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Love is live, but love is not sex  gay marriage should remain illegal. It corrupts society and it's a sin. I don't judge gays, but I won't vote for or support something that I know is wrong.
Well gay marriage is going to be legalized, its already in the process of becoming legal, like it or not, its going to happen.
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Love is live, but love is not sex gay marriage should remain illegal. It corrupts society and it's a sin. I don't judge gays, but I won't vote for or support something that I know is wrong.
The sin part is irrelevant, so let's focus on the corruption of society part
They can't have kids? They don't have to, or they can adopt and give a child who needs help a home. That's a good thing.
It would make children confused or think it's acceptable? No, it shouldn't confuse children, unless they are being raised wrongfully; they shouldn't even be concerned with these types of issues. And all people should learn to accept and not discriminate against others because of their sexual orientation.
So how does it corrupt society? It doesn't really seem to affect anyone except for gays who want to get married, I haven't been bothered by it since it was made legal here 4 years ago.
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Love is live, but love is not sex gay marriage should remain illegal. It corrupts society and it's a sin. I don't judge gays, but I won't vote for or support something that I know is wrong.
The sin part is irrelevant, so let's focus on the corruption of society part
They can't have kids? They don't have to, or they can adopt and give a child who needs help a home. That's a good thing.
It would make children confused or think it's acceptable? No, it shouldn't confuse children, unless they are being raised wrongfully; they shouldn't even be concerned with these types of issues. And all people should learn to accept and not discriminate against others because of their sexual orientation.
So how does it corrupt society? It doesn't really seem to affect anyone except for gays who want to get married, I haven't been bothered by it since it was made legal here 4 years ago.
The sin part isn't irrelevant if Christianity is the truth (which I will argue that it is).
The corrupt society because their sexual behavior would become acceptable, it would also demoralize other behaviors under the same logic. I am not saying that the act of legalizing gay marriage legalizes or encourages other things, but the popular logic behind it of "we can't judge their relationship, we have no right to dictate morality" could possibly lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophile. Marriage isn't just about the sexual union of a man and a woman, it is also the head of the family unit. That unit has been designed to have one man as the father and one woman as the mother procreate and raise their children. Homosexual couples can't have babies, so the concept of family isn't in that picture. Homosexual couples also (obviously) contain a man and a woman, just two men. Homosexuals aren't screaming for equal rights, because they have every right that everyone else has. What they want is the public acceptance of their sexual behaviors. To legalize gay marriage is to force morality on society, that morality (or lack thereof) is that homosexuality is immoral in no way and completely tolerable/normal (which it isn't). You are right in that we shouldn't discriminate others based on what they do with their sex life. But if it is wrong, socially harming, sinful, and corrupt we shouldn't accept it or encourage it. It corrupts society because it redefines marriage and the family unit. It equated homosexual unions with heterosexual unions, yet there are very clear destinations between the two. It affects society because it forces people to recognize gay marriages and to force them to accept that it is moral and completely ok. Homosexuals have the freedom to be gay with each other and have sex, but they don't have the right to dictate through legislation that everyone needs to accept and honor what they do and equate it to a heterosexual marriage. On the flip side, we don't have the right to stop gay sex, and we shouldn't discriminate based on their immoral and wrong choices.
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Love is live, but love is not sex gay marriage should remain illegal. It corrupts society and it's a sin. I don't judge gays, but I won't vote for or support something that I know is wrong.
The sin part is irrelevant, so let's focus on the corruption of society part
They can't have kids? They don't have to, or they can adopt and give a child who needs help a home. That's a good thing.
It would make children confused or think it's acceptable? No, it shouldn't confuse children, unless they are being raised wrongfully; they shouldn't even be concerned with these types of issues. And all people should learn to accept and not discriminate against others because of their sexual orientation.
So how does it corrupt society? It doesn't really seem to affect anyone except for gays who want to get married, I haven't been bothered by it since it was made legal here 4 years ago.
The sin part isn't irrelevant if Christianity is the truth (which I will argue that it is).
