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The Beijing Olympics and its' turmoil
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1. Chinese Government sucks balls
2. Olympic Games suck evern harder
3. Any Surpression will end, either vilently or peacefull, but Chinese Government is everything else than peacefull

therefore: NUKE BEIJING
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I think it would be stupid to boycott the olympics based on political happenings. The chinese people are governed just like all the other countries are. I feel like it would be punishing (did I spell that right...?) the people of China to not have the olympics there.

And, as far as them being a communist country, if that's how they do it, then oh well.
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The Beijing Olympics was suppose to be of good intentions and many of the Chinese are looking forward to it. However, as most of you know, there has been great turmoil in the country, especially in Tibet, who protests about China's rule. Through historical facts, Tibet was taken over by China in the 1950s and was look down upon, since colonialization was over many years ago. Because of China's rules, the people in Tibet, especially the religious people were not allowed to worship freely. The Dalai Lama and other religious people were chased out of the country and were consistently blamed for wrong doings they had clearly not commit. When the Olympics were decided to be run in China, the Tibetan people decided to use this as a momentum to open the eyes of the world of the real China under its' mask. When the west started seeing the lack of human rights in the country, some westerners who were working on the Olympics were to uncomfortable working in the country and resigned fairly quickly. The Chinese government noticed the turmoil occuring and decides to shut down all internet connections dealing with free speech so that the people can stay naiive to the truth. And quite recently, there were debates whether the leaders such as the President of France, Prime Ministers of Britain and Canada and the President of the United States should attend the openning cermonies. The Protests and boycott rallies were gettingfrom bad to worse, and even the pm of Canada stated that if the boycotting rallies were getting stronger, then the country itself will not go to the Olympics altogether. But by doing this, athletes would not be able to participate in the event they were training their whole lives on. Also, if we boycott the Olympics, it may affect the relationships between the west and China. Lastly, by boycotting the Olympics, we would be stepping on the Chinese people's pride and may result very negatively in the futurem, especially in changing China's views such as human rights and a sense of democracy. So, what do you think?


tough the things that u said are true, those are only the bad views that are release from the western media. Tibet has been China before the 1900s, which it seceded from china during 1906. It was china that release and stopped slavery in tibet, which poor monks back then were slaves of big land owner...(one thing that china did to help human right). Every countries has its own human right history. Not long ago, whites in united states use to send them to death sentences and hang them right away for no reasons, wtf is this? How about the europeon enslaving the africans for 600 years? Wat about the random killing of ppl on different places killed by the europeans trying to colonize some land...Man, even talk about the mexicans trying to cross the borders..i mean the united states probably kill more mexican each year than china killing some tibetans in that protest and stuff...To tell the truth, United states isnt any where better either talking about the torture to terrorist...15 cops beating a criminal to the ground, and the strip search wtf is this...
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screw them, tibet's boycott won't diminish the numbers that will support the olympics in china
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You do realize that America is a tribulation to Imperialism.Capitalistic societies all pertain from who is making what?.Which confers to money.Thats what America is about.Corruptional ,scandlous, incredulous ,mindless behaviour.Look at the Health Insurance policies call a public out cry XD hundreds of thousands a year are dying because they cant afford Health insurance.They are also private hospitals in remote areas only accessable to rich allowing more people to suffer.I hate Capitalism and Americanism.The whole protrusion behind this is the Republicans inquiring in shady businesses and corruptional borrowing, and contractual agreements which prelude to congressmen getting paid millions a year to shut their trap.China is beyond fucked but America is no way better in some instances.Blitant Communism or Imperialistic corruption hmm both aren't very appealing.These two countries are the richest and world im scared.<_<.We also have societal proclammaties of of the ill-usage of social services allowing more people with mental illnesses, as well as people with learning or discrete disabilities to suffer.Unless its allianced with the Bush government who greatly pays to social reforities who align themselves with his beliefs.America is a Hoax.Democrats save the world from this operable destruction.


