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LalaSatalin wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: LalaSatalin Spoiler Alert! Click to show or hide wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: I'll post this again, since I was obviously too late the first time. "my ten year old nephew recently heard that I was gay and so he told me ‘I think I’m gay myself.’ I asked him how he knew that and he said ‘I always like to play with other boys and not girls.’ I laughed, but not at him." This shows that the kid only recently found out that his uncle was gay. So the uncle hadn't been preaching "gay propaganda" or anything like that to the kid before. And why did I tell you that story? To show that it was simply a matter of misunderstanding the concept of being gay. Misunderstanding that concept does not mean you will grow up be gay. Lala is asking what that is proving??? Not as much prove something as it DISPROVES something. And what it disproves is your attempt to twist the truth in order to support your case as you did here: LalaSatalin So you just proved Lala's point. Little boys start thinking they are homosexual. If the uncle encouraged his thought that he was homosexual then he would become homosexual. And it disproves this because: 1: The uncle did not encourage his thoughts that he was homosexual, as proven by the fact that the kid has just found out that his uncle was homosexual. and 2: The kid misunderstood the concept of being gay. He thought being gay meant having male friends. The kid's statement was not about who he was attracted to, but to who he liked having as friends. But you brought up that story before Lala said that. Are you telling Lala that you are a time traveler? The reason I brought up the story about the kid in the first place was to illustrate how liberal and accepting the general public was towards homosexuality, even back then. Which in turn proves that your hypothesis about "rampant homosexual epidemic" is false, because the scandinavian society has been accepting about homosexuality for an entire generation already without seeing any signs of such an "epidemic". |
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Syndicaidramon wrote: The reason I brought up the story about the kid in the first place was to illustrate how liberal and accepting the general public was towards homosexuality, even back then. Which in turn proves that your hypothesis about "rampant homosexual epidemic" is false, because the scandinavian society has been accepting about homosexuality for an entire generation already without seeing any signs of such an "epidemic". He related that being gay is not a secret for many Norwegians as he described how "my ten year old nephew recently heard that I was gay and so he told me ‘I think I’m gay myself.’ I asked him how he knew that and he said ‘I always like to play with other boys and not girls.’ I laughed, but not at him. I think I will wait some years before I take him to a gay bar!" The nephew seemed without shame or fear, according to his uncle, and actually cheerful about declaring his ‘special idea’. "Whether he is or not, is OK, but he knows he is free to say what he is thinking", confirmed Morten in an assured manner. Lala thinks that story is ridiculous. The uncle is going to take him to a gay bar in the future, that is obviously encouraging homosexuality. He's from a website called GlobalGayz so the attitude towards gays on the website is obviously supporting homosexuality. Especially if a little boy asks his homosexual uncle that he thinks he might be gay does not demonstrate your country's attitude towards homosexuals in general. It just proves that homosexuality is being encouraged to little children. |
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amersfoort wrote: CandyPopShop wrote: I have no opinion on this matter. Just putting this here to let people know that there are people who are neither for or against it. If it's approved worldwide, then good for the world. If it's not, I'm sure people will try and make it happen, so yeah. I have a view that gay people are actually quite chummy and nice to be friends with. So they can't be bad people right? And I also have seen the religious view. There are those who will follow that religious view because of their faith and love for their god. Either views should be respected. Those who do not believe strongly or feel linked to a particular religion would not understand the passion that the religious feel so strongly for their beliefs. And the rules that they believe and strongly feel are set for them. Those who do believe they should marry and be given that right to, they do it because of the human feeling of empathy/pity/kindness and because they view it as not allowing gay people to have marriage as a moral issue. Now I find your position quite cowardly, it's like you're waiting for the winner and then you'll start cheering for him/her. You're implying that the amount of conviction that religious people have on this issue is an worthy argument to use against gay marriage, and that we should respect those. I shall do no such thing, and I encourge everyone to join me, just because religious people are hypersensitive on this issue doesn't mean I will point out the flaws in their beliefs and arguments, let alone respect them. And honestly, I do understand the passion that the religious feel so strongly, I too feel that passion, but in the opposite way, and I can back them up by actual arguments. To deny others freedom in any kind is just wrong, if gays want to marry, let them, it's not harming anyone at all. Thanks for criticising my idea. But if I'm a coward, be it. Live and let live. