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Posted 3/20/12 , edited 3/20/12

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You weren't making a comparison between lazy-eye and homosexuality, when you were making a suggestion here that homosexuality is something that needs to be corrected like the lazy-eyes.

And you still lack sufficient justification on why we shouldn't accept homosexuality.


Lala believes you're being immaturely stubborn on this point. It was a comparison, as well as a suggestion. Lala believes that the two concepts can coexist. Also, you were the one stating that it was a fallacy, and if that were the case, Lala doesn't think it's possible for a suggestion to be a fallacy.
No, when a comparison isn't synonymous as a suggestion according to a thesaurus here.

And if anything, I'm being frank, technical, serious, patient, and thus very mature with my approach. You're the one who's not being clear just what fallacy that you claimed I was making and how, while you're misleading the audiences with your "suggestions" as red herring fallacy.
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Posted 3/20/12

DomFortress wrote:

No, when a comparison is synonymous as a suggestion according to a thesaurus here.

And if anything, I'm being frank, technical, serious, patient, and thus very mature with my approach. You're the one who's not being clear just what fallacy that you claimed I was making and how, while you're misleading the audiences with your "suggestions" as red herring fallacy.


Lala has no idea what you're trying to prove. You told Lala that Lala was not making a comparison, but a suggestion. Now you're telling Lala that a suggestion is a comparison.
Posted 3/20/12

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And what site is that? When my original information picked up what happened during and after 1973, your finding was comparatively a joke.

In 1973, the weight of empirical data, coupled with changing social norms and the development of a politically active gay community in the United States, led the Board of Directors of the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). Some psychiatrists who fiercely opposed their action subsequently circulated a petition calling for a vote on the issue by the Association's membership. That vote was held in 1974, and the Board's decision was ratified.

Subsequently, a new diagnosis, ego-dystonic homosexuality, was created for the DSM's third edition in 1980. Ego dystonic homosexuality was indicated by: (1) a persistent lack of heterosexual arousal, which the patient experienced as interfering with initiation or maintenance of wanted heterosexual relationships, and (2) persistent distress from a sustained pattern of unwanted homosexual arousal.

And "to discourage" is synonymous with "to condemn", just as how "to encourage" is synonymous with "to condone", according to the thesaurus here. And do you know what it's also synonymous with? To "bully". You bully.


#1: Lala was simply responding to you after you stated that homosexuality is no longer considered a mental disorder while pedophilia still is, and therefore cannot be compared. Lala pointed out that homosexuality was supposed to still be considered a mental disorder, until the homosexual community threatened with violent protests as indicated in your reference.

#2: Lala believes that condemn holds the wrong implication for Lala's feelings towards the homosexual community. But Lala knows that you will not believe, so Lala won't bother trying to convince you even after already saying that Lala does not condemn.
It wasn't enough to make a scientific claim simply due to civil(not "violent") protest. Which my source indicated while yours didn't.

So when you choose the word "discourage", which is synonymous with the word bully meaning to dishearten and dispirit, you also choose to bully homosexuals for no good reason.
Posted 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

No, when a comparison is synonymous as a suggestion according to a thesaurus here.

And if anything, I'm being frank, technical, serious, patient, and thus very mature with my approach. You're the one who's not being clear just what fallacy that you claimed I was making and how, while you're misleading the audiences with your "suggestions" as red herring fallacy.


Lala has no idea what you're trying to prove. You told Lala that Lala was not making a comparison, but a suggestion. Now you're telling Lala that a suggestion is a comparison.
That was a typo on my part, sorry about that. I've now corrected my mistake.

Nevertheless, you still lack sufficient justification for your belief on openly discouraging/bullying homosexuals.
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Posted 3/20/12

DomFortress wrote:

It wasn't enough to make a scientific claim simply due to civil(not "violent") protest. Which my source indicated while yours didn't.

So when you choose the word "discourage", which is synonymous with the word bully meaning to dishearten and dispirit, you also choose to bully homosexuals for no good reason.


#1: Lala thinks what you're saying is completely out of proportion with what has been discussed. Lala remembers that you brought up the fact that homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder and therefore cannot be compared with pedophilia, while Lala simply pointed out that it would still be considered a mental disorder if it weren't for the protests. This was simply responding to someone's point that just because it's natural desire it should be acceptable.

#2: Lala thinks that you're just trying to be mean to Lala for personal reasons.
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DomFortress wrote:

That was a typo on my part, sorry about that. I've now corrected my mistake.

Nevertheless, you still lack sufficient justification for your belief on openly discouraging/bullying homosexuals.


#1: It was both a suggestion and comparison in one post. It doesn't have to be a synonym.

#2: Already stated above.
Posted 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

It wasn't enough to make a scientific claim simply due to civil(not "violent") protest. Which my source indicated while yours didn't.

So when you choose the word "discourage", which is synonymous with the word bully meaning to dishearten and dispirit, you also choose to bully homosexuals for no good reason.


#1: Lala thinks what you're saying is completely out of proportion with what has been discussed. Lala remembers that you brought up the fact that homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder and therefore cannot be compared with pedophilia, while Lala simply pointed out that it would still be considered a mental disorder if it weren't for the protests. This was simply responding to someone's point that just because it's natural desire it should be acceptable.

