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90% of Atheists/Agnostics are idiot posers
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I actually didn't become agnostic until I took a philosophy course. After that, I started really questioning my Christianity and wondering why I was a Christian. When I was around six, my cousin scared me into thinking that you couldn't go to heaven unless you were a Christian and that was good enough for me. I prayed to God and went to church. So years later, my professor tried to make us think about philosophy of religion and something struck me. I shouldn't believe what everyone else says (yeah, it came pretty late). For all I know, there could be no heaven or hell. There could be no God as well. All these years were wasted worshiping something out of fear. I decided to stop, because at this point, who am I fooling? Not myself. And if God exists then I am not fooling him either (given the premise that he is omniscient).

Might sound silly, but a lot of kids are told by elders that the only way to get into heaven is to worship God. They believe it until they reach an age where they are able to think for themselves. I don't necessarily believe that all kids are becoming atheist or agnostic just because it is cool, but I admit that there are some kids do abandon religion to follow the crowd. I think a lot of teens are just abandoning their religion because they are starting to question life, wondering why their life is the way it is and questioning God's existence.
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A lot are posers, they want to feel cool because they go against their parents (who are usually religious) and they want to do whatever they want thinking they are perfectly justified as long as it is in their opinion, not harming someone else and ok by their standards. It is true that a lot of kids follow atheist and agnosticism because it's "cool."

Their beliefs are usually really week, and they constantly quote old dead philosophers who made some illogical comment, but it was witty and at the time makes them feel smart because the guys name is Socrates or some other well known philosopher. They constantly argue how angry they are at God. But as YouAreDumb said, you can't be angry at something that you believe doesn't exist. so a lot of the poser atheists are hypocrites and just like cracking down on religious people with the whole "religion is controlling, religion is a crutch, religion causes wars..." the basic garbage that runs through their minds. Yet they ignore anything good that has come from any religion, and they ignore the fact that they are intolerant of others beliefs, yet demand that others tolerate theirs and never ever use their religious beliefs in any moral decision making. A lot of the posers love feeling victimized "when I was 10, a Jehova's witness came to my house and tried to convert my mom! Such a tragedy I know >_> Yet they constantly want to impose their "fact" that there is no god to people constantly. A lot of the posers think they are soooo intellectual, yet any valid argument you use against them, they divert to the crusades or some local nut claiming to kill in the name of God. And in the end it turns into a "I hate God and here is why.... But He doesn't exist." A lot are just mad at life and use atheism as a crutch. They lean to false hopes and flawed logic that sounds witty and cool. They use atheism as an excuse to do whatever they want and to justify things that make sense in their own feeble minds, but truly are wrong. Another thing I don't understand about poser atheists, is if they are soooo tolerant of beliefs, how come it's ok for a Muslim to pray in school but it isn't for a Christian? How come it is ok to take God's name in vain? I mean if you are an atheist, why would you constantly say omg or Jesus in vain? If someone is a true atheist, they would not let those comments enter out of their mouth. Most atheists just join the bandwagon as a way to hate on religion, hate on religious people, and demand special double standards in their favor that they seem as "politically correct." This is a weak belief system, and is more of a crutch than any religion.

Hardcore atheists truly respect others beliefs and acknowledge that they practice them. True atheists wouldn't be offended by prayer or religious symbols. Why would someone be offended by something they view as having no meaning or truth? A true atheist wouldn't try and indoctrinate people or act rude because they think they are right. They would try and live at peace with others and not mind what others believe or practice as long as it isn't law breaking (like some murder cult) or as long as the religions aren't violent to nonbelievers and try and shove it down their throats. A true atheist would hold to the "fact" that they believe there is no higher power or afterlife, and would not be phased by any religion. If they truly hold to that belief, it shouldn't matter what someone else believes. Because in their mine, in the end, good, bad, poor, rich, religious, or atheist, everyone winds up dead and alifeless rotting corpse that ceases all existence and function.



interesting i have never thought about that before.

thanks for posting this


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lol that guy named some famous ppl who r athiest or w/e, lol nice use of wikipedia! jp
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I'm an atheist because i can't believe in something that cannot be proven. If there was a way to prove that God existed, then I would believe in him. However, to me, the bible is a piece of fiction and it alone cannot convince me of a higher power. I respect religious people because I know how hard it is to put (and keep) your faith into something. I've tried multiple times to become religious, and I can't. However, when religious people push their beliefs on me I take that as disrespect and I get pissed off. I have no problem discussing religion, and do it often with a couple of my Christian friends, and even though they are strong in their beliefs and I am strong in mine we can continue to be good friends because we have respect for one another. Hell, my best friend is Jewish. I'm pretty sure I fall beneath the 10% that aren't posers.

