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halibel wrote: erap's pardon was funny for me..


it's funny for me since erap and his group of lawyers said: 'hindi kmi tatanggap ng pardon khit blah blah blah' but then they accepted it.. he's even joking/telling us that he has second thought for running as a president in the next presidential elections... i also heard some questions like 'will you stay as the opposition's leader despite the fact that president gma gave you pardon?'..


and i was also thinking why was erap placed in a big-and-beautiful-house-like 'kulungan' (sorry, i don't know what's the term.. jail seems inappropriate) when some of our people are just in a small place squeezing to each other? that's the problem with us.. u will treat the person with higher state in life (mas mataas na estado sa buhay.. sorry, i'm not that good in english.. pls. forgive this grade 6 student) better than those who are 'low-life' persons when some of the people have the same case as erap?? it means that arroyo is not treating people equally.auugghh, i'm out of my mind already.. lol

~> sorry if u don't understand my opinion.. ^.^
~> sorry again because i did not follow the rules the no translation stuff whatsoever' since i'm out of my mind..
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~ I am also quite not updated with Filipino news, and didnt have any idea that an impeachment thing was motioned against Arroyo, what I know, is that the prices are very high, in the provinces, I heard from my cousins that eggs cost 5 pesos each now, Powdered milk is 500 pesos and I wonder how expensive the other things now too. The dollar value is declining, but the economy isnt getting better, its very hard for people here in abroad giving money to our relatives when the dollar value is down. I hope the government can start rising, though it is quite unexplainable how they will pay the debt of Marcos. Tourism is also getting less because of the Terrorists that wants to overthrow our corrupt government. I wonder what will happen to Philippines in the future.


Things here are getting expensive:(I heard that about 7-8 million people move to abroad this year to work there because the jobs in the Philippines don't promise much salary.It's true that the dollar is declining but the economy isn't much better.It's said that in SEA,Philippines has the most people who are poor:(

~I'm really depressed of what our goverment is doing.They focus on unimportant things when our country isn't changing at all.Many people are hungry and all they do is corrupt our money:(



and i was also thinking why was erap placed in a big-and-beautiful-house-like 'kulungan' (sorry, i don't know what's the term.. jail seems appropriate) when some of our people are just in a small place squeezing to each other? that's the problem with us.. u will treat the person with higher state in life (mas mataas na estado sa buhay.. sorry, i'm not that good in english.. pls. forgive this grade 6 student) better than those who are 'low-life' persons when some of the people have the same case as erap?? it means that arroyo is not treating people equally.auugghh, i'm out of my mind already.. lol


High class people are treated much better,aren't they?What about poor people?(lol Im in 6th grade too)


Ok then, May I ask what's happening to Arroyo since everyone seems to hate her so much...


Many,AND I MEAN MANY,people hate her 'cause it was said that she was involved in some corruption issues.Did you hear the "Hello Garci" tape?That thing caused a lot of chaos between the goverment and people who hate GMA

~Well,basically people hate her cause they say she doesn't provide much care to the people
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my mom started ranting about the false rise of our economy, im so confused why is that our peso is getting stronger and the poor people are getting weaker? oh theres a storm right now in mindanao going up to the visayas my guess is that it wouldn't even reach manila .. just a guess.

another is the topic...

is piolo and sam gays? well for me there is a great chance the two are hiding something.. with piolo starting as bold star then and sam wearing tights on ice theyre pretty much gayness.
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Haha. Yellowkisses. That's funny! You have to keep in mind professionalism. Sam Milby is an actor by profession. He has to do whatever is expected of him as an actor.

haha. I don't know about Piolo. I really think he is gay.


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my mom started ranting about the false rise of our economy, im so confused why is that our peso is getting stronger and the poor people are getting weaker? oh theres a storm right now in mindanao going up to the visayas my guess is that it wouldn't even reach manila .. just a guess.


Okay. One more explanation. Believe it or not, our economy is really rising. It is rising because of the dollar remittances of the OFWs and because of the improved tax collection as a result of the e-vat or R-vat. Our dollar reserves are getting bigger and bigger, and the government is getting more tax (our tax collection percentage is still below 20, i think).

We won't feel the immediate result of the economic rise, of course.

Anyway, our economy is really getting better, but then, we also have to take into account the price of petroleum. Even if our economy is getting better, the price of gas is rising faster. If you didn't know, almost everything needs gas. Transportation, production, manufacturing - all of these things need gasoline. As a result, commodities are still becoming more and more expensive.

For the poor people, I don't know. I guess it's the corruption of our government. As well as corporations placing too much importance in college degrees and stuff. Unlike the US.