Of course America is also corrupt; and so is Spain, France, Australia, Britain, and many many other places. I absolutely agree with you except on the point about expecting Democrats to save any of us. The two party system is dead because the same people are buying out all politicians. Salvation will have to come from the people themselves, since the country has been separated into the elite and common. Marx was right but his solution is marred by the same corrupt people he envisions infecting capitalism.

btw, You mean America is a "tribute" to Imperialism right?
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Fushaz wrote:


You are one of those people who are brainwashed by the anti-Chinese.

Almost none of your points are true. Do some research before you start using them as points.


Okay. Since the only things I hear are from direct events and articles I'll list them out for you.

1.) Chinese imperialism and cruelty in Tibet, nearby islands, etc
--
There has been an uproar of protest for Tibet and this is original point of the topic, so I'm sure you've heard much about it. In the 1950s Mao invaded Tibet, hunted/kept from power the Dalai Lama, and created the Seventeen Point Agreement, which took away all the power of autonomy for the Tibetans and gave the Chinese government power to take and divide all Tibetan lands to "landlords" they appointed. Crackdowns on religious activities, protest against unfair land laws, cries for rights, etc have all ended the same way the Lhasa Uprising did, with a bloody symbol of Chinese authority (eg. senior lama, Pagbalha Soinam Gyamco being cut up and dragged by a horse for two days around the crowds)

Eyewitnesses by human right's groups, such as "Human Right's Watch," have snuck passed the "no foreigners" ban in Tibet recently. The monks proceeded with protest in the spirit of non-violence and instigators of violence between the armed forces came from plained clothes officials (secret police) hidden on both sides. Nicolas Bequelin, a Hong Kong based researcher on the Chinese judicial system and human rights, explains that the trials that take place usually end with "coerced confessions, as the result of torture," such as the case with the 16 monks arrested for terrorist bombings.

--
2.) Collaborating with shady real estate businesses and stealing the homes of countless villagers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/international/asia/17china.html 60 villagers protesting their home being taken away

3.) Collaboration with shady construction companies to create unsafe buildings. (This is boring and hard, as the contractors and names are in Sing Tao and I can't read Chinese text on my comp + it is indeed only conjecture at the moment in the wake of the earthquake school collapses.)

4.) Destroying freedom of speech in all its forms.
4a.) Jailing protesters for the simply saying one word on the street.

I can speak from family's personal experience that just speaking out to people on the street about thing's like the how the "cultural revolution is wrong" and "destroying historical artifacts is wrong" can lead people to 20 years in prison like my grandfather to his neighbors who had their tongues cut out and were made to kneel on broken glass.

4b.) Arresting bloggers.

eg. April 20, 2006: The arrest of Lhi Zi. Dec 30, 2007 The arrest of Hu Jia. 2005 Shi Tao

4c.) Trying to control the internet through restrictions, blocks, and arrests.
_
eg. "The Greatfirewall of China", banning wikipedia, banning youtube, banning viral video sites that have not been approved by the government, "blog police" reading people's blogs for "subversive material.", restricting access to Internet Cafes, etc
_
4d.) Targeting groups for merely potential threats (ie. capable of rallying support) even if they're just there. "I wanted to find the article on Christians and the North Western Chinese groups being unfairly targeted but it's hard to find right now with all the articles on the Earthquake and Olympics." = |
5.) Randomly arresting people for political purposes> Creating secret prisons > Falun Gong organ harvests.
5a.) Yes. They're arresting suspected Falun Gong members for no reason, sending them to jails in a kangaroo court, and executing them to sell their organs to rich western clients.

http://www.organharvestinvestigation.net/ Full comprehensive investigation and report confirming the allegations of taking organs from live Falun Gong members.