The corrupt society because their sexual behavior would become acceptable, it would also demoralize other behaviors under the same logic. I am not saying that the act of legalizing gay marriage legalizes or encourages other things, but the popular logic behind it of "we can't judge their relationship, we have no right to dictate morality" could possibly lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophile. Marriage isn't just about the sexual union of a man and a woman, it is also the head of the family unit. That unit has been designed to have one man as the father and one woman as the mother procreate and raise their children. Homosexual couples can't have babies, so the concept of family isn't in that picture. Homosexual couples also (obviously) contain a man and a woman, just two men. Homosexuals aren't screaming for equal rights, because they have every right that everyone else has. What they want is the public acceptance of their sexual behaviors. To legalize gay marriage is to force morality on society, that morality (or lack thereof) is that homosexuality is immoral in no way and completely tolerable/normal (which it isn't). You are right in that we shouldn't discriminate others based on what they do with their sex life. But if it is wrong, socially harming, sinful, and corrupt we shouldn't accept it or encourage it. It corrupts society because it redefines marriage and the family unit. It equated homosexual unions with heterosexual unions, yet there are very clear destinations between the two. It affects society because it forces people to recognize gay marriages and to force them to accept that it is moral and completely ok. Homosexuals have the freedom to be gay with each other and have sex, but they don't have the right to dictate through legislation that everyone needs to accept and honor what they do and equate it to a heterosexual marriage. On the flip side, we don't have the right to stop gay sex, and we shouldn't discriminate based on their immoral and wrong choices.
Seems to work out just fine in the countries that have legalized it tho, hasn't corrupted their society, and the kids grow up to be happy because they have 2 parents who love em, doesn't cause any problems at all in those countries, why would it cause any problems in ours ?
Besides you act like homosexuality and bisexuality is something to be frowned upon, it's not, its perfectly natural and normal thing, occurs in many animal species, lots of which aren't intelligent enough to be able to choose to become homosexual or bisexual, so its only natural that it'd occur in our species too, as we are animals ourselves.
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digs wrote:
Love is live, but love is not sex gay marriage should remain illegal. It corrupts society and it's a sin. I don't judge gays, but I won't vote for or support something that I know is wrong.
The sin part is irrelevant, so let's focus on the corruption of society part
They can't have kids? They don't have to, or they can adopt and give a child who needs help a home. That's a good thing.
It would make children confused or think it's acceptable? No, it shouldn't confuse children, unless they are being raised wrongfully; they shouldn't even be concerned with these types of issues. And all people should learn to accept and not discriminate against others because of their sexual orientation.
So how does it corrupt society? It doesn't really seem to affect anyone except for gays who want to get married, I haven't been bothered by it since it was made legal here 4 years ago.
The sin part isn't irrelevant if Christianity is the truth (which I will argue that it is).
The corrupt society because their sexual behavior would become acceptable, it would also demoralize other behaviors under the same logic. I am not saying that the act of legalizing gay marriage legalizes or encourages other things, but the popular logic behind it of "we can't judge their relationship, we have no right to dictate morality" could possibly lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophile. Marriage isn't just about the sexual union of a man and a woman, it is also the head of the family unit. That unit has been designed to have one man as the father and one woman as the mother procreate and raise their children. Homosexual couples can't have babies, so the concept of family isn't in that picture. Homosexual couples also (obviously) contain a man and a woman, just two men. Homosexuals aren't screaming for equal rights, because they have every right that everyone else has. What they want is the public acceptance of their sexual behaviors. To legalize gay marriage is to force morality on society, that morality (or lack thereof) is that homosexuality is immoral in no way and completely tolerable/normal (which it isn't). You are right in that we shouldn't discriminate others based on what they do with their sex life. But if it is wrong, socially harming, sinful, and corrupt we shouldn't accept it or encourage it. It corrupts society because it redefines marriage and the family unit. It equated homosexual unions with heterosexual unions, yet there are very clear destinations between the two. It affects society because it forces people to recognize gay marriages and to force them to accept that it is moral and completely ok. Homosexuals have the freedom to be gay with each other and have sex, but they don't have the right to dictate through legislation that everyone needs to accept and honor what they do and equate it to a heterosexual marriage. On the flip side, we don't have the right to stop gay sex, and we shouldn't discriminate based on their immoral and wrong choices.
Seems to work out just fine in the countries that have legalized it tho, hasn't corrupted their society, and the kids grow up to be happy because they have 2 parents who love em, doesn't cause any problems at all in those countries, why would it cause any problems in ours ?
