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I'm bi. I like a girl right now, and if she asked me to marry her, I would want to be able to marry her. Why should I have to move to NYC or another state? It should be legalized. I may be bisexual...but I'm still a human too. A human with human emotions. Like love.

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There need to be a fuck-ton more incentives for heterosexual marriage and reproduction, in order to counteract declining birth rates and aging populations in first-world nations. That is far more important.



We do not need an increase in population, for if we increase population


We actually do. A number of first world nations, especially Germany and Japan, are experiencing far too few births. Because they aren't even at the replacement level, their populations are aging. Aging populations mean that more of the elderly -- and there are more of them -- have to rely on support from a shrinking number of working-aged people. At the very least, these countries need to find out how to stabilize their growth patterns.


we would fall into unchecked population growth...Which would outgrow the supply of food produced within this country

There is more than enough food to comfortably feed everyone on earth. The problem is that we have an economic system where it is more profitable to let people starve. Even if the population were cut in half, this would still be the case.
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st1rn3r wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


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There need to be a fuck-ton more incentives for heterosexual marriage and reproduction, in order to counteract declining birth rates and aging populations in first-world nations. That is far more important.



We do not need an increase in population, for if we increase population


We actually do. A number of first world nations, especially Germany and Japan, are experiencing far too few births. Because they aren't even at the replacement level, their populations are aging. Aging populations mean that more of the elderly -- and there are more of them -- have to rely on support from a shrinking number of working-aged people. At the very least, these countries need to find out how to stabilize their growth patterns

we would fall into unchecked population growth...Which would outgrow the supply of food produced within this country

There is more than enough food to comfortably feed everyone on earth. The problem is that we have an economic system where it is more profitable to let people starve. Even if the population were cut in half, this would still be the case.


No we don't. You are only observing the short term affect of population decrease. Consider if our Population were to increase, then, while it would comfort the last days of our elderly, it would create a stress upon the future generation to support a growing elderly population, which, I may add, is not gaurenteed, as in our system, the only one who pay are the ones who work- we cannot expect that all of our population to be employed. Consider also that when we have unchecked growth, we make ourselves burdensome upon the producers of other nations- what, on the surface seems like the present extragence of America depends on the distribution of food being diverted from the straving of the world, and into America and other first world nation. Therefore, because our consumption is much greater than that of the other world, would it not make sense to, instead of force a change of habit upon an entire nation, to lower the amount of people in it? A decrease in population would ensure that much more effectively than any imposition of dietary habit would- and, additionally, we find that this need not be imposed upon an post-industrialised nation, where population naturally shrinks to cite your example of Germany and Japan. Also, consdering as jobs are limited, and there shall always be less jobs than that which supports the entire population as a whole, therefore, less people means less competition for these jobs, and the less competition for these jobs mean a greater degree of people can be employed. While, you may argue, that the decrease in population would shrink the jobs proportionally, thereby offsetting any of the aforementioned positive effects, that would be only an illusion, for in a workplace of five people and a workplace of five thousand, the five people, while not as optimally employed in work as in the five thousand, is much more necessary and useful, and therefore much more guarenteed to retain his job, and, drawing from a smaller pool, there is less competition for the job. Now, considering this, we must also add the Ecological factor into this conclusion- the expansion of man requires more room, which would mean the destruction of Enviorments for the expansion of man's settlement, the problems, manifested in the multitudious scientific research these past few decades, can be lessen, and even mitigated by the decrease of the population of the people of the First world nation, as they are indeed they that, four to one, pollute the most. Economic and Ecological factors aside, the Civil powers of the people and the rulership of the state is increased with less voters and less citizens- it is simple mathematics that, with less population, your vote should count for more, your say would be louder, etc. And, conversly, with less people, the State would have a greater degree of control over the population, as common sense tells us that an authority over less people would have greater control, and greater efficency, its authority being restricted to a few. It is then, for the benefit of all, Economically, Ecologically, and Politically, that population be decreased, safe sex promoted, homosexuality accepted and likewise promoted, and no incentives be given for child birth and marriage- for, as it has oft been shown, Children birthed for the benefits of the states tend to be ill used, as their purpose will turn simply into devices by which the vicious extract as much from the state as possible.
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For. They are humans just like everyone else, and they deserve the same rights. My state is actually having people vote on whether they approve of same-sex marriage or not, and I plan on saying that I do approve
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What people do with their private parts is their business and does not define them as people... let's draw the line at bunny rabbits.
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It's not a personal attack. It's an attack on a religion. Why are Christians so concerned with what OTHER PEOPLE DO in their bedrooms? The only reasons I hear Christians say that homosexuality is wrong is because 'the bible says it's sinful' and 'it's unnatural'. Apparently, it is natural if your God felt the need to make a person gay. By that logic, are you not questioning your own God?

