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Whether God exists or not really isn't relevant to the topic of gay marriage. The fact is that Christians like me believe He exists and this act of believing--not the belief itself--is what matters. Countering "God hates fags" with "Well, God doesn't exist" won't reach any conclusions, or even stay on topic.

Speaking of staying on topic, I'm perfectly okay with gays. Some of my best friends are gay. I don't see sin whenever I look at them--I see human beings. The center of the entire Christian belief is not "burn all fags" but "Jesus Christ died on the cross out of love for everyone". Everyone, not just straight people. I think the overzealous Christians need to stop being such insufferable jerks to gays. I mean, seriously, telling someone to their face that their entire identity--their entire being--is ugly as sin because they love someone of the same sex--I mean...what? How does that even--I mean--what. Stop. Just stop. You can't love your freaking neighbor if you're constantly poking at the mote in their eye, if their love even is a mote in the first place.

As for whether gays should be allowed to marry--I'm also in favor of saying "yes" to that, and that's where my religion/philosophy gets a little ambiguous. I just...I just think it's sad--not wrong or right or anything so concrete--but just plain sad that people out there who are genuinely in love with each other are being prevented from symbolizing that love through marriage simply because they happen to be of the same sex.
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Whether God exists or not really isn't relevant to the topic of gay marriage. The fact is that Christians like me believe He exists and this act of believing--not the belief itself--is what matters. Countering "God hates fags" with "Well, God doesn't exist" won't reach any conclusions, or even stay on topic.

Speaking of staying on topic, I'm perfectly okay with gays. Some of my best friends are gay. I don't see sin whenever I look at them--I see human beings. The center of the entire Christian belief is not "burn all fags" but "Jesus Christ died on the cross out of love for everyone". Everyone, not just straight people. I think the overzealous Christians need to stop being such insufferable jerks to gays. I mean, seriously, telling someone to their face that their entire identity--their entire being--is ugly as sin because they love someone of the same sex--I mean...what? How does that even--I mean--what. Stop. Just stop. You can't love your freaking neighbor if you're constantly poking at the mote in their eye, if their love even is a mote in the first place.

As for whether gays should be allowed to marry--I'm also in favor of saying "yes" to that, and that's where my religion/philosophy gets a little ambiguous. I just...I just think it's sad--not wrong or right or anything so concrete--but just plain sad that people out there who are genuinely in love with each other are being prevented from symbolizing that love through marriage simply because they happen to be of the same sex.
Well this musical shares your sentimentality.

"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly,
A star-studded cast turns out for Marc Shaiman's "Prop 8 - The Musical."
Whereas myself OTOH prefer something more fierce and relevant with my chosen mythology.


Now I'm not here to argue with you whether or not the Christian God exists, however I would like you to consider this pet theory of mine about how and why some of us human beings within certain fundamental Christian denominations, are so hateful towards, well, anything that they set their teeth in. While I get to play-out my earnest "Puny Banner with the big brain" impersonation. And I hope you'll find it to be enlightening, educational, helpful, or just down right nerdy. Because I'm weird like that.

First I would like to present the historical, archaeological, and anthropological findings on how the biblical monotheism was actually evolved from polytheism. That the Christian God Yahweh from the Old Testament was integrated into the belief system as a God of War, it wasn't there at the first place to begin with.

3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
I explain how I learned from A History of God by Karen Armstrong that the evidence indicates that the Jewish concept of monotheism evolved from the syncretism of various polytheistic sources like Canaanite and Babylonian polytheism.

Now that we've seen how can a God symbolized unconditional love within a belief system based on myths, had been transformed by men's vanity and biased opinions about their own superiority complex. It's then easier for us to understand why such radical hatred can arrive from Christian fundamentalists, with the eloquent evolutionary psychological explanation called Terror Management Theory.

Sheldon Solomon - Ernest Becker & The Denial of Death
Terror Management Theory (TMT) was proposed in 1986 by social psychologists Jeff Greenberg, Tom Pyszczynski, and Sheldon Solomon. The theory was inspired by the writings of cultural anthropologist, Ernest Becker, and was initiated by two relatively simple questions: Why do people have such a great need to feel good about themselves?; and Why do people have so much trouble getting along with those different from themselves?