China is at the center of the Pacific routes to organ transplantation because it has adopted the tactic of harvesting the organs of executed prisoners. In 1984, immediately after cyclo-sporine became available, the government issued a document entitled "Rules Concerning the Utilization of Corpses or Organs from the Corpses of Executed Prisoners." Kept confidential, the new law provided that organs from executed prisoners could be used for transplants if the prisoner agreed, if the family agreed, or if no one came to claim the body. (Robin Munro of Human Rights Watch/Asia brought the law to light.) That the law lacks an ethical basis according to China's own values is apparent from its stipulations. "The use of corpses or organs of executed prisoners must be kept strictly secret," it stated, "and attention must be paid to avoiding negative repercussions." The cars used to retrieve organs from the execution grounds cannot bear health department insignia; the people involved in obtaining organs are not permitted to wear white uniforms. In my own interviews with Chinese transplant surgeons, none would admit to the practice; when I showed them copies of the law, they shrugged and said it was news to them.
~The International Organ Traffic* By David J. Rothman (Columbia University)

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6.) Literally attacking foreign countries, not with protestors, but with firebombs and kidnappings when groups hold programs to investigate China's human right's record.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-5-21/70866.html New York demonstrators attacked.
I'm trying to hunt down all the articles and quotes I remember seeing but back-tracking on the internet is a lot harder than I thought. Plus the post is exploding off the screen, so I'll just end with...


"Anti-Chinese government is not the same as anti-Chinese. Anti-Chinese is the yellow peril and foreigner racialization bull-shit that pervades in the Western media, anti-government is exposing corruption and in the spirit of social sciences fixing that corruption."
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Terrakinetic wrote:


Fushaz wrote:


You are one of those people who are brainwashed by the anti-Chinese.

Almost none of your points are true. Do some research before you start using them as points.


Okay. Since the only things I hear are from direct events and articles I'll list them out for you.

1.) Chinese imperialism and cruelty in Tibet, nearby islands, etc
--
There has been an uproar of protest for Tibet and this is original point of the topic, so I'm sure you've heard much about it. In the 1950s Mao invaded Tibet, hunted/kept from power the Dalai Lama, and created the Seventeen Point Agreement, which took away all the power of autonomy for the Tibetans and gave the Chinese government power to take and divide all Tibetan lands to "landlords" they appointed. Crackdowns on religious activities, protest against unfair land laws, cries for rights, etc have all ended the same way the Lhasa Uprising did, with a bloody symbol of Chinese authority (eg. senior lama, Pagbalha Soinam Gyamco being cut up and dragged by a horse for two days around the crowds)

Eyewitnesses by human right's groups, such as "Human Right's Watch," have snuck passed the "no foreigners" ban in Tibet recently. The monks proceeded with protest in the spirit of non-violence and instigators of violence between the armed forces came from plained clothes officials (secret police) hidden on both sides. Nicolas Bequelin, a Hong Kong based researcher on the Chinese judicial system and human rights, explains that the trials that take place usually end with "coerced confessions, as the result of torture," such as the case with the 16 monks arrested for terrorist bombings.

--
2.) Collaborating with shady real estate businesses and stealing the homes of countless villagers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/international/asia/17china.html 60 villagers protesting their home being taken away

3.) Collaboration with shady construction companies to create unsafe buildings. (This is boring and hard, as the contractors and names are in Sing Tao and I can't read Chinese text on my comp + it is indeed only conjecture at the moment in the wake of the earthquake school collapses.)

4.) Destroying freedom of speech in all its forms.
4a.) Jailing protesters for the simply saying one word on the street.

I can speak from family's personal experience that just speaking out to people on the street about thing's like the how the "cultural revolution is wrong" and "destroying historical artifacts is wrong" can lead people to 20 years in prison like my grandfather to his neighbors who had their tongues cut out and were made to kneel on broken glass.

