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What are your Religious Beliefs?
Posted 10/2/06
lawl. long post, haha.

religion, and politics, are 2 debates that i love and hate at the same time. because no matter how hard you try, its very rare to convince people. especially religious people, because they are so caught up in their church, and usually parents, bullshit that they are unable to get around to the truth.

for anyone that is wondering...i was raised with a mix of christian, catholic, baptist and agnostic beliefs. in fact, i went to a baptist school for a short time. it was due to my own beliefs that i started to learn more about things. and the more i learned, the more i saw it was all bullshit. learning history, learning peoples reactions, learning psychology...i can see where i came from. i can see why it exists. i can see why the mentally weak NEED religion in such a way.
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Posted 10/2/06
"you all have me very wrong. i hate religion. i hate most religious people. but i dont hate them for their religion, i hate them because it blinds them. because the deny possibilities. they deny probabilities. and they deny fact (like evolution). THIS is what infuriates me."

There is your mistake, how can you hate a person that is being blinded? if they are blind then they do not know it, for any blind man that could gain sight voluntarily would probably do so. In fact, the very idea of hating someone because of their "limitations" seems to me like a blind judgment
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Posted 10/2/06
Actually, I thought that the theory of man evolving was not that we came from apes, but rather that we branched off from another species refered to as the missing link.
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Posted 10/2/06
has no one seen Encino Man? Thats where we came from Ice Aged Neanderthols... (I know I can't spell) but anyways. Unfortunatly The Theory of evolution isnt a fact, hence Theory but its what most likely is correct.
Posted 10/2/06
i think you misunderstood. they are blinded by choice. there is the possibility to learn out there. it is everywhere. hell, i just showed it, and possibly taught some people a few things. its the fact that they simply believe in what they are told, and dont find out for themselves. people turn to religion in times of crisis, mostly...but when it comes down to it psychologically...they arent turning to god. they arent turning to religion. its the fellow followers, and their own personal beliefs that influence them. they may ask for some help, and then take a coincidence as miracle, but it was simply life going on in its usual fasion, and them applying their beliefs to it.

this is one of the most amazing things about religion and politics...it is open ended, and left for interpretation, so people are able to put it to nearly any meaning. to allow the reader/watcher to put it into their own terms and put their own feelings and cultural thoughts into it, makes these things indestructable. it is also what constitutes good fiction.
Posted 10/2/06
the theory of HUMAN evolution isnt fact...but parts of it are.

it is a FACT that organisms change their physical, and geneological, aspects to fit a certain situation and/or hardship. germs in a petri dish that get stronger and stronger to medicines is proof of this.

the THEORY part is that humans evovled, in eastern africa, from a chimpanzee-like species, roughly 4 million years ago into the first hominid. the reason it is theory and not fact is we are unable to locate the missing link, as you said. and we cannot genetically trace past a certain point, because we dont have the fossils for it.
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Posted 10/2/06
Haddon's right again
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Posted 10/2/06

haddon wrote:

i think you misunderstood. they are blinded by choice. there is the possibility to learn out there. it is everywhere. hell, i just showed it, and possibly taught some people a few things. its the fact that they simply believe in what they are told, and dont find out for themselves. people turn to religion in times of crisis, mostly...but when it comes down to it psychologically...they arent turning to god. they arent turning to religion. its the fellow followers, and their own personal beliefs that influence them. they may ask for some help, and then take a coincidence as miracle, but it was simply life going on in its usual fasion, and them applying their beliefs to it.

this is one of the most amazing things about religion and politics...it is open ended, and left for interpretation, so people are able to put it to nearly any meaning. to allow the reader/watcher to put it into their own terms and put their own feelings and cultural thoughts into it, makes these things indestructable. it is also what constitutes good fiction.


Im trying to learn so I can be educated in other beliefs as well as evolution. Now I finally see why this thread was not a half bad idea. Of course, I still think that Death_Blade is somewhat of a dumbass putting "I am a christian" after every post. I dont put "I am a Roman Catholic" after every post. I guess Im not really arguing you because you probably mean religous people as in those that are extremely zealous and ignorant not someone who is open minded.
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Posted 10/2/06
they cannot be blinded by choice because then dogma would not exist. dogma is mistaking a relative for an absolute, by doing so one becomes blinded or close-minded, but no one would choose to be blind. The real problem is that most people like certainty instead of doubt.
Posted 10/2/06
their religion blinds them to the truths, and they choose not to believe in these truths because it is against the ideas of their ever-change faith.

and arx, while i like religion in no form, other than as something to learn about, it is entirely tolerable, and indeed incredibly interesting, when i meet a religious person who is open to possibilities. in fact, that is the only way i can speak intellectually with a religious person without getting angered by they confounding stupidity and ignorance.

ignorance may be bliss, but life should not be blissful..life is about triumph of obstacle, learning from this, and bettering yourself and those around you with this knowledge (unless you are really pissed and just want to destroy shit. which is viable in some cases) if you simpy go through life as an ignorant sheep in one of the many gods cliques, you are denying yourself the greatest possible privelage...knowledge. it is knowledge that makes the world go round. not religion, or greed, or love...all of these are ecompassed in knowledge.
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Posted 10/3/06
exactly, "their religion blinds them" once you are blind you cannot see where you are going, that is, when you fall into dogma you become dogmatic not because you chose to, but because you are already blind by religion before falling into it. It is a mistake, and everyone makes them.

I disagree in one small thing, do not mistake knowledge for wisdom, while knowledge helps to reduce ignorance, wisdom makes you aware of your own ignorance. Both cannot progress without the other. And both should be a life-long pursuit.

I agree in most of your points, I hope you feel the same way about my response in page 14
Posted 10/3/06
well, while i dont agree in your almost stoic, plutonic view of "ultimate good", i agree with you on learning about things. if religion has taught me anything thruout its history, its that there is no universal good or evil, its all in the perceptions.
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Posted 10/3/06
Ha I was exactly the same way. like most people I was completely sure that good and evil are relative, until my Philosophy professor shattered my weak arguments. Back then he used to call the exact view that you have "College student morality". Now I just try as hard as I can to keep my virtues evolving and expanding and trying to control my ego by being aware of it.
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Posted 10/3/06
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Posted 10/3/06
hmm...well, that could be it, but i doubt it. i dont see most things as bad, or evil like others. like the killings in the WTC...i dont give a shit. a kid was killed by his dad here few months ago...and i stole the stuffed animals from his memorial. because i dont believe in sin, and i dont believe in true morals...only what i feel to be morally right. i have extremely strong morals, but they are extremely fucked up.

for instance, i wont steal anything of value from a person that worked for it. but ill be more than happy to steal from a store.

it could be "college student morality", but ive been this way since my sister was born. for some reason, that was a big turning point, and my beliefs changed dramatically. that was almost 7 years ago
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