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: The reason I brought up the story about the kid in the first place was to illustrate how liberal and accepting the general public was towards homosexuality, even back then. Which in turn proves that your hypothesis about "rampant homosexual epidemic" is false, because the scandinavian society has been accepting about homosexuality for an entire generation already without seeing any signs of such an "epidemic". He related that being gay is not a secret for many Norwegians as he described how "my ten year old nephew recently heard that I was gay and so he told me ‘I think I’m gay myself.’ I asked him how he knew that and he said ‘I always like to play with other boys and not girls.’ I laughed, but not at him. I think I will wait some years before I take him to a gay bar!" The nephew seemed without shame or fear, according to his uncle, and actually cheerful about declaring his ‘special idea’. "Whether he is or not, is OK, but he knows he is free to say what he is thinking", confirmed Morten in an assured manner. Lala thinks that story is ridiculous. The uncle is going to take him to a gay bar in the future, that is obviously encouraging homosexuality. He's from a website called GlobalGayz so the attitude towards gays on the website is obviously supporting homosexuality. Especially if a little boy asks his homosexual uncle that he thinks he might be gay does not demonstrate your country's attitude towards homosexuals in general. It just proves that homosexuality is being encouraged to little children. If the kid is interested in being taken to a gay bar, then why shouldn't he? A gay bar is not some den of sin where people are making out and having sex in front of each other right in the open. And again, only if the kid is interested. It's not like he'd force the kid to go to a gay bar if he didn't want to. And by the time the kid CAN go to a gay bar, he will most likely already have dicided on wheather or not he is into that sort of thing. As far as I can tell, there is no indication that Morten has any relation to the website this article was posted from. More likely, he was a contact they had or someone they just met. "They" being the couple who wrote that article met on their journey to Norway. So most likely, Morten had little to no relationship with the website as a whole. Of course he is gay friendly, seeing as he is gay. But like stated earlier, the kid only just found out that the uncle was gay. Meaning the kid was unaware of his uncle's homosexuality up until that point. And despite being unaware of that, he still had an accepting attitude towards it. That is not a result of the uncle promoting homosexuality, but of an accepting attitude. Both from his parents, school, and society in general. So it does prove the general attitude towards homosexuality. And even if it doesn't, I myself as a member of the scandinavian society can vouch for it. And in fact, if homosexuality WAS being promoted, like you say, the kid would've been aware of the definition and meaning of being gay. But he didn't. He had a misunderstanding of it, which proves that he was not more than slightly exposed to the subject. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: The reason I brought up the story about the kid in the first place was to illustrate how liberal and accepting the general public was towards homosexuality, even back then. Which in turn proves that your hypothesis about "rampant homosexual epidemic" is false, because the scandinavian society has been accepting about homosexuality for an entire generation already without seeing any signs of such an "epidemic". He related that being gay is not a secret for many Norwegians as he described how "my ten year old nephew recently heard that I was gay and so he told me ‘I think I’m gay myself.’ I asked him how he knew that and he said ‘I always like to play with other boys and not girls.’ I laughed, but not at him. I think I will wait some years before I take him to a gay bar!" The nephew seemed without shame or fear, according to his uncle, and actually cheerful about declaring his ‘special idea’. "Whether he is or not, is OK, but he knows he is free to say what he is thinking", confirmed Morten in an assured manner. Lala thinks that story is ridiculous. The uncle is going to take him to a gay bar in the future, that is obviously encouraging homosexuality. He's from a website called GlobalGayz so the attitude towards gays on the website is obviously supporting homosexuality. Especially if a little boy asks his homosexual uncle that he thinks he might be gay does not demonstrate your country's attitude towards homosexuals in general. It just proves that homosexuality is being encouraged to little children. National Geographic explains the biology of homosexuality NatGeo explains how one's sexual orientation is determined during embryonic development. They look at how it is possible for one identical twin to be gay and the other to be straight. They address a new branch of Genetics called, Epigenetics. This area of Genetics explores and explains how one's DNA sequence is NOT the only factor in one's phenotypic (actual) outcome. This episode explains how both twins could have the gene for a disorder, yet only one twin actually has the disorder. The same science explains sexual orientation differences in twins. The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine Dr. Louann Brizendine, author of The Male Brain, outlines the preliminary scientific results measuring the differences between the straight male brain and the gay male brain. She says that having "same-sex attraction" is "not some kind of a moral decision," but rather involves brain circuitry, genes, and hormones. |