4b.) Arresting bloggers.

eg. April 20, 2006: The arrest of Lhi Zi. Dec 30, 2007 The arrest of Hu Jia. 2005 Shi Tao

4c.) Trying to control the internet through restrictions, blocks, and arrests.
_
eg. "The Greatfirewall of China", banning wikipedia, banning youtube, banning viral video sites that have not been approved by the government, "blog police" reading people's blogs for "subversive material.", restricting access to Internet Cafes, etc
_
4d.) Targeting groups for merely potential threats (ie. capable of rallying support) even if they're just there. "I wanted to find the article on Christians and the North Western Chinese groups being unfairly targeted but it's hard to find right now with all the articles on the Earthquake and Olympics." = |
5.) Randomly arresting people for political purposes> Creating secret prisons > Falun Gong organ harvests.
5a.) Yes. They're arresting suspected Falun Gong members for no reason, sending them to jails in a kangaroo court, and executing them to sell their organs to rich western clients.

http://www.organharvestinvestigation.net/ Full comprehensive investigation and report confirming the allegations of taking organs from live Falun Gong members.

China is at the center of the Pacific routes to organ transplantation because it has adopted the tactic of harvesting the organs of executed prisoners. In 1984, immediately after cyclo-sporine became available, the government issued a document entitled "Rules Concerning the Utilization of Corpses or Organs from the Corpses of Executed Prisoners." Kept confidential, the new law provided that organs from executed prisoners could be used for transplants if the prisoner agreed, if the family agreed, or if no one came to claim the body. (Robin Munro of Human Rights Watch/Asia brought the law to light.) That the law lacks an ethical basis according to China's own values is apparent from its stipulations. "The use of corpses or organs of executed prisoners must be kept strictly secret," it stated, "and attention must be paid to avoiding negative repercussions." The cars used to retrieve organs from the execution grounds cannot bear health department insignia; the people involved in obtaining organs are not permitted to wear white uniforms. In my own interviews with Chinese transplant surgeons, none would admit to the practice; when I showed them copies of the law, they shrugged and said it was news to them.
~The International Organ Traffic* By David J. Rothman (Columbia University)

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6.) Literally attacking foreign countries, not with protestors, but with firebombs and kidnappings when groups hold programs to investigate China's human right's record.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-5-21/70866.html New York demonstrators attacked.
I'm trying to hunt down all the articles and quotes I remember seeing but back-tracking on the internet is a lot harder than I thought. Plus the post is exploding off the screen, so I'll just end with...


"Anti-Chinese government is not the same as anti-Chinese. Anti-Chinese is the yellow peril and foreigner racialization bull-shit that pervades in the Western media, anti-government is exposing corruption and in the spirit of social sciences fixing that corruption."


I see all your sources was from the media.

Anyway, I wrote and expressed a lot here:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-204415/Anti-CNN-Controversy.html

I do not really feel it's necessary to repost everything I said there

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Terrakinetic wrote:


Bleachloverf wrote:

You do realize that America is a tribulation to Imperialism.Capitalistic societies all pertain from who is making what?.Which confers to money.Thats what America is about.Corruptional ,scandlous, incredulous ,mindless behaviour.Look at the Health Insurance policies call a public out cry XD hundreds of thousands a year are dying because they cant afford Health insurance.They are also private hospitals in remote areas only accessable to rich allowing more people to suffer.I hate Capitalism and Americanism.The whole protrusion behind this is the Republicans inquiring in shady businesses and corruptional borrowing, and contractual agreements which prelude to congressmen getting paid millions a year to shut their trap.China is beyond fucked but America is no way better in some instances.Blitant Communism or Imperialistic corruption hmm both aren't very appealing.These two countries are the richest and world im scared.<_<.We also have societal proclammaties of of the ill-usage of social services allowing more people with mental illnesses, as well as people with learning or discrete disabilities to suffer.Unless its allianced with the Bush government who greatly pays to social reforities who align themselves with his beliefs.America is a Hoax.Democrats save the world from this operable destruction.