#2: Lala thinks that you're just trying to be mean to Lala for personal reasons.
No, when it was you who lied here about a "violent" protest that forced the change in DMS, which was in fact a civil protest. It wasn't about "natural desire" being "acceptable" or not.

And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully.
Posted 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

That was a typo on my part, sorry about that. I've now corrected my mistake.

Nevertheless, you still lack sufficient justification for your belief on openly discouraging/bullying homosexuals.


#1: It was both a suggestion and comparison in one post. It doesn't have to be a synonym.

#2: Already stated above.
You can't compare what's a correctable mistake like the lazy-eyes to what's not a mistake like homosexuality, thus you can't even make suggestion for correction when homosexuality needn't correcting. Especially when your form of "correction" means openly bullying a visible minority. You bully.
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DomFortress wrote:

No, when it was you who lied here about a "violent" protest that forced the change in DMS, which was in fact a civil protest. It wasn't about "natural desire" being "acceptable" or not.

And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully.


#1: Lala didn't lie. It was a violent protest, it simply ended civilly.

#2: Someone stated that all natural desires should be acceptable, then Lala brought up that it would make pedophilia acceptable. You stated that Lala cannot compare homosexuality to pedophilia, because it is not listed on the mental disorder list.

#3: Lala can't prove your inner thoughts. Lala simply assumes that you are being mean for personal reasons.
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DomFortress wrote:

You can't compare what's a correctable mistake like the lazy-eyes to what's not a mistake like homosexuality, thus you can't even make suggestion for correction when homosexuality needn't correcting. Especially when your form of "correction" means openly bullying a visible minority. You bully.


#1: Homosexuality is correctable, and preventable. There are hundreds of books worldwide regarding this subject.

#2: Lala would like to know what makes you so sure that homosexuality is not a mistake. Because even to this day, it is not proven whether it is preferential or genetic.

#3: Lazy-eye was brought up to prove Lala's point that just because it is natural, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.

#4: Lala never said to bully homosexuals in order to discourage homosexuality. Unless you consider all forms of correction bullying, including rehabilitation centers.
Posted 3/20/12 , edited 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

No, when it was you who lied here about a "violent" protest that forced the change in DMS, which was in fact a civil protest. It wasn't about "natural desire" being "acceptable" or not.

And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully.


#1: Lala didn't lie. It was a violent protest, it simply ended civilly.

#2: Someone stated that all natural desires should be acceptable, then Lala brought up that it would make pedophilia acceptable. You stated that Lala cannot compare homosexuality to pedophilia, because it is not listed on the mental disorder list.

#3: Lala can't prove your inner thoughts. Lala simply assumes that you are being mean for personal reasons.
What exactly were "violent" about a protest with no physical, mental, nor emotional harm done? Or are you just senselessly assume what you can't prove. How's that different than yourself pathologically lying like a psychopath would?

And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion.
Posted 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

You can't compare what's a correctable mistake like the lazy-eyes to what's not a mistake like homosexuality, thus you can't even make suggestion for correction when homosexuality needn't correcting. Especially when your form of "correction" means openly bullying a visible minority. You bully.


#1: Homosexuality is correctable, and preventable. There are hundreds of books worldwide regarding this subject.

#2: Lala would like to know what makes you so sure that homosexuality is not a mistake. Because even to this day, it is not proven whether it is preferential or genetic.

#3: Lazy-eye was brought up to prove Lala's point that just because it is natural, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed.

#4: Lala never said to bully homosexuals in order to discourage homosexuality. Unless you consider all forms of correction bullying, including rehabilitation centers.
You mean all the mental and emotional harms done by the ex-gay ministries/movement? I don't see how's that constitutes as "rehabilitation". You liar.

It's not as uncertain as science has come to know.

Homosexuality doesn't make people less sociable or insane, therefore it needn't fixing.

To discourage is synonymous as to bully, you bully.
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Posted 3/20/12

DomFortress wrote:

What exactly were "violent" about a protest with no physical, mental, nor emotional harm done? Or are you just senselessly assume what you can't prove. How's that different than yourself pathologically lying like a psychopath would?

And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion.


#1: Lala doesn't know your standards for violence, but Lala considers threatening behavior violent on its own.

#2: Lala thinks you're being really mean for personal reasons.

#3: Lala has repeated herself many times. Lala was merely comparing homosexuality with pedophilia in response to someone's statement regarding natural desires.
Posted 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

What exactly were "violent" about a protest with no physical, mental, nor emotional harm done? Or are you just senselessly assume what you can't prove. How's that different than yourself pathologically lying like a psychopath would?

And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion.


#1: Lala doesn't know your standards for violence, but Lala considers threatening behavior violent on its own.

#2: Lala thinks you're being really mean for personal reasons.

#3: Lala has repeated herself many times. Lala was merely comparing homosexuality with pedophilia in response to someone's statement regarding natural desires.
And how is yourself discouraging/disheartening/dispiriting homosexuals aren't mental and emotional violence/bullying?

And paedophilia isn't a natural desire when it's a mental disorder listed in DSM IV. Therefore you can't compare it to homosexuality which isn't a mental disorder.
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Posted 3/20/12 , edited 3/20/12

LalaSatalin wrote:

Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public.


Lala should crawl back to the neanderthal cave she came from and stay there.
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