Besides you act like homosexuality and bisexuality is something to be frowned upon, it's not, its perfectly natural and normal thing, occurs in many animal species, lots of which aren't intelligent enough to be able to choose to become homosexual or bisexual, so its only natural that it'd occur in our species too, as we are animals ourselves.
It has corrupted their society in the fact that homosexuality is now accepted and considered moral. It sexually demoralizes cultures and also messes with what is considered a family. I would also argue that a child raised in a homosexual "family" will not receive a quality parenting and is subject to an unnatural home environment. And homosexuality/bisexuality are not natural in the animal world. A confused animal may sniff out a male mate by accident, but by and large there are no homosexual animals. In fact, in almost all animals sex is just an instinct used for procreation, not for relationships or recreation.
And if you read my post you will see that homosexuality, bisexuality, bestiality, and all things other than sex between a husband and his wife are sinful and wrong. I do not oppose homosexual marriage based solely on the logic behind it, but also (and mainly) because of my religious beliefs. My beliefs as a Christian come first, and they are what shape all things in my life, including my political views.
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It has corrupted their society in the fact that homosexuality is now accepted and considered moral. It sexually demoralizes cultures and also messes with what is considered a family. I would also argue that a child raised in a homosexual "family" will not receive a quality parenting and is subject to an unnatural home environment. And homosexuality/bisexuality are not natural in the animal world. A confused animal may sniff out a male mate by accident, but by and large there are no homosexual animals. In fact, in almost all animals sex is just an instinct used for procreation, not for relationships or recreation.
Actually it hasn't corrupted their society, they deal with it just fine. And lots of the children of same sex parents turn out just fine.
And homosexuality and bisexuality in the animal kingdom is widespread, its been documented in just about 1500 species, it's well documented in 50 species, and not all sex in the animal kingdom is used for procreation, lots of animals will masturbate simply because they have nothing better to do. some species even use tools to masturbate. And last time I checked masturbation doesn't procreate. Also some species do oral sex, which doesn't procreate either, so no not all non-human animal sex is for procreation. Actually there are species that are entirely bisexual. And other animals are capable of bonding and forming relationships, they do it all the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_animals
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour
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Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual, bisexual and transgender behavior in non-human animals. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting. Homosexual and bisexual behavior are widespread in the animal kingdom: a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior, has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them. Animal sexual behavior takes many different forms, even within the same species. The motivations for and implications of these behaviors have yet to be fully understood, since most species have yet to be fully studied. According to Bagemihl, "the animal kingdom [does] it with much greater sexual diversity -- including homosexual, bisexual and nonreproductive sex -- than the scientific community and society at large have previously been willing to accept No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue
So read the 2 articles.
Also worth reading is this
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
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The sin part isn't irrelevant if Christianity is the truth (which I will argue that it is).
The corrupt society because their sexual behavior would become acceptable, it would also demoralize other behaviors under the same logic. I am not saying that the act of legalizing gay marriage legalizes or encourages other things, but the popular logic behind it of "we can't judge their relationship, we have no right to dictate morality" could possibly lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophile.
Marriage isn't just about the sexual union of a man and a woman, it is also the head of the family unit. That unit has been designed to have one man as the father and one woman as the mother procreate and raise their children. Homosexual couples can't have babies, so the concept of family isn't in that picture. Homosexual couples also (obviously) contain a man and a woman, just two men. Homosexuals aren't screaming for equal rights, because they have every right that everyone else has. What they want is the public acceptance of their sexual behaviors. To legalize gay marriage is to force morality on society, that morality (or lack thereof) is that homosexuality is immoral in no way and completely tolerable/normal (which it isn't). You are right in that we shouldn't discriminate others based on what they do with their sex life. But if it is wrong, socially harming, sinful, and corrupt we shouldn't accept it or encourage it. It corrupts society because it redefines marriage and the family unit. It equated homosexual unions with heterosexual unions, yet there are very clear destinations between the two. It affects society because it forces people to recognize gay marriages and to force them to accept that it is moral and completely ok. Homosexuals have the freedom to be gay with each other and have sex, but they don't have the right to dictate through legislation that everyone needs to accept and honor what they do and equate it to a heterosexual marriage. On the flip side, we don't have the right to stop gay sex, and we shouldn't discriminate based on their immoral and wrong choices.