Similarly, Christians also do not occupy an oppressed position, especially not in the West, and especially not in the US. Homosexuals, however, do, and right-wing Christians have committed all sorts of heinous, discriminatory policies and actions against gays.

Don't get me wrong - I appreciate you being respectful. Of course, it also tends to tie in better with the demographic here in extended discussion. I will, however, say that I was once a Christian, and I saw such vitriol and hate come out of Christians that I've given up on the religion as a whole. If Christianity is about Christ, why don't Christians act more Christlike and love other people, rather than trying to legislate against, oppress and kill them?


Sorry for the late reply, I took a break from the internet for a while.
An attack on religion you say? Question is, why?
You're mistaken in your views of christians. From your question, you seem to be fixed on what Christians do. "why are christians so concerned with what OTHER PEOPLE DO...", okay, I get where you're coming from. Christians are concerned with what others do. Basically, you're saying what other people do, isnt our (christians) bussiness, and it's not hurting us, or anyone else, am I right? A better reason to explain why homosexual sex is wrong is because God made sex. Sex is not evil, it's what Adam and Eve did (they were married). Sex is meant to be between a married man and wife. I am going to be a critic of straights now. Pre-Marital sex is wrong. That is fornication. Gay sex is and will always be a form of fornication. Unmarried people that have sex are commiting the same sin. Adultery is a sin. God made sex, people did it, some of them perverted it, and that's why it's called a perversion. How I personally feel about the levels of perversion is not my message here. I simply want to say, homosexual conduct, as well as thoughts (dwelt upon for arousal) are sinful, just as much as opposite-sex sexual actions outside of marriage. Around the begining, God made Adam. Adam was made perfect and sinless. He chose to eat the fruit a tree that gave him the knowledge of good and evil. He chose to sin, he chose to fall. Whether or not God made people gay is beyond the point. What we know is that he gives us the choice to act in a way we want to. He gave all of us the will to do what we want, even if we are tempted. As far as I know, God doesnt think up gay people and shoot them into fathers in the form of sperm to be born to have homosexual conduct. Adam was made by God, and We came from Adam, geneticly. We inherited a sinful nature from him, Adam. You could blame Adam for making the choice to disobey God. Then you could blame sinners for choosing to commit the sins they sinned. By that logic, you could blame everyone, for thier own sins. There is evil, and there is God. Apparently, some people think they can blame God for evil, when in reality, evil is Godlessness, void of good.

I wasn't suprised that you said you were a christian. You say you saw hate come out of many Christians and you gave up on relgion as a whole. That honestly doesnt surprise me. The thing is, I dont look towards what Christians do. I dont really praise Pastor Somebody or condemm them for what they do. They are Christians, they know they're sinners, or they should know, and if they dont, what are they?
Not christian. False christians look towards other christians instead of Christ himself, you saw christians as evil, and you gave up on religion as a whole. You say religion and not Christ? Did you ever accept Christ as your lord and saviour? Or did you one accept christians as your role-models, and then reject them?
I'm only defending my fellow Christians when I ask who are we trying to oppress and kill?
Who are you looking towards to define Christianity: Christ, or Christians who are sinners?
I dont believe you really understood.
You asked "If Christianity is about Christ, why don't Christians act more Christlike and love other people...??
I'm sorry if the christians around you had such a bad influence, but Christianity is about Christ. Why dont they act more like Him? They're sinners you know, they aren't Christ. No one claimed we were Christ. No one said we were perfect. We know we're sinners, but since we're christians people ask us not to judge, and they expect us to be only loving. God didnt even tell us 'thou shalt not judge', more like Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Dont be a hypocrite when you judge. You have a stone in your eye and you point to the pebble in your brother's. We can make judgements, and so does God. To say God's judgements are wrong, is foolish. Again, call them what you will, but they are absolute.