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Syndicaidramon wrote: If the kid is interested in being taken to a gay bar, then why shouldn't he? A gay bar is not some den of sin where people are making out and having sex in front of each other right in the open. And again, only if the kid is interested. It's not like he'd force the kid to go to a gay bar if he didn't want to. And by the time the kid CAN go to a gay bar, he will most likely already have dicided on wheather or not he is into that sort of thing. As far as I can tell, there is no indication that Morten has any relation to the website this article was posted from. More likely, he was a contact they had or someone they just met. "They" being the couple who wrote that article met on their journey to Norway. So most likely, Morten had little to no relationship with the website as a whole. Of course he is gay friendly, seeing as he is gay. But like stated earlier, the kid only just found out that the uncle was gay. Meaning the kid was unaware of his uncle's homosexuality up until that point. And despite being unaware of that, he still had an accepting attitude towards it. That is not a result of his uncle's homosexual promotion, but of acceptance. Both from his parents, school, and society in general. So it does prove the general attitude towards homosexuality. And even if it doesn't, I myself as a member of the scandinavian society can vouch for it. And in fact, if homosexuality WAS being promoted, like you say, the kid would've been aware of the definition and meaning of being gay. But he didn't. He had a misunderstanding of it, which proves that he was not more than slightly exposed to the subject. Lala thinks that does not prove anything. #1: It could have been a coincidence #2: His parents could have easily hinted that his uncle was gay #3: His uncle could be making it up #4: His uncle could have forgot that he told the child that he was gay #5: The child does not represent the entire community #6: Children usually don't even understand the concept of sex #7: If the boy didn't even know what homosexual sex was then the whole story is irrelevant |
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DomFortress wrote: ou didn't provide scientific proof on how nurturing, as in education and socialization, can trigger certain hormonal changes on an individual's RNA level, thus express homosexual orientation on said individual's DNA level through epicgenetics. All you really have is baseless paranoia.that makes no scientific sense. National Geographic explains the biology of homosexuality NatGeo explains how one's sexual orientation is determined during embryonic development. They look at how it is possible for one identical twin to be gay and the other to be straight. They address a new branch of Genetics called, Epigenetics. This area of Genetics explores and explains how one's DNA sequence is NOT the only factor in one's phenotypic (actual) outcome. This episode explains how both twins could have the gene for a disorder, yet only one twin actually has the disorder. The same science explains sexual orientation differences in twins. The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine Dr. Louann Brizendine, author of The Male Brain, outlines the preliminary scientific results measuring the differences between the straight male brain and the gay male brain. She says that having "same-sex attraction" is "not some kind of a moral decision," but rather involves brain circuitry, genes, and hormones. #1: Lala knows you are spamming. #2: Prisoner behavior is evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: If the kid is interested in being taken to a gay bar, then why shouldn't he? A gay bar is not some den of sin where people are making out and having sex in front of each other right in the open. And again, only if the kid is interested. It's not like he'd force the kid to go to a gay bar if he didn't want to. And by the time the kid CAN go to a gay bar, he will most likely already have dicided on wheather or not he is into that sort of thing. As far as I can tell, there is no indication that Morten has any relation to the website this article was posted from. More likely, he was a contact they had or someone they just met. "They" being the couple who wrote that article met on their journey to Norway. So most likely, Morten had little to no relationship with the website as a whole. Of course he is gay friendly, seeing as he is gay. But like stated earlier, the kid only just found out that the uncle was gay. Meaning the kid was unaware of his uncle's homosexuality up until that point. And despite being unaware of that, he still had an accepting attitude towards it. That is not a result of his uncle's homosexual promotion, but of acceptance. Both from his parents, school, and society in general. So it does prove the general attitude towards homosexuality. And even if it doesn't, I myself as a member of the scandinavian society can vouch for it. And in fact, if homosexuality WAS being promoted, like you say, the kid would've been aware of the definition and meaning of being gay. But he didn't. He had a misunderstanding of it, which proves that he was not more than slightly exposed to the subject. Lala thinks that does not prove anything. #1: It could have been a coincidence #2: His parents could have easily hinted that his uncle was gay #3: His uncle could be making it up #4: His uncle could have