In Islam, it's a sin to be Christian and believe Jesus was God. Using your logic, we should make it a law that you can't be Christian. Buddhism says it's a crime to kill any living thing, including insects, so we should make that a law too. I thought it was common knowledge that you don't mix politics with religion in a free and fair society.
Alot of this stuff already has been explained....
The popular logic behind it is actually, "you still don't get that they have no choice in their sexual orientation and it's perfectly natural and harmless." It could not lead to the acceptance of bestiality and pedophilia, those are unnatural and usually are mental disorders, and they can't have those relationships with consent. Gay marriage won't break down the "family unit" in society, gays getting married won't force everyone else to get divorced. Obviously they can't have babies, I already said they don't need to or they could easily adopt. So they can have families. And even if they don't, so what? Many married heterosexual couples don't have kids and don't want kids, should any heterosexual couple who doesn't plan on having kids not be allowed to marry because they are breaking down the family unit?
They don't have equal rights, if only homosexual marriages were legal, everyone would have the same rights too. But that's not fair for straight people like you or me. What they want is acceptance and equality, period. Or at least accept them like you accept people of different faiths, according to your religion they are wrong, but you have to respect their beliefs regardless.
I said we shouldn't discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, just like we can't discriminate against people who are left handed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM
It's wrong and sinful according to your religious views. Muslims see Christianity as wrong and sinful, you see Muslims and wrong and sinful, but you don't discriminate against them marrying and say they "corrupt society." Marriage according to the Bible is a man owning a women, he gave her a ring and he owned her and he could marry other ones afterward. That changed, now it's one man and one woman, and they give each other rings. Blacks and whites couldn't marry, that changed. Things change. It doesn't do anything to the family unit, gay marriage won't force all other people to stop having families, and they can have wonderful loving families of their own as well.
It does not force anyone to believe it is moral and completely ok. Here in Canada, we still got people against homosexuality, the gay police didn't come to their houses after it was legalized and force them to change their views. No one is forced to accept, no one's views are being "dictated" over if gays get married. It's just what's fair in a free society. And for the last time, it's not choice and the only thing wrong with it is that society is so homophobic because people are scared of anything they don't understand, and religion or whatever means possible are used to discriminate against it.
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The sin part isn't irrelevant if Christianity is the truth (which I will argue that it is).
The corrupt society because their sexual behavior would become acceptable, it would also demoralize other behaviors under the same logic. I am not saying that the act of legalizing gay marriage legalizes or encourages other things, but the popular logic behind it of "we can't judge their relationship, we have no right to dictate morality" could possibly lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophile.
Marriage isn't just about the sexual union of a man and a woman, it is also the head of the family unit. That unit has been designed to have one man as the father and one woman as the mother procreate and raise their children. Homosexual couples can't have babies, so the concept of family isn't in that picture. Homosexual couples also (obviously) contain a man and a woman, just two men. Homosexuals aren't screaming for equal rights, because they have every right that everyone else has. What they want is the public acceptance of their sexual behaviors. To legalize gay marriage is to force morality on society, that morality (or lack thereof) is that homosexuality is immoral in no way and completely tolerable/normal (which it isn't). You are right in that we shouldn't discriminate others based on what they do with their sex life. But if it is wrong, socially harming, sinful, and corrupt we shouldn't accept it or encourage it. It corrupts society because it redefines marriage and the family unit. It equated homosexual unions with heterosexual unions, yet there are very clear destinations between the two. It affects society because it forces people to recognize gay marriages and to force them to accept that it is moral and completely ok. Homosexuals have the freedom to be gay with each other and have sex, but they don't have the right to dictate through legislation that everyone needs to accept and honor what they do and equate it to a heterosexual marriage. On the flip side, we don't have the right to stop gay sex, and we shouldn't discriminate based on their immoral and wrong choices.
In Islam, it's a sin to be Christian and believe Jesus was God. Using your logic, we should make it a law that you can't be Christian. Buddhism says it's a crime to kill any living thing, including insects, so we should make that a law too. I thought it was common knowledge that you don't mix politics with religion in a free and fair society.
Alot of this stuff already has been explained....
The popular logic behind it is actually, "you still don't get that they have no choice in their sexual orientation and it's perfectly natural and harmless." It could not lead to the acceptance of bestiality and pedophilia, those are unnatural and usually are mental disorders, and they can't have those relationships with consent. Gay marriage won't break down the "family unit" in society, gays getting married won't force everyone else to get divorced. Obviously they can't have babies, I already said they don't need to or they could easily adopt. So they can have families. And even if they don't, so what? Many married heterosexual couples don't have kids and don't want kids, should any heterosexual couple who doesn't plan on having kids not be allowed to marry because they are breaking down the family unit?
