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DomFortress wrote: It wasn't enough to make a scientific claim simply due to civil(not "violent") protest. Which my source indicated while yours didn't. So when you choose the word "discourage", which is synonymous with the word bully meaning to dishearten and dispirit, you also choose to bully homosexuals for no good reason. #1: Lala thinks what you're saying is completely out of proportion with what has been discussed. Lala remembers that you brought up the fact that homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder and therefore cannot be compared with pedophilia, while Lala simply pointed out that it would still be considered a mental disorder if it weren't for the protests. This was simply responding to someone's point that just because it's natural desire it should be acceptable. #2: Lala thinks that you're just trying to be mean to Lala for personal reasons. |
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DomFortress wrote: That was a typo on my part, sorry about that. I've now corrected my mistake. Nevertheless, you still lack sufficient justification for your belief on openly discouraging/bullying homosexuals. #1: It was both a suggestion and comparison in one post. It doesn't have to be a synonym. #2: Already stated above. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: It wasn't enough to make a scientific claim simply due to civil(not "violent") protest. Which my source indicated while yours didn't. So when you choose the word "discourage", which is synonymous with the word bully meaning to dishearten and dispirit, you also choose to bully homosexuals for no good reason. #1: Lala thinks what you're saying is completely out of proportion with what has been discussed. Lala remembers that you brought up the fact that homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder and therefore cannot be compared with pedophilia, while Lala simply pointed out that it would still be considered a mental disorder if it weren't for the protests. This was simply responding to someone's point that just because it's natural desire it should be acceptable. #2: Lala thinks that you're just trying to be mean to Lala for personal reasons. And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: That was a typo on my part, sorry about that. I've now corrected my mistake. Nevertheless, you still lack sufficient justification for your belief on openly discouraging/bullying homosexuals. #1: It was both a suggestion and comparison in one post. It doesn't have to be a synonym. #2: Already stated above. |
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DomFortress wrote: No, when it was you who lied here about a "violent" protest that forced the change in DMS, which was in fact a civil protest. It wasn't about "natural desire" being "acceptable" or not. And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully. #1: Lala didn't lie. It was a violent protest, it simply ended civilly. #2: Someone stated that all natural desires should be acceptable, then Lala brought up that it would make pedophilia acceptable. You stated that Lala cannot compare homosexuality to pedophilia, because it is not listed on the mental disorder list. #3: Lala can't prove your inner thoughts. Lala simply assumes that you are being mean for personal reasons. |
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DomFortress wrote: You can't compare what's a correctable mistake like the lazy-eyes to what's not a mistake like homosexuality, thus you can't even make suggestion for correction when homosexuality needn't correcting. Especially when your form of "correction" means openly bullying a visible minority. You bully. #1: Homosexuality is correctable, and preventable. There are hundreds of books worldwide regarding this subject. #2: Lala would like to know what makes you so sure that homosexuality is not a mistake. Because even to this day, it is not proven whether it is preferential or genetic. #3: Lazy-eye was brought up to prove Lala's point that just because it is natural, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. #4: Lala never said to bully homosexuals in order to discourage homosexuality. Unless you consider all forms of correction bullying, including rehabilitation centers. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: No, when it was you who lied here about a "violent" protest that forced the change in DMS, which was in fact a civil protest. It wasn't about "natural desire" being "acceptable" or not. And you're making baseless claim on my person without sufficient justification again. You bully. #1: Lala didn't lie. It was a violent protest, it simply ended civilly. #2: Someone stated that all natural desires should be acceptable, then Lala brought up that it would make pedophilia acceptable. You stated that Lala cannot compare homosexuality to pedophilia, because it is not listed on the mental disorder list. #3: Lala can't prove your inner thoughts. Lala simply assumes that you are being mean for personal reasons. And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: You can't compare what's a correctable mistake like the lazy-eyes to what's not a mistake like homosexuality, thus you can't even make suggestion for correction when homosexuality needn't correcting. Especially when your form of "correction" means openly bullying a visible minority. You bully. #1: Homosexuality is correctable, and preventable. There are hundreds of books worldwide regarding this subject. #2: Lala would like to know what makes you so sure that homosexuality is not a mistake. Because even to this day, it is not proven whether it is preferential or genetic. #3: Lazy-eye was brought up to prove Lala's point that just because it is natural, doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. #4: Lala never said to bully homosexuals in order to discourage homosexuality. Unless you consider all forms of correction bullying, including rehabilitation centers. It's not as uncertain as science has come to know. Homosexuality doesn't make people less sociable or insane, therefore it needn't fixing. To discourage is synonymous as to bully, you bully. |
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DomFortress wrote: What exactly were "violent" about a protest with no physical, mental, nor emotional harm done? Or are you just senselessly assume what you can't prove. How's that different than yourself pathologically lying like a psychopath would? And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion. #1: Lala doesn't know your standards for violence, but Lala considers threatening behavior violent on its own. #2: Lala thinks you're being really mean for personal reasons. #3: Lala has repeated herself many times. Lala was merely comparing homosexuality with pedophilia in response to someone's statement regarding natural desires. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: What exactly were "violent" about a protest with no physical, mental, nor emotional harm done? Or are you just senselessly assume what you can't prove. How's that different than yourself pathologically lying like a psychopath would? And this is about homosexuality, not paedophilia. You just made a red herring fallacy by yourself intentionally misleading the audiences with irrelevant comparison and incorrect suggestion. #1: Lala doesn't know your standards for violence, but Lala considers threatening behavior violent on its own. #2: Lala thinks you're being really mean for personal reasons. #3: Lala has repeated herself many times. Lala was merely comparing homosexuality with pedophilia in response to someone's statement regarding natural desires. And paedophilia isn't a natural desire when it's a mental disorder listed in DSM IV. Therefore you can't compare it to homosexuality which isn't a mental disorder. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public. Lala should crawl back to the neanderthal cave she came from and stay there. |
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Singing in the imaginary snow.