forgot that he told the child that he was gay #5: The child does not represent the entire community #6: Children usually don't even understand the concept of sex #7: If the boy didn't even know what homosexual sex was then the whole story is irrelevant #1: What exactly? #2: I fail to see how that is "promoting" homosexuality. By that logic, everything short of disencouragement is promoting. #3: Why would he? Unless you can come up with a motive for why he would make up a funny story about a family member, saying such a thing is nothing more than wild, desperate assumptions. If there is no reason to belive he had a reason to do it, he most likely didn't. #4: Not likely. Even if homosexuality is accepted in Norway, it is by no means as common as heterosexuality. And if he was able to express with certainty that the kid had just recently found out that he was gay, it probably means that the kid had asked him to confirm it. Like "is it true that you are gay"? or something along those lines. This is yet another desperate "could be" assumption. #5: No, but he is an example of how the general attitude affects children. And again, I can vouch for this myself. #6: No, but they do understand the concept of attraction and love. To some degree anyway. And that means that if homosexuality was promoted, the kid would understand that being gay means being attracted to and/or loving members of their own gender, not just having friends of the same gender, like he thought. #7: No, because being gay involves and encompass much more than just sexual acts. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: You didn't provide scientific proof on how nurturing, as in education and socialization, can trigger certain hormonal changes on an individual's RNA level, thus express homosexual orientation on said individual's DNA level through epicgenetics. All you really have is baseless paranoia.that makes no scientific sense. National Geographic explains the biology of homosexuality NatGeo explains how one's sexual orientation is determined during embryonic development. They look at how it is possible for one identical twin to be gay and the other to be straight. They address a new branch of Genetics called, Epigenetics. This area of Genetics explores and explains how one's DNA sequence is NOT the only factor in one's phenotypic (actual) outcome. This episode explains how both twins could have the gene for a disorder, yet only one twin actually has the disorder. The same science explains sexual orientation differences in twins. The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine Dr. Louann Brizendine, author of The Male Brain, outlines the preliminary scientific results measuring the differences between the straight male brain and the gay male brain. She says that having "same-sex attraction" is "not some kind of a moral decision," but rather involves brain circuitry, genes, and hormones. #1: Lala knows you are spamming. #2: Prisoner behavior is evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. Stanford Prison Experiment (Documentary) In 1971, the psychologist Philip Zimbardo tried to show that prison guards and convicts would tend to slip into predefined roles, behaving in a way that they thought was required, rather than using their own judgment and morals. Zimbardo was trying to show what happened when all of the individuality and dignity was stripped away from a human, and their life was completely controlled. He wanted to show the dehumanization and loosening of social and moral values that can happen to guards immersed in such a situation. Like a real life ‘Lord of the Flies’, it showed a degeneration and breakdown of the established rules and morals dictating exactly how people should behave towards each other. The study created more new questions than it answered, about the amorality and darkness that inhabits the human psyche. As a purely scientific venture, the experiment was a failure, but it generated some results that give an insight into human psychology and social behavior. The ethical implications of this study are still discussed in college and undergraduate psychology classes all across the world. In the days of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo abuses, the Stanford Prison Experiment is once again becoming relevant, showing that systematic abuse and denial of human rights is never far away in any prison facility. Toilet facilities became a privilege, instead of a basic human right, with access to the bathroom being frequently denied; the inmates often had to clean the toilet facilities with their bare hands. Prisoners were often stripped and subjected to sexual humiliation, as a weapon of intimidation. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: #2: Prisoner behavior is evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. No prisoner behaviour is evidence that some hetereosexual men see sex only in terms of power and are quite willing to rape another man if it makes them feel good about themselves. |