They don't have equal rights, if only homosexual marriages were legal, everyone would have the same rights too. But that's not fair for straight people like you or me. What they want is acceptance and equality, period. Or at least accept them like you accept people of different faiths, according to your religion they are wrong, but you have to respect their beliefs regardless.
I said we shouldn't discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, just like we can't discriminate against people who are left handed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM
It's wrong and sinful according to your religious views. Muslims see Christianity as wrong and sinful, you see Muslims and wrong and sinful, but you don't discriminate against them marrying and say they "corrupt society." Marriage according to the Bible is a man owning a women, he gave her a ring and he owned her and he could marry other ones afterward. That changed, now it's one man and one woman, and they give each other rings. Blacks and whites couldn't marry, that changed. Things change. It doesn't do anything to the family unit, gay marriage won't force all other people to stop having families, and they can have wonderful loving families of their own as well.
It does not force anyone to believe it is moral and completely ok. Here in Canada, we still got people against homosexuality, the gay police didn't come to their houses after it was legalized and force them to change their views. No one is forced to accept, no one's views are being "dictated" over if gays get married. It's just what's fair in a free society. And for the last time, it's not choice and the only thing wrong with it is that society is so homophobic because people are scared of anything they don't understand, and religion or whatever means possible are used to discriminate against it.
I said I believe Christianity is the truth, not Islam or any other religion. My logic isn't "because a religion says x, we must to x." I am not looking at religion as all world religions, but about the truth that is Christianity and following Christ, not false teachers and religions. And you can mix politics with religion in your views. Religion shouldn't run the government, but it can and should shape people's opinions. As a Christian my belief in God and in the Bible dictates everything in my life, including my political stances. Because I hold the Bible as true I allow that truth to shape my life and my beliefs in all areas of life.
How can legalizing homosexual marriage not lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophilia? Homosexuality isn't natural either, and it isn't harmless. The say they want it legalized because they want to push for sexual freedom, and under the same logic of "we shouldn't hinder love" one can say that we can't hinder the "love" between a 14 year old and a 40 year old, or a man and his pet. Children can consent to sexual behavior, they do it all the time in middle school. Animals do sex out of instinct, and they are property, their consent doesn't matter as the humans choice and sexual freedom outweighs that of the animal. Not having kids doesn't brake the family unit, that isn't a requirement. But the ability to have kids is what is important, homosexuals can't do that. The basis of marriage is the family and union between a man and wife, when a woman gets married she becomes apart of her husbands family. That family can stay two people, or they can choose to grow it by having children.
And there are equal rights, homosexuals aren't a different race of people. They have every freedom that we do. Homosexuals are the same as heterosexuals, they just choose what is morally depraved and wrong, similar to what pedophiles and necrophiles do. Sexuality doesn't segregate humans. Homosexuals have equal rights, but no one has the right to call what is depraved "marriage" and to accept it as natural and loving. I'll state this again. I accept homosexuals for who they are and I love them as people, just as I do others of different religions even though I know they are wrong. However, I will not accept what they do as right. It's the principle of hate the sin love the sinner. I just won't support what I know is wrong, just like I won't support pre-marital sex or drug abuse. I love the people that may do those things, but I won't accept their actions as right or show my support for those actions.
Marriage isn't limited to religious beliefs. Muslims can get married as a heterosexual union. The action of marriage, regardless of faith, isn't sinful or wrong. Why should I oppose something that isn't wrong? It's not about the faith of those being wed (in regards to marriage), it's about the actions (polygamy, homosexuality, bestiality, etc...) It isn't wrong for Muslims or anyone else to get married because that isn't sinful. What I don't understand is why people always bring inter-racial marriage into these debates. They aren't the same issue, and they are strikingly different. Interracial marriage is still between a man and a woman, and marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Interracial marriage doesn't re-define marriage, and the Bible doesn't condemn it or call it sinful. Those were issues of race, not issues of perversion.