"Christians also do not occupy an opressed position", when I read that I had bad feelings inside. A Church near me just today in the Union City (i'm in San Jose) was vandalized, with Satanic symbols drawn on the building. To say Christians are not opressed is a complete lie. I understand that people have a prejudice of muslims, but the main-stream media sympathizes with them. As for Christians, we maintain our belief that marriage is a creation of God's which should not be perverted, especially by the government. It's not an issue of homosexuality, if it were, we'd be banning homosexuals from even holding hands. The act of sex between unmarried people is a sin. You say discriminatory, I say, you and I made discrimations all the time. Down to it's roots, discrimination is just another one of those words that liberals use to paint conservatives in a bad light. Sure, homosexuals wont support christians or God, they say, discrimination. Conservatives know, God exist, so they made laws to protect the defintion of marriage. You can call them heinous, or discriminatory if you feel like it. You can even say to God that you dont believe he's right about marriage, or what's right and wrong. You can call him an evil dictator, but who are you really talking to when you talk to God? There are humans that love sin, and that's why they say they hate God.
Going back to christians not being opressed, please read the article, I've had people not read the article before, or were too lazy to read, and it's just (..........) sad, unfourtunate, dissappointing: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-the-global-war-on-christians-in-the-muslim-world.html Just look up: oppression of christians, and you'll find tons of evidence.
I get what you mean about the demographic here on extended disscussion, but that doesnt mean you have to become a spokesperson for them using harsh fightin words, with the intent to cuase mayhem...

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Why dont they act more like Him? They're sinners you know, they aren't Christ. No one claimed we were Christ. No one said we were perfect. We know we're sinners, but since we're christians people ask us not to judge, and they expect us to be only loving.


Doesn't excuse the behavior of such people as the Westboro Baptist Church douchebags.



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"Christians also do not occupy an opressed position", when I read that I had bad feelings inside. A Church near me just today in the Union City (i'm in San Jose) was vandalized, with Satanic symbols drawn on the building. To say Christians are not opressed is a complete lie.



No. Just because a church is vandalized every once in a while, doesn't mean the christians are oppressed.
It just means that there are people that disagree with you and choose to show that by commiting acts of vandalism.
Occational vandalism doesn't mean you're oppressed.

In Norway, we had a series of arsons that were commited on various churches across the country in the early 90's.
A SERIES of church burnings. And these churches were centuries old, some even close to a thousand years old.
Yet the christians here never claimed that they were oppressed. It was a terrible loss of culture, and for them also of places belonging to God, but there was never talk of the christians being oppressed.

And that was in a country where less than 29% are religious believers. Not 29% christians, but 29% religious believers in general, compared to the christians alone that make up (according to the sources I have) approx. 80% of US citizens.

You may now stop your whining and get real.




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As for Christians, we maintain our belief that marriage is a creation of God's which should not be perverted, especially by the government.
Sure, homosexuals wont support christians or God, they say, discrimination. Conservatives know, God exist, so they made laws to protect the defintion of marriage.


As far as I remember, the Bible says clearly that religion should never influence politics. The Bible teaches that the followers of God should be neutral when it comes to politicsl. Which is one of the smartest thing that book has to teach.
The government being less influenced by religion and thus allowing things like gay marriage is not "perverting" anything. It's removing oppression over the people that doesn't share your christian beliefs.

And wheather you like it or not, you have NO right to force your beliefs or your morals on others.
And the government, like everyone as individuals, have no business with what people want to do in their own bedrooms. The government exists so that the country has someone to lead it. To prevent anarchy and to call the shots when war breaks out, etc.