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papagolfwhiskey wrote: LalaSatalin wrote: #2: Prisoner behavior is evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. No prisoner behaviour is evidence that some hetereosexual men see sex only in terms of power and are quite willing to rape another man if it makes them feel good about themselves. Sexual Abuse by Prison and Jail Staff Proves Persistent, Pandemic by Gary Hunter Due to the nature of prisons as “total institutions,” it is impossible for prisoners to voluntarily consent to sexual advances by staff members who exert complete control over their lives – and in some cases over their release from prison. Past issues of PLN have pushed this significant problem to the forefront. We would like to report that exposure of this issue has eased the problem. It hasn’t. We would like to say our continued coverage on this subject has deterred sexual abuse by prison staff. It didn’t. Prison and jail employees are more out of control than ever. From state to state, north to south, east to west, sexual misconduct by guards and other staff members continues to weave its way through the fabric of our nation’s prisons. A common thread of rape, debauchery and even sexual torture is present in detention facilities nationwide. |
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DomFortress wrote: Wrong, when The Stanford Prison Experiment only showed how homosexual activity was used by decent US citizens, as one of several methods to further dehumanize and torture individuals. Stanford Prison Experiment (Documentary) In 1971, the psychologist Philip Zimbardo tried to show that prison guards and convicts would tend to slip into predefined roles, behaving in a way that they thought was required, rather than using their own judgment and morals. Zimbardo was trying to show what happened when all of the individuality and dignity was stripped away from a human, and their life was completely controlled. He wanted to show the dehumanization and loosening of social and moral values that can happen to guards immersed in such a situation. Like a real life ‘Lord of the Flies’, it showed a degeneration and breakdown of the established rules and morals dictating exactly how people should behave towards each other. The study created more new questions than it answered, about the amorality and darkness that inhabits the human psyche. As a purely scientific venture, the experiment was a failure, but it generated some results that give an insight into human psychology and social behavior. The ethical implications of this study are still discussed in college and undergraduate psychology classes all across the world. In the days of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo abuses, the Stanford Prison Experiment is once again becoming relevant, showing that systematic abuse and denial of human rights is never far away in any prison facility. Toilet facilities became a privilege, instead of a basic human right, with access to the bathroom being frequently denied; the inmates often had to clean the toilet facilities with their bare hands. Prisoners were often stripped and subjected to sexual humiliation, as a weapon of intimidation. #1: You are so wrong. Prisoner behavior is EMPIRICAL evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. Lala knows that you are aware of this. Lala just wonders why you are trying so hard. #2: Everyone has a predisposition to bisexuality according to Sigmund Freud. Innate bisexuality (or predisposition to bisexuality) is a term introduced by Sigmund Freud (based on work by his associate Wilhelm Fliess), that expounds all humans are born bisexual but through psychological development (which includes both external and internal factors) become monosexual while the bisexuality remains in a latent state. #3: Lala knows that you are just spamming. EDIT Lala looked back at the start of this conversation. Lala remembered that you said people who refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, have no self-respect towards sensibility. Can Lala call you a bigot now? For calling Lala a bigot? DomFortress wrote: Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility. papagolfwhiskey wrote: No prisoner behaviour is evidence that some hetereosexual men see sex only in terms of power and are quite willing to rape another man if it makes them feel good about themselves. |
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Syndicaidramon wrote: #1: What exactly? #2: I fail to see how that is "promoting" homosexuality. By that logic, everything short of disencouragement is promoting. #3: Why would he? Unless you can come up with a motive for why he would make up a funny story about a family member, saying such a thing is nothing more than wild, desperate assumptions. If there is no reason to belive he had a reason to do it, he most likely didn't. #4: Not likely. Even if homosexuality is accepted in Norway, it is by no means as common as heterosexuality. And if he was able to express with certainty that the kid had just recently found out that he was gay, it probably means that the kid had asked him to confirm it. Like "is it true that you are gay"? or something along those lines. This is yet another desperate "could be" assumption. #5: No, but he is an example of how the general attitude affects children. And again, I can vouch for this myself. #6: No, but they do understand the concept of attraction and love. To some degree anyway. And that means that if homosexuality was promoted, the kid would understand that being gay means being attracted to and/or loving members of their own gender, not just having friends of the same gender, like he thought. #7: No, because being gay involves and encompass much more than just sexual acts. #1: The whole thing. #2: Lala is talking about the child's knowledge of the uncle's homosexuality. #3: The uncle could not even exist. Maybe the website made up the whole story. #4: Yet the uncle is encouraging homosexuality. #5: No it does not. One made up story does not apply to the entire community. #6: The child said he thinks being gay is playing with boys. #7: Lala was saying that the boy does not even know what gay means. |
