there are those who do so. Therefore the issue lies in maturity. So unless children these days are behaving like mature adults, then what's not stopping them from having romantic relationships with adults?

Here's something to consider, when the differences between the adults and children literature are the amount of sexual content and violent materials involved. Are today's children actively committing acts of sex and violence, or are they just simply being exposed?
Posted 10/31/09


dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever
Posted 10/31/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.
Posted 10/31/09

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.


well i don't feel like looking for a study but the suicide for pedos is around 60% if not more so at least they are doing themselves a favior
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Posted 10/31/09

CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.


well i don't feel like looking for a study but the suicide for pedos is around 60% if not more so at least they are doing themselves a favior


Well okay, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that anyone inflicted with paedophilia can never have a legit relationship with a child but...
what eludes me is whether there can actually be a non-pedo relationship between an adult and a child when paedophilia is not involved (at least for the post pubescents like age 15+ when puberty is almost done). The odds are probably as high as an orangutan typing Shakespeare but could any of those pedo fantasies in japanese visual novels actually work out as legitimate relationships?
Posted 10/31/09

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CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.


well i don't feel like looking for a study but the suicide for pedos is around 60% if not more so at least they are doing themselves a favior


Well okay, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that anyone inflicted with pedophilia can never have a legit relationship with a child but...
what eludes me is whether there can actually be a non-pedo relationship between an adult and a child when pedophilia is not involved (at least for the post pubescent like age 15+ when puberty is almost done). The odds are probably as high as an orangutan typing Shakespeare but could any of those pedo fantasies in Japanese visual novels actually work out as legitimate relationships?


well that's different i am talking about 10 year-olds or even worse baby %@#! sigh it's kinda hard to describe since i was a victim myself but at 15-17 a female is almost if not fully devolved and almost emotionally devolved but that really depends on the individual at hand, i mean take me for example i am 24 years old or going to be so soon, and hell i go the the mind and act like a 14-16 year old most of the time go figure. On the doujin side well Japanese girls grow up quicker and faster due to fact they have to take care of themselves more and do more things for themselves thus making them more mature than most spoiled kids over here but i do love my doujins and own over 200 since my have a source in japan ;__;
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Posted 11/1/09
its ok if the "child" has already hit the puberty becausw after that they would be able to tell the comcept of love. but, cgildren under the age of puberty is just no no............but if you love them seriously then wait fot them to grow up.......lmao
Posted 11/1/09

crunchypibb wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.


well i don't feel like looking for a study but the suicide for pedos is around 60% if not more so at least they are doing themselves a favior


Well okay, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that anyone inflicted with paedophilia can never have a legit relationship with a child but...
what eludes me is whether there can actually be a non-pedo relationship between an adult and a child when paedophilia is not involved (at least for the post pubescents like age 15+ when puberty is almost done). The odds are probably as high as an orangutan typing Shakespeare but could any of those pedo fantasies in japanese visual novels actually work out as legitimate relationships?


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
well that's different i am talking about 10 year-olds or even worse baby %@#! sigh it's kinda hard to describe since i was a victim myself but at 15-17 a female is almost if not fully devolved and almost emotionally devolved but that really depends on the individual at hand, i mean take me for example i am 24 years old or going to be so soon, and hell i go the the mind and act like a 14-16 year old most of the time go figure. On the doujin side well Japanese girls grow up quicker and faster due to fact they have to take care of themselves more and do more things for themselves thus making them more mature than most spoiled kids over here but i do love my doujins and own over 200 since my have a source in japan ;__;


azn_kawaii wrote:
its ok if the "child" has already hit the puberty becausw after that they would be able to tell the comcept of love. but, cgildren under the age of puberty is just no no............but if you love them seriously then wait fot them to grow up.......lmao

I would have to say no, not quite, and not even close. Because while the maturation of the human's frontal lobe is at age 25, this means that biologically speaking, people who're under the age of 25 can have the same emotional control as well as personality like teens with their underdeveloped frontal lobes; primed and programed for instant gratification by the modern society due to overexposure, but not so much as in judgment.
Posted 11/1/09 , edited 11/1/09

DomFortress wrote:


crunchypibb wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:



dom you can keep making excuse using science for pedos but as far as i am considered they need to be shot in the damn head, i was a victim of child abuse i have to sympathy for the son of bitches what so ever

That's where you had me wrong. For you see, I'm making hypothesis that pedophiles themselves are very likely victims of their own demise.


well i don't feel like looking for a study but the suicide for pedos is around 60% if not more so at least they are doing themselves a favior


Well okay, I'm pretty sure everyone agrees that anyone inflicted with paedophilia can never have a legit relationship with a child but...
what eludes me is whether there can actually be a non-pedo relationship between an adult and a child when paedophilia is not involved (at least for the post pubescents like age 15+ when puberty is almost done). The odds are probably as high as an orangutan typing Shakespeare but could any of those pedo fantasies in japanese visual novels actually work out as legitimate relationships?