The government is NOT the moral protector of society. And it shouldn't be.



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Down to it's roots, discrimination is just another one of those words that liberals use to paint conservatives in a bad light.


Nooooooo.
Discrimination is restricting the freedom of or expressing hatered towards people of different races, religious beliefs or sexual orientations, just because you don't approve of them or share their beliefs.




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You can call them heinous, or discriminatory if you feel like it. You can even say to God that you dont believe he's right about marriage, or what's right and wrong. You can call him an evil dictator, but who are you really talking to when you talk to God? There are humans that love sin, and that's why they say they hate God.


Noooo, they say they hate God because they don't belive in the existence of God.
They belive God is a non-existing fairytale creature made up by man, whoose influence still restrics the freedom of free-minded individuals.
Proof of this is the user "eclair-lumiere" here on crunchyroll. She is an atheist, and she says she hates God.
And yet when it comes to sexuality and issues about relationships, she is the most conservative individual I have ever come across.
And belive me, that's saying a lot more than you think it does.



KnightofMayhem wrote:
Going back to christians not being opressed, please read the article, I've had people not read the article before, or were too lazy to read, and it's just (..........) sad, unfourtunate, dissappointing: http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/05/ayaan-hirsi-ali-the-global-war-on-christians-in-the-muslim-world.html Just look up: oppression of christians, and you'll find tons of evidence.


And yet, it is the exact same thing that you seek to do, only in a less extreme degree.
The muslims kill the christians for not sharing their beliefs. You want to restrict people's freedom or take it away from them because they doesn't share your beliefs.
It is the EXACT. SAME. THING!

How can you be so blind? You only see discrimination and hate when it's done to "your kind", yet when you do it to others, you're oblivious.
Your words are just one massive pile of hypocricy.


Let me remind you of a thing you wrote earlier:


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Dont be a hypocrite when you judge. You have a stone in your eye and you point to the pebble in your brother's.
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Well i like the idéa of homosexuals that has the right to get married.. tho i dont understand why they want to get married under a relgion that just hate them for what they are and like.
Rather do it threw court and then have a wedding that is more personal.. like gather all friends and family after the paper is signed and have a fun and wonderful cermony there it is all about love without judgemental bibles that condem them anyhow..
All shall have the right to get married.. tho i dont think church or other relgion facility is the best thing for anyone.. as it is build on narrow minded people from the past... and why get married in a church there so many was murderd and forced to actual state the relgion in the area..
Plus i'm agenst churches anyway.. rather see people use that money on the poor.. let me qoute something wonderful;

"lift a rock, and there are i" meaning you can go whatever you want.. the forrest or the subway and the love will always be there.. dont need to be showed in buildings or books.. something is closer then what one exspect.
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I had quite a long post composed in my head but it started to become more effort than this was worth let's see If I can make it quick and simple.

The vast majority of your post is a long rant of convoluted logic based on irrelevant premises that I parse out as saying

“Please refer all complaints about Christians to our god.”

This is about as helpful and conciliatory as if I called your God “your imaginary friend”
Telling me to direct my complaints to a supervisor with no address or postal code is the height of rudeness.

You and I live in different countries. But in both of them about 80% of state regulated holidays are christian celebrations. In both of them our calendar is derived from one established by a christian prelate. (Pope Gregory=Gregorian Calendar).In your country; Coaches, Ballplayers and other public figures routinely invoke God in public. Public office, especially high public office, is impossible to achieve without declaring your religious affiliation. And not only must said affiliation be Christian but if it isn't the 'right' flavour of Christianity it becomes a liability (or for the successful candidate; a legitimization of that branch of the faith). (examples: JFK- Roman Catholicism, Romney- LDS). In many of your jurisdictions Christian backed drives to have fairy tails taught instead of science, or children indoctrinated with the Lord's Prayer every morning at school or to ban Sunday shopping continue take up a great deal of public discourse. You are NOT oppressed. You may feel your power contracting, but an erosion of a position of supremacy is NOT oppression. Grow up.