And making homosexual marriages legal does force people to accept it. Maybe not personally, but they do have to socially. They have to honor them legally as married people. It also means that the state has morally adopted that homosexuality is acceptable. People can disagree with the state, but the state forces them to recognize that these people are "wed" and you must treat them as such. It forces the whole society to honor their "marriage" regardless of if they believe it is right or not. And in Canada they do essentially force you to believe that. It's "hate speech" to talk out against homosexuality, and they educate kids in public schools that homosexuality is morally correct. The rights of free speech are oppressed by those who oppose homosexuality (specifically in Canada). Here are some articles on that http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2963 http://www.narth.com/docs/trumps.html http://jonathanturley.org/2008/06/09/oh-canada-alberta-human-rights-commission-punishes-and-censures-anti-gay-speech/ you can believe homosexuality is wrong, but you can't voice that opinion or fight against it, because that is considered "hate speech" on all levels, not just peaceful opposition.
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I said I believe Christianity is the truth, not Islam or any other religion. My logic isn't "because a religion says x, we must to x." I am not looking at religion as all world religions, but about the truth that is Christianity and following Christ, not false teachers and religions. And you can mix politics with religion in your views. Religion shouldn't run the government, but it can and should shape people's opinions. As a Christian my belief in God and in the Bible dictates everything in my life, including my political stances. Because I hold the Bible as true I allow that truth to shape my life and my beliefs in all areas of life.
This is about gay marriage in the US, I'm assuming. And you can have whatever personal views you want, but you cannot use those views to decide what should be done in a (supposedly) free and open society like the US. If it was a Christian nation with a Christian government, then maybe using the idea that it is a sin would be valid, but it is not in the real US and other free societies.
How can legalizing homosexual marriage not lead to the acceptance or legalization of bestiality and pedophilia? Homosexuality isn't natural either, and it isn't harmless. The say they want it legalized because they want to push for sexual freedom, and under the same logic of "we shouldn't hinder love" one can say that we can't hinder the "love" between a 14 year old and a 40 year old, or a man and his pet. Children can consent to sexual behavior, they do it all the time in middle school. Animals do sex out of instinct, and they are property, their consent doesn't matter as the humans choice and sexual freedom outweighs that of the animal. Not having kids doesn't brake the family unit, that isn't a requirement. But the ability to have kids is what is important, homosexuals can't do that. The basis of marriage is the family and union between a man and wife, when a woman gets married she becomes apart of her husbands family. That family can stay two people, or they can choose to grow it by having children.
It hasn't lead to any of those anywhere it has been legalized. It is natural and it is harmless, pedophilia and bestiality are very unnatural. They want to push for equality and love, and a 14 year old isn't old enough to give consent, that's why teachers get in trouble for sleeping with their students. Children aren't old enough to give consent because they obviously are not mentally fit to do so.
And there are equal rights, homosexuals aren't a different race of people. They have every freedom that we do. Homosexuals are the same as heterosexuals, they just choose what is morally depraved and wrong, similar to what pedophiles and necrophiles do. Sexuality doesn't segregate humans. Homosexuals have equal rights, but no one has the right to call what is depraved "marriage" and to accept it as natural and loving. I'll state this again. I accept homosexuals for who they are and I love them as people, just as I do others of different religions even though I know they are wrong. However, I will not accept what they do as right. It's the principle of hate the sin love the sinner. I just won't support what I know is wrong, just like I won't support pre-marital sex or drug abuse. I love the people that may do those things, but I won't accept their actions as right or show my support for those actions.
Remember, if they passed a law that said only homosexual marriages were allowed, would that be fair? Everyone would have equal rights, we can all go out and marry someone of the same sex. But wait, not everyone is gay. So that wouldn't be fair to everyone at all.
Ok, you won't support something if you know it's wrong and bring it into your politics. So if you had to decide on a law that said Mosques couldn't be built anymore, would you vote yes, because you know Islam is wrong? How about if you had to decide if Hindu weddings should be allowed, they sing for and praise their many Gods and have many other religious Hindu stuff going on, and you know that they're all wrong & sinful actions, so would you make those illegal?
