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What are your Religious Beliefs?
Posted 10/3/06

williewill wrote:

Not to start anything else here, but Haddon could you tell me some of those things about the bible that arn't true? I 'm not trying to prove anything I just wanted to know what you think is wrong with it, in excruciating detail.



and sorry willie, i didnt read what ya said, stopped with the topic for awhile.

1. the bible states that the jews were basically kidnapped by the egyptians while they were in egypt, and forced into slavery. the egyptian tale says, in essence, the jews started working for the pharoahs, and over time they were made slaves. one of them has to be wrong, and judging by bias, i would say neither is right. the egyptians wanted to look nicer, and the jews wanted the egyptians to look worse.
2. depending on the version, it states jesus' birthdate differently. some say dec 25, others say something in september i believe. one of them has to be wrong again.
3. it makes no, or almost no (its debateable) mention of the aspects they stole from zoroastrianism. pre-cyrus, the bible was very different.
4. it doesnt have the books that were ommited in the Council of Mycaea, in which they decided which books should be in the bible, and which books should not. anything stating that jesus was simply human, not the son of god, or god himself, was entirely ommitted from the current version. there are 4 theories, all presented as truth, on who jesus was, depending on the version.
5. the global flood...there is no evidence that has happened in MILLIONS of years, altho there is evidence of regional floods that were massive. its blown completely out of proportion.

those are just historical and archeological facts that are incorrect. we could go into the other parts, but no use.

the point of the bible isnt historical fact, it is historical fiction. it tries to portray stories on how to live, and live well. it tries to do the same thing as the Illiad and the Odyssey. they both tried to show how to be a good, upstanding citizen. the bible is just about god and his followers, and thats how to be good. did moses take all his jews out of egypt by parting a sea and sending frogs down on the pharoah? hell now. but it showed that being unfair and horrible to people led to your downfall, and/or demise. the jews werent driven from israel and broken because they screwed up their pact with god...they were driven out by bad luck, the writers made it into a story of "be good and worship well, and all will be good."

but that doesnt work, does it? the jews, who were peaceful for the most part, for 4,000 years, have been enslaved, slaughtered, and driven from their homes numerous times...seems like its failed, huh? christians have been killed for their religion. catholics, mormans, jehovas witnesses, islamic sects of all kinds...being a good, religious follower doesnt work too well, does it?
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Posted 10/3/06
"Haddon is Correct and I happen to agree with most of it I just didn't read some of it."

Given the comments you were making earlier, Acer, a statement about who is correct coming from you doesn't mean too much.

Haddon...wow. I've skimmed over the last three pages (taking your posts into considerable account), and you're making a lot of statements and opinions/beliefs out to be facts. I'll continue in this debate once I'm done with classes.

However, I will state this before I leave. Evolution is NOT fact, at least not in the way of humans evolving from monkeys, and such dramatic changes like that. If by evolution, on the other hand, you mean adaptation, then that would be fact.
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At least it isn't an entire fabrication like creationism is.
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Posted 10/3/06
Mostly am a Athiest. But i like reading about All kinds of Religion, and i meditate alot.
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Hmm, am mostly a athiest, but i do study religion.. All kinds of religion, from satanism to Chatolism, buddism and a little hinduism (very difficult to find anything on hinduism. Logain you a muslim or a hindu... I think xD
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Posted 10/3/06
Im Catholic, but i haven't gone to church for as long as i can remember. I do go on special occasions such as Christmas, or Easter Sunday masses.
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Wow that took forever lol. Anyhow I agree wit what Williewill and PhooMagoo is saying. There are some good points in what all of you are saying but I have a question for you guys and I would love for anyone and everyone to answer plz. If we did evolve from apes and if the big bang did happen, How did they get there in the first place?? How did all that material from the big bang get into a small ball get there?? Did it apear out of nowhere and there was a small ball?? Also how did the organisms get there. All the micro organisms?? For me all this leads to one Person and that is God. God can create things to be as old as he wants it and how young he wants it. The fossils in my opinion came from the flood that happened. When god said take 2 of each kind of animal he even meant the dinosaurs. YES WE LIVED WITH THE DINOSAURS!!!! Anyhow thin about the questions and post your answers plz.
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Posted 10/3/06

Celas wrote:

Hmm, am mostly a athiest, but i do study religion.. All kinds of religion, from satanism to Chatolism, buddism and a little hinduism (very difficult to find anything on hinduism. Logain you a muslim or a hindu... I think xD


Me a Hindu the relegion of hippies I m not kidding, BTW i can get u a billion things in Hinduism if u want
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Posted 10/3/06
Im just Here. I was born into a pure Catholic family, though i dont go along with many of the catholic stuff. If i ever had to go to a catholic style school i would most likely end up creeping out the nuns on purpose to get thrown out..I beilieve a bit into the god and devil ideal but not so on the based on which is really good and which is truly evil. Since Heaven would be a dream and hell would be a nightmare.. with the ability of Nightmare control in my pocket i would take hell over heavin. sinc ei bet i could make it to be a really awsome demon. though i hate cussing,killing, and other bad stuff. I would still be able to claim a large portion of the region as mine. this speaking in terms if hell is in the same sense as a never endening nightmare.

Religion is to me sumthin to do when bored, or for people who truly believe is a way to make a spot for themselves i nthe after life.. I dont pray, go to church i never even read anything in a bible. I get creeped out when i even go in a church.. Um Religion doesnt affect me much, and i dont care much of it, i dont comment on others beliefs, even if i know some interesting facts.
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Posted 10/3/06
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Just because some fundamental answers are not available right now it does not mean we should simplify things and simply say that all leads to God. Even if God exists we should never stop questioning our current knowledge and available resources.
conformity and certainty leads to lack of creativity. Many of the most revolutionary concepts in physics, astronomy, philosophy, and even religion have ocurred thanks to great men who challenged that certainty and doubted the knowledge of their times. If you were to read the history of philosophy for example, you will see that periods such as the renaissance, the enlightment, the lead to american independence, etc happened because of men who questioned many things taking for granted at the time, or just simply assumed to God's will, simply because the knowledge at the time was not questioned.
PS: seeing God as a person, to me just shows the limited imagination of human beings.
Like a greek skeptic once said, "If animals could draw like men, then horses would draw gods that look like horses, and oxen would draw gods that look like oxen".

Haddon
It seems to me that you have a sort of moral relativism combined with some ethical egoism, of course many people are like this, it is just that you seem about to break away from those views, because I used to sound like you in regards to religion and knowledge, before someone showed me how self-defeating and flawed those views are. If you really follow what you are preaching in this forum about learning, then I am pretty sure that soon you will see it too
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Posted 10/3/06
why is everyone posting soo long messages this is not supposed to be a serious discussion
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Posted 10/3/06
never assume the obvious is true. Just because you don't think this is a serious discussion, it does not follow that others think the same.
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Posted 10/3/06
So is it a serious discussion to u mauz cuz I am all up for starting a Catholic club in this forum even though I am not Catholic
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Oh is that kenshin oon ur avatar
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