The basic gist of the theory is that humans are motivated to quell the potential for terror inherent in the human awareness of vulnerability and mortality by investing in cultural belief systems (or worldviews) that imbue life with meaning, and the individuals who subscribe to them with significance (or self-esteem). Since its inception, the theory has generated empirical research into not just the nature of self-esteem motivation and prejudice, but also a host of other forms of human social behavior. To date, over 300 studies conducted in over a dozen countries have explored such topics as aggression, stereotyping, needs for structure and meaning, depression and psychopathology (e.g., phobias), political preferences, creativity, sexuality and attraction, romantic and interpersonal attachment, self-awareness, unconscious cognition, martyrdom, religion, group identification, disgust, human-nature relations, physical health, risk taking, and legal judgments.
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My mom and my sister are lesbians.
Yes. I do believe in gay marriage because marriage is a right, not a privilege. It's childish to take someones right to happiness and their right to love away because they don't love the opposite sex. I have mad hate for anyone who uses their god as a placement for their personal prejudices. Leave God out of the equasion, and face the fact that you're a hateful jerk.
Posted 3/18/12
I respect them .
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Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public.
Posted 3/19/12

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Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public.
Tell that to Mother Nature, which creates homosexuality and heterosexuality without bias. You self-righteous bigot. Who's determined to make children afraid of all the diverse human sexuality with your irrational homophobia, and possibly themselves if they just happened to be born as homosexuals.

And before you even try to get onto my case as some sorta petty revenge scheme, I'm a heterosexual who doesn't need you to defend my rights to get married. Especially when you're a narcissist who refers herself in third person, like someone who would talk like an egotistical pro-wrestler because she believes that she somehow deserves more attention and adoration over others. That might looks cute with 2 years old, but you're just annoyingly egocentric.
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Tell that to Mother Nature, which creates homosexuality and heterosexuality without bias. You self-righteous bigot. Who's determined to make children afraid of all the diverse human sexuality with your irrational homophobia, and possibly themselves if they just happened to be born as homosexuals.

And before you even try to get onto my case as some sorta petty revenge scheme, I'm a heterosexual who doesn't need you to defend my rights to get married. Especially when you're a narcissist who refers herself in third person, like someone who would talk like an egotistical pro-wrestler because she believes that she somehow deserves more attention and adoration over others. That might looks cute with 2 years old, but you're just annoyingly egocentric.


Lala can spot a problem with your body.

#1: Mother nature does not create both homosexuality and heterosexuality equally. Lala would like proof of your claim because Lala does not see homosexuals everywhere.

#2: Lala thinks you're just being rude because you had a bad day. Please come back after you calm down and can talk sensibly.
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DomFortress wrote:

Tell that to Mother Nature, which creates homosexuality and heterosexuality without bias. You self-righteous bigot. Who's determined to make children afraid of all the diverse human sexuality with your irrational homophobia, and possibly themselves if they just happened to be born as homosexuals.

And before you even try to get onto my case as some sorta petty revenge scheme, I'm a heterosexual who doesn't need you to defend my rights to get married. Especially when you're a narcissist who refers herself in third person, like someone who would talk like an egotistical pro-wrestler because she believes that she somehow deserves more attention and adoration over others. That might looks cute with 2 years old, but you're just annoyingly egocentric.


Lala can spot a problem with your body.

#1: Mother nature does not create both homosexuality and heterosexuality equally. Lala would like proof of your claim because Lala does not see homosexuals everywhere.

#2: Lala thinks you're just being rude because you had a bad day. Please come back after you calm down and can talk sensibly.
Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility.
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Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility.


Lala appreciates that you stopped the name-calling. But Lala still is not convinced.

#1: That video did not prove that homosexuality is as common as heterosexuality.

#2: Comparing animal behavior to justify human behavior is not okay. If Lala saw a lion attacking a person, Lala would try to save the person.

#3: Lala would still like proof that homosexuality is made equally to heterosexuality by nature.
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DomFortress wrote:

Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility.


Lala appreciates that you stopped the name-calling. But Lala still is not convinced.

#1: That video did not prove that homosexuality is as common as heterosexuality.

#2: Comparing animal behavior to justify human behavior is not okay. If Lala saw a lion attacking a person, Lala would try to save the person.

#3: Lala would still like proof that homosexuality is made equally to heterosexuality by nature.
1)It is when you stop unnecessarily oppressing and ignoring them, for no good reason other than your irrational homophobia.

2)Humans are just another species of social animals/cultured apes, according to behaviour economy, anthropology, evolutionary biology, neurology, sociology, and from nature's perspective. No matter how egocentrically misguided you think you are with your unjustified superiority complex, you'll still get killed by lions(they hunt in a group) when you get between them and their next meal.