CecilTheDarkKnight_234 wrote:
well that's different i am talking about 10 year-olds or even worse baby %@#! sigh it's kinda hard to describe since i was a victim myself but at 15-17 a female is almost if not fully devolved and almost emotionally devolved but that really depends on the individual at hand, i mean take me for example i am 24 years old or going to be so soon, and hell i go the the mind and act like a 14-16 year old most of the time go figure. On the doujin side well Japanese girls grow up quicker and faster due to fact they have to take care of themselves more and do more things for themselves thus making them more mature than most spoiled kids over here but i do love my doujins and own over 200 since my have a source in japan ;__;


azn_kawaii wrote:
its ok if the "child" has already hit the puberty becausw after that they would be able to tell the comcept of love. but, cgildren under the age of puberty is just no no............but if you love them seriously then wait fot them to grow up.......lmao

I would have to say no, not quite, and not even close. Because while the maturation of the human's frontal lobe is at age 25, this means that biologically speaking, people who're under the age of 25 can have the same emotional control as well as personality like teens with their underdeveloped frontal lobes; primed and programed for instant gratification by the modern society due to overexposure
, but not so much as in judgment.

i am going to be blunt about it Dom even when i 25 i will not mature in to a adult magically it will take life experiences with friend and doing many other things as well. I was babied to much as child and i some what sill am live at home with my parents etc. I mean come on people in ancient history where much more mature than we are now because they had to grow up and force them self to mature unlike spoiled kids today including myself who have everything handed to them on a silver platter. Over exposure on TV is nothing compared to the roman games where people body parts where ripped off for sport and so on sigh i am so tired right now from work i don't know even if i will bump this thread anymore. I do know one thing i am never having kids or getting married because that is my choice and i don't want to burden anyone's life anymore. Also if you wish to continue dom my pm box is open for dicussion
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Posted 11/2/09 , edited 11/2/09
Ask this guy

Somali man (112 years old!) marries girl (17 years old)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8331136.stm
Posted 11/2/09

rugal08 wrote:

Ask this guy

Somali man (112 years old!) marries girl (17 years old)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8331136.stm

He does it because it's the local custom of a society based on patriarchal masculinity:

This type of masculinity is nothing but about ruling over the lives of other individuals. All of these issues are about people having to give up their self identity to a group who has claimed superiority. It has denied these people a voice and given them a status of less than human.
Posted 11/2/09

DomFortress wrote:


rugal08 wrote:

Ask this guy

Somali man (112 years old!) marries girl (17 years old)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8331136.stm

He does it because it's the local custom of a society based on patriarchal masculinity:

This type of masculinity is nothing but about ruling over the lives of other individuals. All of these issues are about people having to give up their self identity to a group who has claimed superiority. It has denied these people a voice and given them a status of less than human.


all i got to say is he will die before he will sex
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Posted 11/3/09 , edited 11/3/09
Well, ask yourselves this. Did you ever have a crush on anyone as a kid? I did @_@. Lots of them. Mostly they were cartoon movie characters though. I remember having the longest crush on Geena Davis from the movie Cutthroat Island.

I think kids do feel romantic love, just like they can feel other kinds of love but there's no real commitment. I don't know how anybody who has lived their own life could say that they never had a crush, fell in love, or was attracted to romantically/sexually to somebody before they were 18 or whatever age is legal in your country.

The American Psychiatric Association has released studies that have shown adult/child relationships, including sexual ones, can be a mutually positive experience, but there's just so much potential for coercion purely for the sake of sex you could never normalize such a thing. They also received a lot of outrage for their findings and later said that while their empirical data may not indicate relationships with children to be intrinsically harmful, it is morally wrong to do so according to societies standards of behavior.

What that means is that having such a relationship with a child is putting them into a hostile position with society which there's no way they are equipped to endure emotionally. A kid will be constantly terrorized, interrogated, and be made to feel like they've been a part of something very wrong no matter what. If they didn't feel bad about it at first they certainly will after they've faced the reaction of their community.

Is it in any way possible for a some one young to to have a positive romantic relationship with an adult? Maybe.

Will it cause harm in todays society? Probably.
Posted 11/3/09

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Well, ask yourselves this. Did you ever have a crush on anyone as a kid? I did @_@. Lots of them. Mostly they were cartoon movie characters though. I remember having the longest crush on Geena Davis from the movie Cutthroat Island.

I think kids do feel romantic love, just like they can feel other kinds of love. I don't know how anybody who has lived their own life could say that they never had a crush, fell in love, or was attracted to romantically/sexually to somebody before they were 18 or whatever age is legal in your country.

The American Psychological Association has released studies that have shown adult/child relationships, including sexual ones, can be a mutually positive experience, but there's just so much potential for coercion purely for the sake of sex you could never normalize such a thing. They also received a lot of outrage for their findings and later said that while their empirical data may not indicate sexual relationships with children to be intrinsically harmful, it is morally wrong to do so according to societies standards of behavior.

What that means is that having such a relationship with a child is putting them into a hostile position with society which there's no way they are equipped to endure emotionally. A kid will be constantly terrorized, coached, interrogated, and be made to feel like they've been a part of something very wrong no matter what. Even if they didn't feel bad about it until they faced the reaction of their community, they'll certainly feel bad about it after.

Is it in any way possible for a kid to have a positive romantic relationship with an adult? Probably.

Will it cause harm in todays society? Probably.

Please provide the actual source with citation if possible, and not just some fancy rhetoric.

Otherwise, the fact still remains that due to empirical knowledge based on psychology research data, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders classifies pedophilia as a type of sexual disorders. Regardless how one Richard Green, M.D., J.D. requested to declassify pedophilia in 2002.
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Posted 11/3/09 , edited 11/3/09
The reports are out there. It's not like I keep them on hand or something. Google it? Search provides plenty of results related to the findings i mentioned. It causes quite a a bit of controversy.

http://www.section21.m6.net/res-apa.php
http://www.narth.com/docs/pedcrisis.html
http://www.exodusinternational.org/content/view/182/56/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=74882


I don't know the full contents of all these articles, some are probably not 100% related but nevertheless contain references to the APA findings that such relationships are not intrinsically harmful, and intrinsic is a very key concept in that statement. It doesn't mean it can't be harmful within a particular context, just that it isn't exclusively harmful by virtue of human nature. There can be, in an ideal circumstance where no abusive intent exists, a positive experience with such a relationship. So they seem to say at least.
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