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LalaSatalin wrote: DomFortress wrote: Wrong, when The Stanford Prison Experiment only showed how homosexual activity was used by decent US citizens, as one of several methods to further dehumanize and torture individuals. Stanford Prison Experiment (Documentary) In 1971, the psychologist Philip Zimbardo tried to show that prison guards and convicts would tend to slip into predefined roles, behaving in a way that they thought was required, rather than using their own judgment and morals. Zimbardo was trying to show what happened when all of the individuality and dignity was stripped away from a human, and their life was completely controlled. He wanted to show the dehumanization and loosening of social and moral values that can happen to guards immersed in such a situation. Like a real life ‘Lord of the Flies’, it showed a degeneration and breakdown of the established rules and morals dictating exactly how people should behave towards each other. The study created more new questions than it answered, about the amorality and darkness that inhabits the human psyche. As a purely scientific venture, the experiment was a failure, but it generated some results that give an insight into human psychology and social behavior. The ethical implications of this study are still discussed in college and undergraduate psychology classes all across the world. In the days of the Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo abuses, the Stanford Prison Experiment is once again becoming relevant, showing that systematic abuse and denial of human rights is never far away in any prison facility. Toilet facilities became a privilege, instead of a basic human right, with access to the bathroom being frequently denied; the inmates often had to clean the toilet facilities with their bare hands. Prisoners were often stripped and subjected to sexual humiliation, as a weapon of intimidation. #1: You are so wrong. Prisoner behavior is EMPIRICAL evidence that everyone has the potential to be homosexual. Lala knows that you are aware of this. Lala just wonders why you are trying so hard. #2: Everyone has a predisposition to bisexuality according to Sigmund Freud. Innate bisexuality (or predisposition to bisexuality) is a term introduced by Sigmund Freud (based on work by his associate Wilhelm Fliess), that expounds all humans are born bisexual but through psychological development (which includes both external and internal factors) become monosexual while the bisexuality remains in a latent state. #3: Lala knows that you are just spamming. EDIT Lala looked back at the start of this conversation. Lala remembered that you said people who refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, have no self-respect towards sensibility. Can Lala call you a bigot now? For calling Lala a bigot? DomFortress wrote: Just because you don't bother to look, doesn't mean that homosexuality in nature(that's a hyperlink if you didn't notice by now) would go away. And if you still refuse empirical evidences observable by your own sense, you've no self-respect towards sensibility. National Geographic explains the biology of homosexuality NatGeo explains how one's sexual orientation is determined during embryonic development. They look at how it is possible for one identical twin to be gay and the other to be straight. They address a new branch of Genetics called, Epigenetics. This area of Genetics explores and explains how one's DNA sequence is NOT the only factor in one's phenotypic (actual) outcome. This episode explains how both twins could have the gene for a disorder, yet only one twin actually has the disorder. The same science explains sexual orientation differences in twins. The 'Gay Brain' Explained - Louann Brizendine Dr. Louann Brizendine, author of The Male Brain, outlines the preliminary scientific results measuring the differences between the straight male brain and the gay male brain. She says that having "same-sex attraction" is "not some kind of a moral decision," but rather involves brain circuitry, genes, and hormones. Furthermore, Sigmund Freud and his associate Wilhelm Fliess were wrong with their hypothesis/assumption on how humans' "innate bisexuality" was psychologically made either heterosexuals or homosexuals. When the process was later on discovered to be hormonal in nature before birth and during children and youths' neural biological brain development, not psychological. This was because during Freud's time, evolutionary biology and genetic sequencing didn't even exist. The fact that your own Wikipedia source, which you copied/pasted words from words but without yourself citing the actual source itself for transparency and accountability(a lack of scientific ethics), had mentioned here that modern "innate bisexuality" is now based on the 1948 "Kinsey Reports" by Alfred Kinsey. This means that your argument shares the same weakness as Kinsey's rather biased sample group. Academic criticisms were made pertaining to sample selection and sample bias in the reports' methodology. Two main problems cited were that significant portions of the samples come from prison populations and male prostitutes, and that people who volunteer to be interviewed about taboo subject are likely to suffer from the problem of self-selection. Both undermine the usefulness of the sample in terms of determining the tendencies of the overall population. In 1948, the same year as the original publication, a committee of the American Statistical Association, including notable statisticians such as John Tukey, condemned the sampling procedure. Tukey was perhaps the most vocal critic, saying, "A random selection of three people would have been better than a group of 300 chosen by Mr. Kinsey." Criticism principally revolved around the over-representation of some groups in the sample: 25% were, or had been, prison inmates, and 5% were male prostitutes. Psychologist Abraham Maslow asserted that Kinsey did not consider "volunteer bias". The data represented only those volunteering to participate in discussion of taboo topics. Most Americans were reluctant to discuss the intimate details of their sex lives even with their spouses and close friends. Before the publication of Kinsey's reports, Maslow tested Kinsey's volunteers for bias. He concluded that Kinsey's sample was unrepresentative of the general population.