You're right. We do make discriminations all the time. Coke and Pepsi want us to discriminate between them. I discriminate between white cotton, or paisley synthetics every morning when I stare at my sock drawer. But most human rights codes say we are violating people's rights when we discriminate on a basis of sex. (only woman can be a nurse), Race (White men can't jump), Creed (Muslims shouldn't be president) or Sexual Orientation. (Gay people cannot enjoy being married under the law)

No one is trying to force your congregations and ministers to marry someone against their concience. But YOU are trying to keep people who CAN go to a Justice of the peace or who DO have a more open minded minister, priest, druid to bless them from getting married. That IS a discriminatory violation of a gay person's human rights.


You can even say to God that you dont believe he's right about marriage, or what's right and wrong.


That assumes that (a) I believe in God … and (B) that I agree with YOU on what YOU think the inner mind of god is. Not all Christians seem to believe as you do. The largest non-catholic denomination in Canada doesn't...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_the_United_Church_of_Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada


Sure, homosexuals wont support christians or God, they say, discrimination. Conservatives know, God exist, so they made laws to protect the defintion of marriage.


The above is just misguided and ignorant. It assumes all Gays are anti-church and all conservatives are pro. It also again asssumes that 'conservatives' know the mind of god so well and that the sacrement of marriage actually needs defending from the expansion of liberalization of the social and legal artifact of the same name. Here's an idea. Why don't we just follow on separation of Church and State and abolish Marriage as a legal entity all together. Everyone can have 'Civil Unions' since that's all they are in the eyes of the law anyway.

Finally, your attempt to throw Angrier Chick's words back in her face was clumsy, contrived and transparent. It proved nothing other than you are nowhere near as respectful as she gave you credit for.
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Well i like the idéa of homosexuals that has the right to get married.. tho i dont understand why they want to get married under a relgion that just hate them for what they are and like.
Rather do it threw court and then have a wedding that is more personal.. like gather all friends and family after the paper is signed and have a fun and wonderful cermony there it is all about love without judgemental bibles that condem them anyhow..
All shall have the right to get married.. tho i dont think church or other relgion facility is the best thing for anyone.. as it is build on narrow minded people from the past... and why get married in a church there so many was murderd and forced to actual state the relgion in the area..
Plus i'm agenst churches anyway.. rather see people use that money on the poor.. let me qoute something wonderful;

"lift a rock, and there are i" meaning you can go whatever you want.. the forrest or the subway and the love will always be there.. dont need to be showed in buildings or books.. something is closer then what one exspect.


There are some churches that would marry gays if allowed. And DO SO where they are allowed.

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Azubooh wrote:

Well i like the idéa of homosexuals that has the right to get married.. tho i dont understand why they want to get married under a relgion that just hate them for what they are and like.
Rather do it threw court and then have a wedding that is more personal.. like gather all friends and family after the paper is signed and have a fun and wonderful cermony there it is all about love without judgemental bibles that condem them anyhow..
All shall have the right to get married.. tho i dont think church or other relgion facility is the best thing for anyone.. as it is build on narrow minded people from the past... and why get married in a church there so many was murderd and forced to actual state the relgion in the area..
Plus i'm agenst churches anyway.. rather see people use that money on the poor.. let me qoute something wonderful;

"lift a rock, and there are i" meaning you can go whatever you want.. the forrest or the subway and the love will always be there.. dont need to be showed in buildings or books.. something is closer then what one exspect.


There are some churches that would marry gays if allowed. And DO SO where they are allowed.