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Mmkay. Here we go? Talking about the bombing at the South entrance in the House of Representatives, do you really think that it was done to divert the public's attention away from the impeachment complaint against the President? Or it is just purely terrorism? Or is it only an act of the enemies of the late Cong. Akbar? (may his soul RIP)


Gad, you know the driver who died? It was my former teacher's driver. I swear, we panicked for a while thinking it was our teacher who didn't make it. Unbelievably enough, the news reached me about two minutes after it happened. (maybe that's why the wrong info) and I was in HK!

And regarding the impeachment, it's never gonna happen. Not in the Philippines. I feel sorry for Cong. Akbar, but his funeral must have been hilarious. (how many wives did he have again?)

And yes, I think it's bout Congressman Akbar.
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i was really really wondering why politicians have so many cars and mansion-like houses when they only have a low salary serving the philippines? what a way to demonstrate corruption, huh?
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edsamac wrote:

^ I don't think it was funny at all. It's as if the trial for the past 5 ~ 6 years was for naught... it's an insult to the judicial system of the Philippines and is, really, just distasteful.

I just think that there's a little too much drama going around... it's not really all too chaotic, it's just that things are being blown waaay over proportion.


i think estrada's pardon was NOT an insult to the judicial system at all. it was done according to law anyway, the president could give pardon if the one being sentenced is age 70 or more. and besides, give the man some grace. what happened to estrada, all the humiliation, what he lost, being in house arrest for 5 or 6 yrs is more than enough, i believe. I mean, come on, in another country, they give presidential pardon to a former president as well and they do not take 5 or 6 yrs,... usually, if not all former presidents are given pardons, take nixon and his watergate scandal for an example.

but what bothers me is estrada, after receiving pardon, seems to have softened towards arroyo, which is understandable if i were in his shoes but quite despicable, saying "Palakpakan natin ang PANGULONG ARROYO" -- remember before, he refused to accept her as president.

but hey, he's old, so why should he refuse the pardon right? who would stick to their pride and not accept the pardon just for that "pride"...
give the old man a break..

as with the philippines economy, yeah, its doing quite well, but the only people affected by this are the rich themselves, the masses, the poor, do not receive any of the benefits. seems the trickle down effect isn't applicable to the philippines...

sad, sad world... what's happening to humanity? taking arms, guns, bombs, military paraphernalia, spending more for them than anything else, above all else, more than the funds for education and health. when i say this, i mean taking the whole world into consideration and not just the philippines.


I'm fine with the Estrada pardon, not because he deserves it but because it was just an act of formality, everyone in the field of law knew beforehand that should Estrada be convicted, Arroyo will pardon him, why should she not when ERAP represents the common majority of the Philippines and she needs the support of those people?

ARROYO PARA SA MASA KUM BAGA (don't know the English term)

However, I do agree with Ed that it's almost an insult to the Judicial system, but since Pardon is relatively exercised by the President alone (because it is a Political power and not Judicial) It does not fall within the jurisdiction of the Judiciary, Arroyo by all means had the right to give it. Relatively, it is not really in bad taste because for Arroyo to be able to grant Pardon, there must first be final conviction of guilt. That is exactly why there is the Judiciary, the 5-6 years of trial, etc-etc.

So why was it distasteful? Erap was barely feeling the effects of conviction when he was given absolute pardon. Sheesh, you should just have acquitted him if that was the case. At least send him to jail for a while! (Not house prison, mind you.) They went through all the trouble, wasted Philippine money to hold those years of trial and the convict didn't even feel the repercussions of his conviction.

But hey, all's said and done. He's free! Anyway, the commission of the crime or offense is a fact that would remain only, Erap won't serve sentence. But whatever the case, I want him to return the money he...plundered? from the government. We're (i'm talking about the people, not the economy) already poor enough as it is!

As for Philippine economy, honestly, we don't need money, we are not poor at all! What we need is a just and humane system. Most Filipino's pay taxes, not to mention the OFW remittances, tourism, the Korean invasion, etc-etc. So where does it all go?

POLITICIANS.

The government makes a yearly budget which includes EVERYTHING. (Health, education, salary increase, betterment of society in general AND YES, GUNS AND AMMO'S TOO) but for some reason, nothing ever changes? Why do you think is that? And notice that the more money comes in, the more "poor" we seem to get..This class society thing is pissing me off. The rich gets richer, the middle-class becomes poor and the poor LITERALLY goes to HELL. How do you expect to live in such a society without becoming one of them? Most politicians have 7 cars! Not including their bodyguard's cars! (and their wiveS, children, cousins, etc.) Remember, pork barrel for each is like, what? 200 million a year?! I won't even start with the Travel allowances, etc.