(citation) Finally, you also didn't consider how sexual behaviors in prisons now is just sexual battery conducted by figures of absolute authority. Sexual Abuse by Prison and Jail Staff Proves Persistent, Pandemic by Gary Hunter Due to the nature of prisons as “total institutions,” it is impossible for prisoners to voluntarily consent to sexual advances by staff members who exert complete control over their lives – and in some cases over their release from prison. Past issues of PLN have pushed this significant problem to the forefront. We would like to report that exposure of this issue has eased the problem. It hasn’t. We would like to say our continued coverage on this subject has deterred sexual abuse by prison staff. It didn’t. Prison and jail employees are more out of control than ever. From state to state, north to south, east to west, sexual misconduct by guards and other staff members continues to weave its way through the fabric of our nation’s prisons. A common thread of rape, debauchery and even sexual torture is present in detention facilities nationwide. So not only that you're a bigot, you're also rather sloppy for a researcher and critical thinker, who let her irrational fear of homophobia ran out of control. When you're needlessly worrying that legalizing gay marriage might somehow psychologically "encourage" more people into homosexual orientation, without yourself presenting any empirical epicgenetics finding, on how mere thinking can cause hormonal and neural biological changes that dictate human sexual orientation. While you completely ignored how almost half a century ago, the same society that you based your "prisoner behavior" argument from, was abusing the power of the legal institution, to legally punish, imprison, torture, if not down right murder anyone who wasn't a heterosexual for more than 180 years. In 1778 Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy, however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.(citation) |
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LalaSatalin wrote: Syndicaidramon wrote: #1: What exactly? #2: I fail to see how that is "promoting" homosexuality. By that logic, everything short of disencouragement is promoting. #3: Why would he? Unless you can come up with a motive for why he would make up a funny story about a family member, saying such a thing is nothing more than wild, desperate assumptions. If there is no reason to belive he had a reason to do it, he most likely didn't. #4: Not likely. Even if homosexuality is accepted in Norway, it is by no means as common as heterosexuality. And if he was able to express with certainty that the kid had just recently found out that he was gay, it probably means that the kid had asked him to confirm it. Like "is it true that you are gay"? or something along those lines. This is yet another desperate "could be" assumption. #5: No, but he is an example of how the general attitude affects children. And again, I can vouch for this myself. #6: No, but they do understand the concept of attraction and love. To some degree anyway. And that means that if homosexuality was promoted, the kid would understand that being gay means being attracted to and/or loving members of their own gender, not just having friends of the same gender, like he thought. #7: No, because being gay involves and encompass much more than just sexual acts. #1: The whole thing. #2: Lala is talking about the child's knowledge of the uncle's homosexuality. #3: The uncle could not even exist. Maybe the website made up the whole story. #4: Yet the uncle is encouraging homosexuality. #5: No it does not. One made up story does not apply to the entire community. #6: The child said he thinks being gay is playing with boys. #7: Lala was saying that the boy does not even know what gay means. #1: Please be more specific. #2: Yes. And how is hinting at the uncle's homosexuality = promoting homosexuality? #3: Why would they make it up? Again, don't throw things out there unless you can provide some sort of reasonable motive for it. #4: How? The nephew had just recently found out that the uncle was homosexual, and the only indication we have to the uncle encouraging homosexuality at a later point is that he says he will take the kid to a gay bar if he is interested. #5: You can not say that the story about the kid is made up and then run with it as if it was the truth if you have nothing to back it up with. That only shows how desperate you are. And AGAIN - I can vouch for this. I know what the general attitude towards homosexuality is in Norway, and it fits perfectly. There is nothing peculiar or out of place with the story about the kid. #6: Exactly, which proves that there was no such thing as "promoting of being gay". Because if there was, the kid would know what being gay was really about. #7: See above. |
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