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Posted 1/27/12
dont cear rilly marriages out date now most couples just live to gettered now and not bother its old fashioned married but all for it if gay cuple whont to
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You can't just wish them to be happy. I'd wish them salvation.
Porn isnt the same thing as being curious. It can become obsessive and destructive. I know from experience. I know some people who dont even think it's wrong, and that is quite sad. Man is a sinner, that is normal, but it doesnt mean it's good. Perversion leads to many things. Beastialty, homosexuality, pedophilia...

John 10:30 I and the father are one.
They are God, son, father, holy spirit.

in order to be saved, believe in him, and follow him. be born again


Why do Christians always tie homosexuality and sex together? Is is that important that Christians know what two people are doing in their bedrooms? That's some perverted shit.


...if I'm not mistaken, am I, a Christian, allowed to post things on CR forums about Gay Marriage? Even if I do believe they are true? Can Christians speak without being attacked? From your reply, I could tell you were probably trying to intentionally trying to offend me, and or spread a negative message about Christians...
I get mad sometimes, I say things I wish I could take back. One time, I said something about the bible and I was half wrong about it because I was confused about the difference between the law the Jewish government at the time, the commandments... it was in a Christian chatroom, too many people at once, including atheists, muslims. One guy, taking some words I said, pairing them with responses to other people about the relationship of man and woman, then he said, for some random reason, “that means you're allowed to kill God.” At times I think I'm a super-bible-know-it-all-expert, but I'm not, and I’m not the best speaker. Someone came to the conclusion that I hated Asian people. Here’s some unrelated stuff you can read:


It's not a personal attack. It's an attack on a religion. Why are Christians so concerned with what OTHER PEOPLE DO in their bedrooms? The only reasons I hear Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because 'the bible says it's sinful' and 'it's unnatural'. Apparently, it is natural if your God felt the need to make a person gay. By that logic, are you not questioning your own God?

Similarly, Christians also do not occupy an oppressed position, especially not in the West, and especially not in the US. Homosexuals, however, do, and right-wing Christians have committed all sorts of heinous, discriminatory policies and actions against gays.

Don't get me wrong - I appreciate you being respectful. Of course, it also tends to tie in better with the demographic here in extended discussion. I will, however, say that I was once a Christian, and I saw such vitriol and hate come out of Christians that I've given up on the religion as a whole. If Christianity is about Christ, why don't Christians act more Christlike and love other people, rather than trying to legislate against, oppress and kill them?
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Posted 1/28/12
I think there is some confusion here.

I think some devoutly religious types think that if gay marriage is legal, then agents of the state will be empowered to come in to THEIR church and make THEIR pastor marry a gay couple before them against both the will of the priest and her congregation.

But their response is to try and deny Gays the right to go before a Justice of the peace or before a priest, pastor, druid, Minister who DOES accept gay marriage and get married. They are trying to deny gays the right to things such has not having to testify against one's spouse in court or the right to be at your significant other's bedside when they are sick or wounded, or dying. (this does happen. under current law. Next of KIN, who may have severed all ties with a person in life. can show up and deny a gay couple their last moments together because one half of the couple is NOT recognized as kin under law)

That is what this is about and That is what makes US law, as I understand it, Unjust. But a) I can't influence lawmakers in the foreign nation of the US and b) my country has had gay marriage and divorce for nearly a decade.. maybe more than a decade....when DID they pass that law?
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Posted 1/28/12 , edited 1/28/12
Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.
Posted 1/28/12

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Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.
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Posted 1/28/12

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.


Offense is not illegal despite what the over litigiousness would have you believe. The protections on free speech only cease when they tread into 'hate speech'

The logic is that free speech doesn't cover shouting 'fire' in a crowded building or more specifically, lying to people in order to get them to riot or commit hate crimes.



Posted 1/28/12

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.


Offense is not illegal despite what the over litigiousness would have you believe. The protections on free speech only cease when they tread into 'hate speech'

The logic is that free speech doesn't cover shouting 'fire' in a crowded building or more specifically, lying to people in order to get them to riot or commit hate crimes.


Protection is granted to rallying white supremacists, yes. And we know how the police in America operate. One of the members of a supremacy group gets assaulted rightfully in public, and the undoubtedly racist police apprehend the assaulter. It seems that an innocent parade of homosexuals wouldn't have the same level of protection from the law. It can almost be guaranteed a riot would break out in the event of any violence, and the police would suppress the gays with water cannons and tear gas to protect the hateful straight people from what some ignorant people fear would occur; contraction of HIV through contact with the blood of the "evil sodomites."

