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Seriously, I have never seen a group full of crap more than the anti-gay marriage advocates. Every single one of their arguments is so easy to tear down, it's almost shameless. Let's take a look, shall we?

-Gay marriage doesn't fall within the definition of a traditional marriage.

Slavery was also a tradition for thousands of years. Do you want to bring that back too?

-Gays would be bad parents and therefore shouldn't marry.

Not only is there no evidence for the claim that gays are worse parents than straights, but their argument is incredibly selective. Do they advocate the abolition of marriage for smokers, drug users, murderers, rapists, or even convicted child abusers? No. That's right, according to them, a pedophile can get married as long as he's straight because he'd only be a bad parent if he (or she) was gay.

-Gays can't have kids.

An offshoot of the previous one. And of course they don't apply this to the elderly or women who had their ovaries removed due to cancer, for example.

-My religion doesn't allow for gay marriage.

Too bad. We don't live in a theocracy and your religion therefore doesn't matter when it comes to making laws. Not only this, but the vast majority of the world religions don't condemn homosexuality the way that the three Abrahamic religions do. Why is your's more important than theirs?
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This shows just an unbalance of society where social institutions and the people in general simply refuse or take long to accept/adapt to changes. I find it primitive, dogmatic, but it's not surprising.

PS: this topic does horrible in this forum. Is not the first gay marriage thread we have had. So while there is hope (since there is an extended discussion section now) dont be surprised if the posts make you shove a burning piece of metal through your eyes.

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-1527/Gay-Marriage.html?pg=43#3212911

Just saying.
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^^ It is not really a shock to me that people are against it. I read through that thread, and it was the dumbest thread I have seen hear on CR with the exception of that Islam thread.
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i'm not against them being legally married, anyone should be able to choose who they want to spend their life with, but i am against them adopting kids. i don't think any kid deserves to go through the ridicule, and possibly trauma, and lack of a mother figure, that a kid would go through.

it would be mean of gay couples to adopt a kid in my opinion.

*EDIT: i changed my mind, i guess i would rather be a gay love-child than grow up in an orphanage
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it would be mean of gay couples to adopt a kid in my opinion.


why?

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051012/study-same-sex-parents-raise-well-adjusted-kids
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I'm reading through that other forum now and I am laughing so hard... I feel bad, but I don't understand some peoples point of view. It could be because I am gay myself.

The gay parent thing? My mother is gay (has nothing to do with me being gay, but does make me believe more that there is a gay gene) and out of my straight parent and my gay parent, I love my gay one. My father was nowhere to be seen and thought alcohol was more important than his family. Lately he met a new woman and is getting married and now his kids aren't allowed to be around because we are not part of his new family... but he still thinks he's a great parent and would do anything for us (as long as he doesn't actually have to have any sort of interaction with us).

I have 2 straight brothers, and me. I could not be happier with my mother and the way she raised me and I would have to say I could not be happier (my brothers agree).

Now to the main topic: I think gay marriage should be allowed. I don't view marriage as a religious ordeal, because in today's society, it really is not. Yes it has religious roots, but its the government that changed that a long time ago. If they had marriage have nothing to do with politics, then it wouldn't be a very big deal. But it's hard for me to think, just because I'm different I can't have the same rights as the "normal" people. I am not sure I personally will get married (at least now) because of its religious background, but I do not believe they should say that we can't because its "morally wrong" or its for procreation. Morals come from your environment (area's of the world believe things are morally right while others find it wrong) and social status. Things also change over time.

I guess thats all for now, thanks for listening and I hope everybody keeps an open mind to both sides and tries to come away learning something. ^_^ au revoir
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If two people love each other they should be able to be married. In the US we are supposed to have separation from church and state, and we do in most cases. But when it comes to gay marriage, the only reason we don't allow it is because of religion. It's such bullshit! No one has the right to say "you can't marry that person because you two are the same gender."

So what if it doesn't fall under the definition of "traditional" marriage. My best friend is having a black wedding, and that isn't traditional, so are you going to try to pass a law saying she can't get married because it's not "traditional"?