Still why want to get married under a bible that with plain words condem them to hell? dont understand that at all.. rather ignore them all together and make a place there evryone is loved for who they are.. then use duble moral.. Feel sorry for them that dont read the bible all together.. and just see the insane hatred and hidden message that lies in it.. do hate relgion as they try to controll people with fear and hatred.. rather have a place without no book or judgemental people.. rather make a place there all is celebrated for who they are.. ^^

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Azubooh wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Azubooh wrote:

Well i like the idéa of homosexuals that has the right to get married.. tho i dont understand why they want to get married under a relgion that just hate them for what they are and like.
Rather do it threw court and then have a wedding that is more personal.. like gather all friends and family after the paper is signed and have a fun and wonderful cermony there it is all about love without judgemental bibles that condem them anyhow..
All shall have the right to get married.. tho i dont think church or other relgion facility is the best thing for anyone.. as it is build on narrow minded people from the past... and why get married in a church there so many was murderd and forced to actual state the relgion in the area..
Plus i'm agenst churches anyway.. rather see people use that money on the poor.. let me qoute something wonderful;

"lift a rock, and there are i" meaning you can go whatever you want.. the forrest or the subway and the love will always be there.. dont need to be showed in buildings or books.. something is closer then what one exspect.


There are some churches that would marry gays if allowed. And DO SO where they are allowed.



Still why want to get married under a bible that with plain words condem them to hell? dont understand that at all.. rather ignore them all together and make a place there evryone is loved for who they are.. then use duble moral.. Feel sorry for them that dont read the bible all together.. and just see the insane hatred and hidden message that lies in it.. do hate relgion as they try to controll people with fear and hatred.. rather have a place without no book or judgemental people.. rather make a place there all is celebrated for who they are.. ^^


you miss the point. Not all religion is as you describe. And it is those who read and interpret the bible who are unequivocal about it's condemnation of gays. The actual document is... open to interpretation.

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papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Azubooh wrote:


papagolfwhiskey wrote:


Azubooh wrote:

Well i like the idéa of homosexuals that has the right to get married.. tho i dont understand why they want to get married under a relgion that just hate them for what they are and like.
Rather do it threw court and then have a wedding that is more personal.. like gather all friends and family after the paper is signed and have a fun and wonderful cermony there it is all about love without judgemental bibles that condem them anyhow..
All shall have the right to get married.. tho i dont think church or other relgion facility is the best thing for anyone.. as it is build on narrow minded people from the past... and why get married in a church there so many was murderd and forced to actual state the relgion in the area..
Plus i'm agenst churches anyway.. rather see people use that money on the poor.. let me qoute something wonderful;

"lift a rock, and there are i" meaning you can go whatever you want.. the forrest or the subway and the love will always be there.. dont need to be showed in buildings or books.. something is closer then what one exspect.


There are some churches that would marry gays if allowed. And DO SO where they are allowed.



Still why want to get married under a bible that with plain words condem them to hell? dont understand that at all.. rather ignore them all together and make a place there evryone is loved for who they are.. then use duble moral.. Feel sorry for them that dont read the bible all together.. and just see the insane hatred and hidden message that lies in it.. do hate relgion as they try to controll people with fear and hatred.. rather have a place without no book or judgemental people.. rather make a place there all is celebrated for who they are.. ^^


you miss the point. Not all religion is as you describe. And it is those who read and interpret the bible who are unequivocal about it's condemnation of gays. The actual document is... open to interpretation.



The bible is written in blood so many was murderd.. just becuse they was diffrent.. even the monks that wrote the damn thing toke sucide after awile.. people genesise, pain and suffering... Still it is people that dies becuse of that dammned book.. so dont say that.. becuse it was a book created to control people.. When Rom was in blaze they created this to control the people from braking free.
So many has sufferd becuse of it.. places the churches lies on atleast in Sweden is on old ritual places of the old gods they recked and murderd people that defended them to build a church on...
Use fear and terror to still in present day control people.. I have read it most of the things is to control and subdue people from evolve to their freedom... Still dont understand why linger on something that cause so mutch pain and hatred..
Relgion as a consetute is a tool to control people to make people go in groups and not leave it.. if they do they are abnormal..
The only true thing and the only thing that is true is peoples FAITH.. But relgion in whole is a dammned sideway.

Faith, freedom and love.. those things can be found somewhere else then relgion..

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I don't feel that you're reallly listening to me. instead you have a cause you wish to rant about. okay then. carry on.
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