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Protection is granted to rallying white supremacists, yes. And we know how the police in America operate. One of the members of a supremacy group gets assaulted rightfully in public, and the undoubtedly racist police apprehend the assaulter. It seems that an innocent parade of homosexuals wouldn't have the same level of protection from the law. It can almost be guaranteed a riot would break out in the event of any violence, and the police would suppress the gays with water cannons and tear gas to protect the hateful straight people from what some ignorant people fear would occur; contraction of HIV through contact with the blood of the "evil sodomites."



how did we get to that from what I said earlier. I don't know how the police operate in america I don't live there.

Oh and in my country we give white supremacists fairly short shift. While my hometown has one of the biggest PRIDE parades in NA, possibly the world. We have openly gay cops and nearly elected as mayor, a man married to another man. Perhaps you should move.


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Posted 1/28/12
some dudes marry other dudes,
and some chicks marry chicks.
no one should care.
Posted 1/28/12

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.


Offense is not illegal despite what the over litigiousness would have you believe. The protections on free speech only cease when they tread into 'hate speech'

The logic is that free speech doesn't cover shouting 'fire' in a crowded building or more specifically, lying to people in order to get them to riot or commit hate crimes.


Protection is granted to rallying white supremacists, yes. And we know how the police in America operate. One of the members of a supremacy group gets assaulted rightfully in public, and the undoubtedly racist police apprehend the assaulter. It seems that an innocent parade of homosexuals wouldn't have the same level of protection from the law. It can almost be guaranteed a riot would break out in the event of any violence, and the police would suppress the gays with water cannons and tear gas to protect the hateful straight people from what some ignorant people fear would occur; contraction of HIV through contact with the blood of the "evil sodomites."



how did we get to that from what I said earlier. I don't know how the police operate in america I don't live there.



Thank your lucky stars you do not. Police brutality is rampant, and it seems law enforcement has to be rather psychotic to deal with the worst ever presence of gang activity and international drug trafficking. Leads very astray from the topic of gay marriage, I know. But we can think of the sad conditions homosexuals deal with within America's traditionally right-wing, Christian ideals. And what's worse; extremist Christian sects training their young into insane, homophobic soldiers for Christ. Not just here, but in numerous other territories.

I think homosexual males seeking marriage may come to find in the future that there isn't even a slight glimmer of hope for them. And those who may chose to partake in street drugs won't even have clinics to obtain clean hypodermic needles from.
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Posted 1/29/12

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You can't just wish them to be happy. I'd wish them salvation.
Porn isnt the same thing as being curious. It can become obsessive and destructive. I know from experience. I know some people who dont even think it's wrong, and that is quite sad. Man is a sinner, that is normal, but it doesnt mean it's good. Perversion leads to many things. Beastialty, homosexuality, pedophilia...

John 10:30 I and the father are one.
They are God, son, father, holy spirit.

in order to be saved, believe in him, and follow him. be born again


Yes you can.
You need to understand that many people doesn't WANT Christian salvation. And many will actively work against it.
And when that happens, there is NOTHING you can do about it.

As for sexual exploration, I have moved past the porn issue. So I'd like an updated response on that, as well as on all the other issues you avoided answering on.
Your quoted comment left much to be desired.
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Posted 1/29/12

DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.


Offense is not illegal despite what the over litigiousness would have you believe. The protections on free speech only cease when they tread into 'hate speech'

The logic is that free speech doesn't cover shouting 'fire' in a crowded building or more specifically, lying to people in order to get them to riot or commit hate crimes.


Protection is granted to rallying white supremacists, yes. And we know how the police in America operate. One of the members of a supremacy group gets assaulted rightfully in public, and the undoubtedly racist police apprehend the assaulter. It seems that an innocent parade of homosexuals wouldn't have the same level of protection from the law. It can almost be guaranteed a riot would break out in the event of any violence, and the police would suppress the gays with water cannons and tear gas to protect the hateful straight people from what some ignorant people fear would occur; contraction of HIV through contact with the blood of the "evil sodomites."