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility. Lala appreciates that you stopped the name-calling. But Lala still is not convinced. #1: That video did not prove that homosexuality is as common as heterosexuality. #2: Comparing animal behavior to justify human behavior is not okay. If Lala saw a lion attacking a person, Lala would try to save the person. #3: Lala would still like proof that homosexuality is made equally to heterosexuality by nature. My apologies for entering this conversation in the middle of the action, but I am quite interested in a person who doesn't want homosexuality to be accepted in society, but doesn't do this on a religious base. Now I have several questions of course, but I wont try to digress and thus ask the following questions or make the following statements. I'm afraid Lala, that the burden of proof does not lie on DomFortress, but it lies on you, because you state that the relations individuals have with eachother have a hiarchy, and thus some relations are better or worse than others. Now why should we not accept homosexuality? It happens in nature, and us humans are part of nature as well. You say that we should not compare humans to animals, and as an argument you use a lion attacking a person. Now I will try to show you that you are no different from that lion. You claim that you will try and help that person, but what if a lion saw on of it's pride members being attacked, for example by hyena's, there are videos (I don't have a link unfortunatly, but if you demand I shall search and probably find one) showing that the other lion will defend the member of it's pride. Now how about attacking, the lion might either attack out of defense or as hunt. The person might have threathend the habitat of the lion, or threatend cubs, or their food source. Humans are known to attack each other for many many reasons, and trying to protect their offspring ortheir livelyhood, and many other reasons. If the lion is hunting then it's not really ''attacking'' now is it? I'm not attacking chicken when I'm eating chicken. (I know it doesn't look like hunting, but it's our way of hunting in modern society) Now homosexuality most certainly doesn't occur as much as heterosexuality, but as DomFortress stated, quanity does not equal equality. There are many fetishes in the world, I for one am attracted to breast, other males are attracted to blonds or large butts. And some people like people from their same gender. When you say that homosexuality should not be accepted, then what sexual preference SHOULD be accepted? And why should we ask you as an authority on that field? Now the point you make about pedophelia is indeed a good one, however in pedophelia there is one factor that makes it ''immoral''. The partner is in most cases either hurt, or does not grasp the concept of what is going on, and thus their freedom of choice is being denied. Thus the reasons why pedophelia is bad and why we want it treated (even though I personally doubt it can), is because victims are usually hurt or their freedom of actions is being denied. This is not the case in homosexuality, or any other sexual fetish (except for rape, wich is also wrong). Now again, tell us why homosexuality should not be accepted, is immoral, unnatural or not equal. |
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Ohh and while your at it! Don't forget to live!
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Syndicaidramon wrote: LalaSatalin wrote: Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public. Lala should crawl back to the neanderthal cave she came from and stay there. Please Syndicaidramon, name calling isn't going to get you anywhere, isn't going to proove you're right, and most certainly will not show your higher morality. Please refrain from doing so. |
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Ohh and while your at it! Don't forget to live!
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Syndicaidramon wrote: LalaSatalin wrote: Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public. Lala should crawl back to the neanderthal cave she came from and stay there. Here, here! Lala is saying rude things and wondering why she's being called out for it. Because Lala is bullshitting everyone and tossing red herrings to try to make herself sound smart and well-informed. Don't hate Lala for her ignorance, hate her for her third-person speek. |
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Marionetta wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: LalaSatalin wrote: Gay marriage is not acceptable. That is ridiculous. To legalise gay marriage is to proclaim that being gay is okay! What will the future be where kids see gay couples and think it's normal! Lala thinks homosexuality should be kept secret from the public. Lala should crawl back to the neanderthal cave she came from and stay there. Here, here! Lala is saying rude things and wondering why she's being called out for it. Because Lala is bullshitting everyone and tossing red herrings to try to make herself sound smart and well-informed. Don't hate Lala for her ignorance, hate her for her third-person speek. Nice contribution you make to the debate there, you stay on topic, refrain from personal attacks and name calling. Since the debate isn't settled it's quite to early to call anyone ignorant or un-informed. Besides, if you find her rude, then do not stoop down to her level and show her a better way. |
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Ohh and while your at it! Don't forget to live!
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