3)Quantity isn't quality. Just because there are more heterosexuals as homosexuals, doesn't give you the rights to ignore and oppress them.
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#2: Comparing animal behavior to justify human behavior is not okay. If Lala saw a lion attacking a person, Lala would try to save the person.
I find it ironic that you counter the argument with an unrelated notion of a human benevolent action. Often the existence human benevolence is said to compensate for the degree to which we, despite being intelligent beings, resort to violence, hate and discrimination of those who are different. The irony here is that animals lack the ability to comprehend these concepts, yet homosexuality goes unnoticed and without concern from the point of view of those animals.

So apparently despite being gifted with our huge, complex brains we still are inferior to the rest of the animal kingdom when it comes to tolerance and acceptance of those around us.
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1)It is when you stop unnecessarily oppressing them, for no good reason other than your irrational homophobia.

2)Humans are just another species of social animals/cultured apes, according to behaviour economy, anthropology, evolutionary biology, neurology, sociology, and from nature's perspective. No matter how egocentrically misguided you think you are with your unjustified superiority complex.

3)Quantity isn't quality. Just because there are more heterosexuals as homosexuals, doesn't give you the rights to ignore and oppress them.


Lala is not homophobic. Lala only thinks that homosexuality should not be encouraged.

#1: Lala disagrees. There is no reason for Lala to believe something that has insufficient evidence, just like how there is insufficient evidence for God.

#2: Humans are capable of much more than other animals. To compare humans to animals is ridiculous, otherwise survival itself would be hypocritical. Not everyone is a vegetarian.

#3: Lala never said to ignore homosexuals. Lala only said to stop encouraging homosexuality to society. Lala thinks the best conclusion would be to find a fixture to the causes, just like how lazy-eye problems are fixed during childhood. Just because the child was born with it, does not mean it should be kept.
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I find it ironic that you counter the argument with an unrelated notion of a human benevolent action. Often the existence human benevolence is said to compensate for the degree to which we, despite being intelligent beings, resort to violence, hate and discrimination of those who are different. The irony here is that animals lack the ability to comprehend these concepts, yet homosexuality goes unnoticed and without concern from the point of view of those animals.

So apparently despite being gifted with our huge, complex brains we still are inferior to the rest of the animal kingdom when it comes to tolerance and acceptance of those around us.


Lala thinks you just proved Lala's point. Animals lack the ability to comprehend these concepts, and shouldn't be compared to humans when it comes to behavior. Just because it is a natural desire, does not mean it is okay. Otherwise you are condoning pedophilia, where pedophiles use little children to fulfill their sexual desires.
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DomFortress wrote:

1)It is when you stop unnecessarily oppressing them, for no good reason other than your irrational homophobia.

2)Humans are just another species of social animals/cultured apes, according to behaviour economy, anthropology, evolutionary biology, neurology, sociology, and from nature's perspective. No matter how egocentrically misguided you think you are with your unjustified superiority complex.

3)Quantity isn't quality. Just because there are more heterosexuals as homosexuals, doesn't give you the rights to ignore and oppress them.


Lala is not homophobic. Lala only thinks that homosexuality should not be encouraged.

#1: Lala disagrees. There is no reason for Lala to believe something that has insufficient evidence, just like how there is insufficient evidence for God.

#2: Humans are capable of much more than other animals. To compare humans to animals is ridiculous, otherwise survival itself would be hypocritical. Not everyone is a vegetarian.

#3: Lala never said to ignore homosexuals. Lala only said to stop encouraging homosexuality to society. Lala thinks the best conclusion would be to find a fixture to the causes, just like how lazy-eye problems are fixed during childhood. Just because the child was born with it, does not mean it should be kept.
Do you fear lazy-eye just as you would fear homosexuals? Hence you would try to correct an error.

And there's irrefutable evidence when it comes to the existence of homosexuality; you and I are arguing about it. Whereas the monotheistic Christian God is historically proven to be man-made.

Finally, you're right that you've proven just how much more ignorant, weak, and superstitious you can be as human. You can't even hunt for your own meal, much less yourself saving others.
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Do you fear lazy-eye just as you would fear homosexuals? Hence you would try to correct an error.

And there's irrefutable evidence when it comes to the existence of homosexuality; you and I are arguing about it. Whereas the monotheistic Christian God is historically proven to be man-made.

Finally, you're right that you've proven just how much more ignorant, weak, and superstitious you can be as human. You can't even hunt for your own meal, much less yourself saving others.


Lala believes you're twisting and ignoring a lot of Lala's points. But Lala doesn't mind.

#1: Lala would like to know your basis on saying that the act of correcting lazy-eye is due to phobia.

#2: Lala never said there's no evidence for homosexuality. Lala was asking for evidence of homosexuality being as common as heterosexuality. Lala believes you couldn't provide evidence, so it's fair for Lala to not believe what you're saying.

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