Someone's sexual preference doesn't change the fact that they are still human beings and deserve the same rights we heterosexuals have.
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Also I want to just say one more thing on why I believe they should be legal... well two, but I believe they go hand in hand.

As stated in the other post (which I just thought of, decided not to write, saw it, and decided to write... if that confuses anybody I apologize) is the fact that a homosexual in America can't be with their significant other while a married person can be with their other when their other is on their deathbed in a hospital or in critical condition. Instead of being able to spend the rest of the time their S.O. had left with them, they have nothing to do but worry.

Then there is also the problem with legal matters. Say then said person dies, and in their will they leave everything to their S.O.
A family can easily fight (and usually win) that they coerced the dead partner to leave them everything. They need to jump through a million hoops to keep their will in tact and keep it to where their S.O. can get what they would want them to have. (I learned alot of the legal sh.... stuff you'd have to go through as a gay person to make that happen from my mom's ex... and its enough to make any normal person cringe).

Okay I think thats it for now.
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Posted 5/10/08
im not against it.....


theyre people they hav the freedom 2 do wat dey wnt!!!
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joram471 wrote:

Then there is also the problem with legal matters. Say then said person dies, and in their will they leave everything to their S.O.
A family can easily fight (and usually win) that they coerced the dead partner to leave them everything. They need to jump through a million hoops to keep their will in tact and keep it to where their S.O. can get what they would want them to have. (I learned alot of the legal sh.... stuff you'd have to go through as a gay person to make that happen from my mom's ex... and its enough to make any normal person cringe).




I'd almost understand if the hypothetical person had died intestate... that'd just be standard prejudice. But it sounds like they are doing their best to break the law to enforce homophobia.
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Nasty!!!


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I'm not against at all. Gay or straight we are all human and have emotion, and we need love, and comfort. Gay are just like the straight people it's just happen that they like people who are in the same sex as they are. Doesn't mean they are going to be bad parents, bad people, even straight people can be bad parents too, and we know that is true, it is all about how society and how we look at it though, it is just our perception. Thing like this you have to have an open-minded to accept it. Let's not put religious belief into this of course they going to say it's wrong. It is say that when people are in love they get married, why would you say it is nasty.
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iloveasiandrama wrote:

I'm not against at all. Gay or straight we are all human and have emotion, and we need love, and comfort. Gay are just like the straight people it's just happen that they like people who are in the same sex as they are. Doesn't mean they are going to be bad parents, bad people, even straight people can be bad parents too, and we know that is true, it is all about how society and how we look at it though, it is just our perception. Thing like this you have to have an open-minded to accept it. Let's not put religious belief into this of course they going to say it's wrong. It is say that when people are in love they get married, why would you say it is nasty.


I'm not against it either.

What you say intrigues me; it's the truth, really, that people can be so narrow-minded as to hate or dislike gays/ lesbians. It's just like you said - "Things like this, you have to have an open-minded head to accept it."

Yes, marriage exists because of love and if being gay stops that, then, shouldn't being straight stop that too? Because, you shouldn't judge people; it's wrong and bad.

I heard that you can only stay married (if you're gay/ lesbiac) for a few years and then it's cut off. Is that true? If it is, then it makes no sense because why should straight people stay married and not gays/ lesbians?

The world can be so unfair/ cruel, but I guess that's life.

I hope someday that they're accepted by everyone.
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To get married to someone is to bind yourself to the person you love. It's waking up next to them every morning. It's sharing a cup of coffee and a bowl of cereal while disscussing what's going on in the world. It's raising a family, growing old together; sharing your lives, hopes, and dreams. Why shouldn't we allow everyone to do this? Is it not unjust to say that only certain people are allowed to share this experience? I don't understand the world anymore. It's like saying someone can't be a doctor because they like the color blue. It makes absolutely no sense.
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4!!!! i am for gay marriages, because we all need and want sumbody to luv.... gay, bi, lesbian, there's nothing wrong with it!!! T.T i don't know y people are so against it!! i may not be lesbian or bi, but i still believe that we should jus allow people to marry who they want, if we don't, then y love!?!
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