I do agree with you, though, that a lot of people are becoming atheist/agnostic because it's "trendy". I've seen a lot of kids at my school who grew up very involved in the church, but are now rebelling and casting God aside because they didn't get a car for the 16th birthday, or because they couldn't go down to Cancun for spring break. Honestly, I know people who have put an entire life of devotion behind them over shallow, material things such as that. And on the whole rebelling against religious parents issue, I've seen that a lot of this comes down to the parents sheltering/controlling their kids too much. Now that teens are becoming more free-thinking and independent, many will rebel whether their parents are religious or not. My mother isn't religious, but I've still rebelling because she's too controlling. I think that is the root of that issue, as opposed to religion.
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EDIT: Whole post. I came to a realization of how fallacious your first post is.

I'm an Agnostic and have been one for a very long time; it's not because I don't believe in a god, but for the reason of proving the existence or non-existence of a god is beyond human knowledge or capability. And basically, I don't agree with most of your points except for the 'they hate god' (how can you hate something that you believe to not exist?) part. There's no written rule that Atheists or Agnostics must be intelligent or are knowledgeable of philosophical ideas. It's not a requirement nor will it ever be one. Atheism and Agnosticism is a choice made by one's free will and own set of beliefs. Why do you have to say that they are idiot posers? Who are you to deem them that? People express their beliefs in different ways, so, what is idiotic to you might not be idiotic to them. There is no ONE ideology that Atheists or Agnostics conform to. Who cares if they are giving us a bad name? If Atheists and Agnostics are truly a group of intellectuals like what you suggest it to be, then why are you (or anyone who agrees with you) wasting your time pondering over hebetudinous individuals who gives Atheism or Agnosticism a bad name? What if they just don't believe in a god? Do they need an elaborate justification as to why they do? Let them believe what they want to believe. Let them carry out their own beliefs as to what true Atheism or Agnosticism is. Do they really need to know who Bertrand Russel, Karl Marx, Strato, Hobbes and et cetera are?

I must point this out: Almost everything that humans are a part of is because it became a trend. Religions are a trend, how do you think they have so many believers?

There are different levels of Atheism and Agnosticism, have you ever thought that maybe those "idiot(ic) posers" as you so dutifully pointed out, fall under those of mild Atheists/Agnostics?
Let them be posers. Let them pretend. What do we Atheists and Agnostics have to lose? Absolutely nothing.

I personally don't care if they do all those as you've mentioned from your first post, my stand in being an Agnostic shall remain the same, and that's all that matters to me. I don't want to waste my efforts fussing over trivial matters such as these "posers." What would I gain by pointing out there misconceptions of Atheism and Agnosticism? Again, absolutely nothing.
Do we have to constantly prove to them that we are better? That they are fake? That they are utterly stupid? No. No. And no.

Posted 5/7/08
lol.. being atheist is trendy? First time I heard that. I still don't understand the poser part. I thought the only requirement of being a atheist is not believing in god, religion, higher power, etc. So those "posers", are closet religious people then? haha, weirdos!


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Yea, there are some stupid atheists out there, but even the non-stupid ones can act like religious zealots. Dawkins tells you in the beginning of his book that if he's successful that you'll be an atheist by the time you're done reading his book. From what I can tell he also fails to address any religion other than Christianity and Islam. It's like he has more of a problem with hating these religions than religion in general.
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Hardcore atheists truly respect others beliefs and acknowledge that they practice them. True atheists wouldn't be offended by prayer or religious symbols. Why would someone be offended by something they view as having no meaning or truth? A true atheist wouldn't try and indoctrinate people or act rude because they think they are right. They would try and live at peace with others and not mind what others believe or practice as long as it isn't law breaking (like some murder cult) or as long as the religions aren't violent to nonbelievers and try and shove it down their throats. A true atheist would hold to the "fact" that they believe there is no higher power or afterlife, and would not be phased by any religion. If they truly hold to that belief, it shouldn't matter what someone else believes. Because in their mine, in the end, good, bad, poor, rich, religious, or atheist, everyone winds up dead and alifeless rotting corpse that ceases all existence and function.