Sorry to pull a Domfortress, with all the colours and all that, but you are quite wrong there- I live in America, so I think I am an authority enough to speak upon this matter. First off, in America, Hate Speech is protected, that is one of the better points of our country, we are protected by Law to say what we want to say, so long as it doesn't offend the other aspect of free speech not protected, like libel, inciting violence, obscenity, all such matters. That is why your Antisemites and your Klansmen can march down the street shouting things like 'Damn those dirty Jews' or 'White Powuh' or what ever they do, and are still protected, by our law, to speak as they will. Homosexuals may have a huge parade- 'tisn't an uncommon sight, indeed rather frequent, and, indeed, is so common, that we have a special name for them, 'Gay Pride Parade', which are, to the best of my abilities, provided with the same securities as the Chinese New Years Parade in Chinatown. Our freedom of speech is very broad, it covers things you want to hear, things that pleases you, things the pleases me, things that displeases us, and things that are very odious and uncivilised, but we protect that because they should have the right to publically say very foolish and very idiotic things. Loons should have the right to protest at the caskets of dead soldiers. Our First Amendment guarantees that. That right isn't just for people with the 'right opinions' and the 'right frames of thought', even thought we find repugnant are protected, and should be protected.
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longfenglim wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:

Also I find it amusing that so many people Think that freedom of speech means freedom from criticism for the things you say. Free speech works both ways. You can say what you like but others are free to say what they think of your words.. and you for saying them.


And free to get the law involved due to people becoming offended by what has been said.


Offense is not illegal despite what the over litigiousness would have you believe. The protections on free speech only cease when they tread into 'hate speech'

The logic is that free speech doesn't cover shouting 'fire' in a crowded building or more specifically, lying to people in order to get them to riot or commit hate crimes.


Protection is granted to rallying white supremacists, yes. And we know how the police in America operate. One of the members of a supremacy group gets assaulted rightfully in public, and the undoubtedly racist police apprehend the assaulter. It seems that an innocent parade of homosexuals wouldn't have the same level of protection from the law. It can almost be guaranteed a riot would break out in the event of any violence, and the police would suppress the gays with water cannons and tear gas to protect the hateful straight people from what some ignorant people fear would occur; contraction of HIV through contact with the blood of the "evil sodomites."




Sorry to pull a Domfortress, with all the colours and all that, but you are quite wrong there- I live in America, so I think I am an authority enough to speak upon this matter. First off, in America, Hate Speech is protected, that is one of the better points of our country, we are protected by Law to say what we want to say, so long as it doesn't offend the other aspect of free speech not protected, like libel, inciting violence, obscenity, all such matters. That is why your Antisemites and your Klansmen can march down the street shouting things like 'Damn those dirty Jews' or 'White Powuh' or what ever they do, and are still protected, by our law, to speak as they will. Homosexuals may have a huge parade- 'tisn't an uncommon sight, indeed rather frequent, and, indeed, is so common, that we have a special name for them, 'Gay Pride Parade', which are, to the best of my abilities, provided with the same securities as the Chinese New Years Parade in Chinatown. Our freedom of speech is very broad, it covers things you want to hear, things that pleases you, things the pleases me, things that displeases us, and things that are very odious and uncivilised, but we protect that because they should have the right to publically say very foolish and very idiotic things. Loons should have the right to protest at the caskets of dead soldiers. Our First Amendment guarantees that. That right isn't just for people with the 'right opinions' and the 'right frames of thought', even thought we find repugnant are protected, and should be protected.


My own point is that people on this forum seem of fond of saying 'free speech' to say whatever shit they like. but don't like it when others use their own free speech to hold the original posters responsible for what they say.

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There need to be a fuck-ton more incentives for heterosexual marriage and reproduction, in order to counteract declining birth rates and aging populations in first-world nations. That is far more important.
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There need to be a fuck-ton more incentives for heterosexual marriage and reproduction, in order to counteract declining birth rates and aging populations in first-world nations. That is far more important.



We do not need an increase in population, for if we increase population, we would fall into unchecked population growth, which would outgrow the supply of food produced within this country, and, additionally, force us to increase our import of food, which would lead to a greater debt, stravation elsewhere to supply our needs, with no certainty that this excess population can be employed optimally. Additionally, we must also consider the labourer, that he, in fact, performs more optimally under the conditions whereby his happiness in increased and exaulted, as this article from Psychology Today shows:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201007/how-workplace-happiness-can-boost-productivity

The increase in productivity would lead to a greater degree of product, of export, etc. Considering this, and that Man is not an Automaton, is it not good, then, to not only allow greater happiness for our Homosexual citizens- which, no doubt, would not infringe on the happiness of our Heterosexual citizens- and, additionally, encourage it for the benefit of not only our OEconomy, but, for the livlihood of people everywhere?
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