Marriage isn't limited to religious beliefs. Muslims can get married as a heterosexual union. The action of marriage, regardless of faith, isn't sinful or wrong. Why should I oppose something that isn't wrong? It's not about the faith of those being wed (in regards to marriage), it's about the actions (polygamy, homosexuality, bestiality, etc...) It isn't wrong for Muslims or anyone else to get married because that isn't sinful. What I don't understand is why people always bring inter-racial marriage into these debates. They aren't the same issue, and they are strikingly different. Interracial marriage is still between a man and a woman, and marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Interracial marriage doesn't re-define marriage, and the Bible doesn't condemn it or call it sinful. Those were issues of race, not issues of perversion.
And making homosexual marriages legal does force people to accept it. Maybe not personally, but they do have to socially. They have to honor them legally as married people. It also means that the state has morally adopted that homosexuality is acceptable. People can disagree with the state, but the state forces them to recognize that these people are "wed" and you must treat them as such. It forces the whole society to honor their "marriage" regardless of if they believe it is right or not. And in Canada they do essentially force you to believe that. It's "hate speech" to talk out against homosexuality, and they educate kids in public schools that homosexuality is morally correct. The rights of free speech are oppressed by those who oppose homosexuality (specifically in Canada). Here are some articles on that http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?sid=2963 http://www.narth.com/docs/trumps.html http://jonathanturley.org/2008/06/09/oh-canada-alberta-human-rights-commission-punishes-and-censures-anti-gay-speech/ you can believe homosexuality is wrong, but you can't voice that opinion or fight against it, because that is considered "hate speech" on all levels, not just peaceful opposition.
You know what would make you see things alot clearer? Recognizing that homosexuality is not a choice and natural.
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The Canadian government recognizes what homosexuality is, they're not willfully ignorant like alot of other people and societies. Therefore they do teach that there's nothing morally wrong with having a different sexual orientation, just like race.
Canada has an awesome record for human rights, when the US was enslaving people because of their race, Canada thought that was ridiculous and slaves came here to be freed. And for a long time now hate speech has become a very serious crime. Hate speech was the start and basis of some of the worst catastrophe's in history. You see, Canada actually took notes during the history of mankind. In fact, just recently the Canadian government took away a girl from her parents because they sent her to school twice with a swastika colored on her arm. Turns out they were white supremacists, they say they are just expressing their pride and culture. But the Canadian governments sees it as child abuse to fill a child's mind with hate like that.
The same way it's illegal for the KKK to speak out against other races or have demonstrations, it's illegal for ignorant people expressing hate speech at people with different sexual orientations. And right now it's very strict, because right now is the time period where there is alot of anger and hate against homosexuals, since they were allowed to marry. Kind of like if they were very strict about racist hate speech after the civil rights movement, kind of telling the people "this is a free and fair country, and we won't tolerate your ignorant mentalities because we want to end this problem now before it might escalate, so you better get used to it." Yup, the Canadian government is pretty passionate about human rights and equality.
If you still haven't understood that homosexuality is not a choice and natural, just pretend it is, and then consider what your view would look like then. If homosexuality was actually genetic and perfectly natural, wouldn't comparing it to a crime (murder, robbery), or bestiality/pedophilia seem kind of wrong? It would be like saying being black is morally wrong, unnatural and is a choice and black people need to change this immoral behavior of having dark skin and turn white. Someone needs to explain to that person that people don't have control over the color of their skin and that there's nothing wrong with it anyways. That's what it looks like to me and the Canadian government, do you understand our view?
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I just hope that hate bill from Canada doesnt reach the USA that is a direct attack on free speech. As I said nobody on earth can stop hate and just because you dont agree with gay marriage doesnt mean you hate them at all. But to be arrested for disagreeing and speaking about it is absurd. You guys can keep that hate speech crime while we maintain our freedom of speech.
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Canada has an awesome record for human rights, when the US was enslaving people because of their race, Canada thought that was ridiculous and slaves came here to be freed. And for a long time now hate speech has become a very serious crime. Hate speech was the start and basis of some of the worst catastrophe's in history. You see, Canada actually took notes during the history of mankind. In fact, just recently the Canadian government took away a girl from her parents because they sent her to school twice with a swastika colored on her arm. Turns out they were white supremacists, they say they are just expressing their pride and culture. But the Canadian governments sees it as child abuse to fill a child's mind with hate like that.
