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Are our actions determined, or are we free? (Free Will & Determism)
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Posted 10/30/07

Izimiger wrote:


hq145 wrote:

I am born with a certain genetic code that when placed in the environment I'm born into shapes itself accordingly. Everyone else has the same predisposition, and together we choose as we have been designed to do. Everything is determined.



I could never get past that.

wow very well said.
i agree to the first, completely. And to the second, why would u need to?


You don't need to agree with it, it just gives credence to the idea of determinism. In my mind it's fate's way of working things out the way it wants to. If there is such a thing as fate.
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i dont believe in fate....i only believe in consequence
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Posted 10/30/07
Consequence eh? A definite outcome will follow from a situation with given spacial constraints? Isn't that fate?
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Posted 10/30/07
"consequences" isn't a specified reaction. Free will could be thought of as a component of consequence, negating fate.
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Posted 10/30/07
"for every action a consequence"
-fable
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Free will results from the neural interactions in our brain, which is not even affected by quantum mechanics. No ambiguity, you make the same decision no matter what. Just like we know where a dropped ball will fall.
Posted 10/30/07
free...why you ask? cause there's such thing as suicide.
A person can decide if he/she wants to kill him/herself.
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The Goverment controls us ppl we are never free.lol... but seriously ppl only see the tip of certain things. You can go to the mall if you woke up and decided to today but the next that might be a dream that seems impossible. The world is unpredictable and what's supposedly free today can be a world away tomorrow. So just don't take things for granted. Are we free willed yes are we ourselfs free I dun think so.
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But, if God has a plan, then we really don't have free will do we?
Posted 1/12/08
great... i am planning to post a thread similar to this but oh well, i guess this is the discussion that i was looking for. a had a thread like this and got locked, saying that its similar to a certain thread which is really different. oh well i found this thread and i guess i'l have to post here whether i like it or not.


eternalslacker wrote:

But, if God has a plan, then we really don't have free will do we?


wrong kiddo, it is up to our free will whether we follow his plans or not.
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If things supposed to happen then was the jews only tools for us to learn not repeat the mistakes of the past?
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noname01123 wrote:
wrong kiddo, it is up to our free will whether we follow his plans or not.


Haha, I think I am older than you. Anyways, that idea is rather contradictory don't you think? You're just messing with what exactly is meant by the expression of "God's plan." Let me clarify for you then what I meant.

By God's plan, I mean that any choice or action you choose would adhere exactly to what God intended for you to choose. It doesn't imply that we are in some fashion aware of God's plan and choose to follow them or not (as your statement seems to imply). Conceptually, God is almighty, all powerful and all-knowing--he would know what actions we would commit "before" we commit them and as such he would be responsible for them. Thus, free will is just an illusion and an incompatible concept with some sort of predestination idea.
Posted 1/12/08

eternalslacker wrote:


noname01123 wrote:
wrong kiddo, it is up to our free will whether we follow his plans or not.


Haha, I think I am older than you. Anyways, that idea is rather contradictory don't you think? You're just messing with what exactly is meant by the expression of "God's plan." Let me clarify for you then what I meant.

By God's plan, I mean that any choice or action you choose would adhere exactly to what God intended for you to choose. It doesn't imply that we are in some fashion aware of God's plan and choose to follow them or not (as your statement seems to imply). Conceptually, God is almighty, all powerful and all-knowing--he would know what actions we would commit "before" we commit them and as such he would be responsible for them. Thus, free will is just an illusion and an incompatible concept with some sort of predestination idea.


oh... sorry buddy, my bad heheh :D.

that part you are wrong in thinking that there is no free will, for if you read the bible one of the context in it said, probably in genesis that god gave man free will.
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i really believe in good/bad karma... coz i already experienced it, many times... but for me there is no such thing as destiny... coz for me, ur the one making ur own path/way... just giving my own opinion...^_^
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i believe everything is predetermined no matter what choice we make whether it be good or bad right or wrong it is predetermined we can't change it but that doesn't mean we should follow the wrong choice or the wrong path in life we can choose but in the end we were supposed too make that choice...........if anyone understood what i meant
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