We're not a poor country because we have no money. Money's abundant, it just doesn't reach the people who need it the most. Hence, the 12 year old who committed suicide because of hunger.

As foe Entertainment, HELL YEAH! PIOLO IS GAY!!! (No, Sam Milby isn't) but whatever, I fully support such love team! If ever they'd star in the Philippine RIP-OFF of Brokeback Mountain, i'd be the FIRST in line.

Cheers!
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halibel wrote:

i was really really wondering why politicians have so many cars and mansion-like houses when they only have a low salary serving the philippines? what a way to demonstrate corruption, huh?


That's not called demonstrating corruption, that's called demonstrating disparity. It's more of a question as to why such a great disparity exists. Blaming it on corruption is one way, but that's rather unfair to those who have rightfully attained their assets. As far as property acquisition is concerned, it may have little to do with politics.
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all these bombings are pointed by the opposition to the arroyo administration without concrete evidence, they only keep on talking that the bombing and explosion was to divert the attention of the people, in my opinion they should work harder on their job rather than talking in media as if they have all the answers to improve the economy and status of our country, i think they are just pulling us down (crab mentality)
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The increasing number of extrajudicial killings in the country should be a major
concern for everyone. These killings show that the country is worse of than it was
during the darkest days of Martial Law, since it is happening at a time when the country
has supposedly regained its democracy. People are being killed with impunity, and
the government has done nothing to bring justice to those human rights victims.
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For the people who are talking about the sad political and economic state of the country.

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One major enemy of progress in the Philippines is really the ignorance of the lower middle class to the low class. They compose almost 90% of our country's population. Also, the lack of good and respectable jobs for the people in that socio-economic bracket. What do we get as a result? We get a country who's population is lacking critical-thinking skills - like logic, public decorum, morals - and lives in a "hand-to-mouth" lifestyle which further results in the infamous Philippine "crab mentality". Sad.

On the lighter side -

You may find me delusional, but I am actually studying in a university to start a Filipino corporation based on technology and healthcare products that will force foreign companies to lower their prices and hire people from ALL the socio-economic classes. Cheers to a brighter Philippines!
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oh my god!
signal #2 typhhon...
i don't know the name...
it really struck cebu, but not that bad...
people are stranded because it arrived here early afternoon...
electricity was shortly cut to refrain from more serious problems...
and the malls were closed as early as 7pm...
and to think a lot of people are stranded in the malls due to the lack of jeepneys and taxis....
i was one of them... X_x
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chariline wrote:

oh my god!
signal #2 typhhon...
i don't know the name...
it really struck cebu, but not that bad...
people are stranded because it arrived here early afternoon...
electricity was shortly cut to refrain from more serious problems...
and the malls were closed as early as 7pm...
and to think a lot of people are stranded in the malls due to the lack of jeepneys and taxis....
i was one of them... X_x


its Lando its striking the southern part of the phil. even killing a few some peepz...funny iam not affected by this.. maybe i need to watch the local evening news more.. i only knew about it while surfing channel and its on cnn.. while watching the news, the people who were left in thier miserable state foraging on what appears to be smashed homes, alienated me.. i mean are they really our kind.. they seem to be from a much poorer planet.. oh yeah we are third world.. kewl. were aliens!

whats up on politics nowadays?

politics makes me snooze.. posts up there ^
are really long.. whew you sure you guys really know what youre talking about? Erap should just have left the country... hes like the man from chains avenging. and whats with lim siding with him? (erap) best buds.. or kissing asses.

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Philippine politics were S-U-C-K-S
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its Lando its striking the southern part of the phil. even killing a few some peepz...funny iam not affected by this.. maybe i need to watch the local evening news more.. i only knew about it while surfing channel and its on cnn.. while watching the news, the people who were left in thier miserable state foraging on what appears to be smashed homes, alienated me.. i mean are they really our kind.. they seem to be from a much poorer planet.. oh yeah we are third world.. kewl. were aliens!

whats up on politics nowadays?

politics makes me snooze.. posts up there ^
are really long.. whew you sure you guys really know what youre talking about? Erap should just have left the country... hes like the man from chains avenging. and whats with lim siding with him? (erap) best buds.. or kissing asses.



Sorry if our posts are long. We just enjoy critiquing politics, is all. It's not that hard to keep informed about Philippine politics. It's really just a lot of common sense - which, sadly, our politicians don't have.:) And another reason why our posts are long is because we embellish our posts with our opinions. :)
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