The same way it's illegal for the KKK to speak out against other races or have demonstrations, it's illegal for ignorant people expressing hate speech at people with different sexual orientations. And right now it's very strict, because right now is the time period where there is alot of anger and hate against homosexuals, since they were allowed to marry. Kind of like if they were very strict about racist hate speech after the civil rights movement, kind of telling the people "this is a free and fair country, and we won't tolerate your ignorant mentalities because we want to end this problem now before it might escalate, so you better get used to it." Yup, the Canadian government is pretty passionate about human rights and equality.
If you still haven't understood that homosexuality is not a choice and natural, just pretend it is, and then consider what your view would look like then. If homosexuality was actually genetic and perfectly natural, wouldn't comparing it to a crime (murder, robbery), or bestiality/pedophilia seem kind of wrong? It would be like saying being black is morally wrong, unnatural and is a choice and black people need to change this immoral behavior of having dark skin and turn white. Someone needs to explain to that person that people don't have control over the color of their skin and that there's nothing wrong with it anyways. That's what it looks like to me and the Canadian government, do you understand our view?
While I do support gay marriage, I do not support limiting people who oppose it from expressing their opinions. I don't think it's right to hurt homosexuals, and I also don't think it's right to take away the rights of people who want to hurt homosexuals if they haven't actually hurt anyone. It is legal for the KKK to have demonstrations and speak out against races, as long as they don't promote or induce any violent actions. I don't like intolerant people either, but by not tolerating their intolerance, we are no different than them. If the country was truly free and fair, they wouldn't take away anyone's right to express their opinion, no matter how hateful or controversial it is. Trying to oppress anyone for any reason, even if it does seem righteous, is wrong any way you look at it, because all oppressors think that their actions are righteous simply because they don't agree with the people that they are oppressing.
It's hard not to hate intolerant people, and it is my natural impulse to do so, but I repect and accept them and their hatefulness as much as I repsect anyone else, because to me that is true equality and true acceptance of human rights.
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Yei wrote:
Canada has an awesome record for human rights, when the US was enslaving people because of their race, Canada thought that was ridiculous and slaves came here to be freed. And for a long time now hate speech has become a very serious crime. Hate speech was the start and basis of some of the worst catastrophe's in history. You see, Canada actually took notes during the history of mankind. In fact, just recently the Canadian government took away a girl from her parents because they sent her to school twice with a swastika colored on her arm. Turns out they were white supremacists, they say they are just expressing their pride and culture. But the Canadian governments sees it as child abuse to fill a child's mind with hate like that.
The same way it's illegal for the KKK to speak out against other races or have demonstrations, it's illegal for ignorant people expressing hate speech at people with different sexual orientations. And right now it's very strict, because right now is the time period where there is alot of anger and hate against homosexuals, since they were allowed to marry. Kind of like if they were very strict about racist hate speech after the civil rights movement, kind of telling the people "this is a free and fair country, and we won't tolerate your ignorant mentalities because we want to end this problem now before it might escalate, so you better get used to it." Yup, the Canadian government is pretty passionate about human rights and equality.
If you still haven't understood that homosexuality is not a choice and natural, just pretend it is, and then consider what your view would look like then. If homosexuality was actually genetic and perfectly natural, wouldn't comparing it to a crime (murder, robbery), or bestiality/pedophilia seem kind of wrong? It would be like saying being black is morally wrong, unnatural and is a choice and black people need to change this immoral behavior of having dark skin and turn white. Someone needs to explain to that person that people don't have control over the color of their skin and that there's nothing wrong with it anyways. That's what it looks like to me and the Canadian government, do you understand our view?
While I do support gay marriage, I do not support limiting people who oppose it from expressing their opinions. I don't think it's right to hurt homosexuals, and I also don't think it's right to take away the rights of people who want to hurt homosexuals if they haven't actually hurt anyone. It is legal for the KKK to have demonstrations and speak out against races, as long as they don't promote or induce any violent actions. I don't like intolerant people either, but by not tolerating their intolerance, we are no different than them. If the country was truly free and fair, they wouldn't take away anyone's right to express their opinion, no matter how hateful or controversial it is. Trying to oppress anyone for any reason, even if it does seem righteous, is wrong any way you look at it, because all oppressors think that their actions are righteous simply because they don't agree with the people that they are oppressing.
It's hard not to hate intolerant people, and it is my natural impulse to do so, but I repect and accept them and their hatefulness as much as I repsect anyone else, because to me that is true equality and true acceptance of human rights.
Well, I guess the Canadian government is too badass to accept any intolerance from anyone.
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