Why must hardcore atheists be the only ones who truly respect other beliefs and acknowledge that others practice them? This thread is proof that Christians do not respect atheist beliefs. We don't believe that God exists - yet Christians always travel across the world trying to spread their influence and beliefs onto others. When you guys do it, its called "teaching." If we debate against it, we are "arguing." When you guys believe that God exists, you "believe." While you accuse atheists as being "posers"? God is just as likely to exist as to not exist. You chose to believe that he exists, while atheists chose otherwise. This does not make us any less of a person, or any less intelligent.

While we believe that there is no such thing as an afterlife, we do not view death in such a cynical way as "winding up as a rotting corpse." It's simply the end of life - and that's all there is to it. Life is temporary, and you must make the most of what you have.

You argue that atheists are wrong - well guess what, we think the same way. However, in this thread, you aren't giving atheists the same respect that you demand from them.
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Yea, there are some stupid atheists out there, but even the non-stupid ones can act like religious zealots. Dawkins tells you in the beginning of his book that if he's successful that you'll be an atheist by the time you're done reading his book. From what I can tell he also fails to address any religion other than Christianity and Islam. It's like he has more of a problem with hating these religions than religion in general.


I will be the first to point out Dawkins work is not the best work out there on atheism; he tends to be a bit polemical. With that said his focus on these religions makes sense given the people who will usually read his book are either Americans, or Europeans. Those are just the religions people in those places are familiar with.
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digs wrote:
Hardcore atheists truly respect others beliefs and acknowledge that they practice them. True atheists wouldn't be offended by prayer or religious symbols. Why would someone be offended by something they view as having no meaning or truth? A true atheist wouldn't try and indoctrinate people or act rude because they think they are right. They would try and live at peace with others and not mind what others believe or practice as long as it isn't law breaking (like some murder cult) or as long as the religions aren't violent to nonbelievers and try and shove it down their throats. A true atheist would hold to the "fact" that they believe there is no higher power or afterlife, and would not be phased by any religion. If they truly hold to that belief, it shouldn't matter what someone else believes. Because in their mine, in the end, good, bad, poor, rich, religious, or atheist, everyone winds up dead and alifeless rotting corpse that ceases all existence and function.


Why must hardcore atheists be the only ones who truly respect other beliefs and acknowledge that others practice them? This thread is proof that Christians do not respect atheist beliefs. We don't believe that God exists - yet Christians always travel across the world trying to spread their influence and beliefs onto others. When you guys do it, its called "teaching." If we debate against it, we are "arguing." When you guys believe that God exists, you "believe." While you accuse atheists as being "posers"? God is just as likely to exist as to not exist. You chose to believe that he exists, while atheists chose otherwise. This does not make us any less of a person, or any less intelligent.

While we believe that there is no such thing as an afterlife, we do not view death in such a cynical way as "winding up as a rotting corpse." It's simply the end of life - and that's all there is to it. Life is temporary, and you must make the most of what you have.

You argue that atheists are wrong - well guess what, we think the same way. However, in this thread, you aren't giving atheists the same respect that you demand from them.


Actually I know several atheists who do believe in an afterlife. Never assume anything about an atheist beyond lack of belief in god.
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Let me start by saying I am an agnostic. I have to say though that most people who are non religious are doing it to be part of the growing trend. They do not have real reasons for their stance any more than religious people do.


With neither a logical proof nor substantial evidence to suggest God's existence, the convenient thing about atheism is that one does not need a "good" reason to not believe.


Ways to tell if someone is a stupid poser:

1. They talk like they are intellectuals yet they have could not name any philosophers(religious or otherwise) to save their life.


I don't think the ability to name philosophers and recite quotes is necessary to intellectualism (a well-developed argument does not need a history), nor is it indicative of it (many "stupid posers" can memorize).


2.They hate religious people, and fail to realize this makes them just as stupid as the fundamentalists.


I don't see where hatred and stupidity meet, so I don't think that hating a group of people by virtue of a particular characteristic necessarily makes one stupid.


3. They are "mad" at god.Real atheists/agnostics are not mad at him, since they do not believe in him. When people say they do not believe for this reason they just an idiot.


I'll agree with you here, though I can't say I've ever heard someone say his reason for not believing in God is that he's mad at it.


4. They can be converted using something stupid, such as the ontological argument for god.


And converted right back through some other argument. Agreed.


5. They are rebelling against religious parents.


The unfortunate thing about rebellion is that it remains attached to that against which it rebels. If this is the only reason for being an atheist, it's sad; however, I'm personally not concerned about what gets a person to begin questioning as long as he does it.


There is a lot more, but you get the picture. These people are giving us a bad a name, and most stopped before they make everyone dismiss atheism/agnosticism.


Every group has people like this, and it always amuses me when people want to make lists of what it takes to be a "true" atheist/Christian/American/etc. I won't dismiss the harmful effects of these so-called posers, but I think the most sensible individuals will get around to genuine reflection even if such people give us a bad name.



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Actually I know several atheists who do believe in an afterlife. Never assume anything about an atheist beyond lack of belief in god.

Yes, true. Being a Buddhist I'm essentially an atheist in the sense of there being no omnipotent creator God, yet I believe in an afterlife.

You could say that I'm not atheist in that I believe that there exist beings other than humans, some of whom are more powerful (godlike or "gods" in some sense), that exist in some other state/realm/something, but I've never seen any of them, don't need to see any of them, and generally don't care about their activities. Whatever they are (should they turn out to be ideas, memes, something existing in some yet undiscovered media, or what) they are not omnipotent, omniscient, they didn't create the universe, and they aren't eternal (they eventually die like everyone and everything else). But I'm not sure you can honestly call that any sort of theism. After all, if some really powerful aliens come along then I doubt anyone is going to claim that acknowledging their existence constitutes some sort of theism.
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YouAreDumb wrote:

Let me start by saying I am an agnostic. I have to say though that most people who are non religious are doing it to be part of the growing trend. They do not have real reasons for their stance any more than religious people do.


With neither a logical proof nor substantial evidence to suggest God's existence, the convenient thing about atheism is that one does not need a "good" reason to not believe.


Ways to tell if someone is a stupid poser:

1. They talk like they are intellectuals yet they have could not name any philosophers(religious or otherwise) to save their life.


I don't think the ability to name philosophers and recite quotes is necessary to intellectualism (a well-developed argument does not need a history), nor is it indicative of it (many "stupid posers" can memorize).


2.They hate religious people, and fail to realize this makes them just as stupid as the fundamentalists.


I don't see where hatred and stupidity meet, so I don't think that hating a group of people by virtue of a particular characteristic necessarily makes one stupid.


3. They are "mad" at god.Real atheists/agnostics are not mad at him, since they do not believe in him. When people say they do not believe for this reason they just an idiot.


I'll agree with you here, though I can't say I've ever heard someone say his reason for not believing in God is that he's mad at it.


4. They can be converted using something stupid, such as the ontological argument for god.


And converted right back through some other argument. Agreed.


5. They are rebelling against religious parents.


The unfortunate thing about rebellion is that it remains attached to that against which it rebels. If this is the only reason for being an atheist, it's sad; however, I'm personally not concerned what gets a person to begin questioning as long as he does.


There is a lot more, but you get the picture. These people are giving us a bad a name, and most stopped before they make everyone dismiss atheism/agnosticism.


Every group has people like this, and it always amuses me when people want to make lists of what it takes to be a "true" atheist/Christian/American/etc. I won't dismiss the harmful effects of these so-called posers, but I think the most sensible individuals will get around to genuine reflection even if such people give us a bad name.





The issue with 1 was unclear in my OP. I am talking here about a group of people in my school who pretend to know a lot about philosophy-but don't. There is this one guy who goes around calling himself an empiricist, and has no idea who David Hume is for instance.

For 2 I have to also clarify. I mean hatred which has no rational basis. Such hatred does in my honest opinion make one stupid.
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YouAreDumb wrote:

The issue with 1 was unclear in my OP. I am talking here about a group of people in my school who pretend to know a lot about philosophy-but don't. There is this one guy who goes around calling himself an empiricist, and has no idea who David Hume is for instance.


Again, holding a certain philosophy should not require knowing its origins nor its most notable scholars. I'll just take your word that they pretend to know things they don't, though.


For 2 I have to also clarify. I mean hatred which has no rational basis. Such hatred does in my honest opinion make one stupid.


I guess this is a subjective matter, given how colloquial and rhetorical in meaning the term "stupid" has become. When referring to humans, I try to make it relate to levels of intelligence, so it would not be accurate in my system to call another person stupid simply because he feels an emotion (perhaps you mean hatred specifically, though I'm wary of potential inconsistency in regard to other "unfounded" feelings) that is not based on reason.
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i dont rlly dink atheism is a growing trend or wat people do to be "cool"(but it is) there still are many other religions out there that are growing. i am definitely NOT an idiotic poser..>.> (yes i read all the signs)
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