Of course America is also corrupt; and so is Spain, France, Australia, Britain, and many many other places. I absolutely agree with you except on the point about expecting Democrats to save any of us. The two party system is dead because the same people are buying out all politicians. Salvation will have to come from the people themselves, since the country has been separated into the elite and common. Marx was right but his solution is marred by the same corrupt people he envisions infecting capitalism.

btw, You mean America is a "tribute" to Imperialism right?

That terminology could aslo be instated but tribulation is more so an elongation and more so plural then Tribute.I know that but America is definitely referred to as one of the most corrupted Democratic states.Yes i also believe that salvaltory means with only be displayed if the people stop supporting the economy as well as other corruptional facilities.(The health insurance area).The democrats might or might not but most like the congress will delegate the country with corruptional so most likely it won't even change but i bear hope in Obama's oratorical ideals.France isn't that bad due to it being a Socialist sate.Austrailia is very corrupted anothe fundament to Capitalism and aslo concur with idea of Britain being corrupted as well.Spain im not sure about their participles in place.
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Suck my balls China haters! hehehe
i just wanna say that " nothing more to add "
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Fushaz wrote:


Terrakinetic wrote:


Fushaz wrote:


You are one of those people who are brainwashed by the anti-Chinese.

Almost none of your points are true. Do some research before you start using them as points.


Okay. Since the only things I hear are from direct events and articles I'll list them out for you.

1.) Chinese imperialism and cruelty in Tibet, nearby islands, etc
--
There has been an uproar of protest for Tibet and this is original point of the topic, so I'm sure you've heard much about it. In the 1950s Mao invaded Tibet, hunted/kept from power the Dalai Lama, and created the Seventeen Point Agreement, which took away all the power of autonomy for the Tibetans and gave the Chinese government power to take and divide all Tibetan lands to "landlords" they appointed. Crackdowns on religious activities, protest against unfair land laws, cries for rights, etc have all ended the same way the Lhasa Uprising did, with a bloody symbol of Chinese authority (eg. senior lama, Pagbalha Soinam Gyamco being cut up and dragged by a horse for two days around the crowds)

Eyewitnesses by human right's groups, such as "Human Right's Watch," have snuck passed the "no foreigners" ban in Tibet recently. The monks proceeded with protest in the spirit of non-violence and instigators of violence between the armed forces came from plained clothes officials (secret police) hidden on both sides. Nicolas Bequelin, a Hong Kong based researcher on the Chinese judicial system and human rights, explains that the trials that take place usually end with "coerced confessions, as the result of torture," such as the case with the 16 monks arrested for terrorist bombings.

--
2.) Collaborating with shady real estate businesses and stealing the homes of countless villagers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/17/international/asia/17china.html 60 villagers protesting their home being taken away

3.) Collaboration with shady construction companies to create unsafe buildings. (This is boring and hard, as the contractors and names are in Sing Tao and I can't read Chinese text on my comp + it is indeed only conjecture at the moment in the wake of the earthquake school collapses.)

4.) Destroying freedom of speech in all its forms.
4a.) Jailing protesters for the simply saying one word on the street.

I can speak from family's personal experience that just speaking out to people on the street about thing's like the how the "cultural revolution is wrong" and "destroying historical artifacts is wrong" can lead people to 20 years in prison like my grandfather to his neighbors who had their tongues cut out and were made to kneel on broken glass.

4b.) Arresting bloggers.

eg. April 20, 2006: The arrest of Lhi Zi. Dec 30, 2007 The arrest of Hu Jia. 2005 Shi Tao

4c.) Trying to control the internet through restrictions, blocks, and arrests.
_
eg. "The Greatfirewall of China", banning wikipedia, banning youtube, banning viral video sites that have not been approved by the government, "blog police" reading people's blogs for "subversive material.", restricting access to Internet Cafes, etc
_
4d.) Targeting groups for merely potential threats (ie. capable of rallying support) even if they're just there. "I wanted to find the article on Christians and the North Western Chinese groups being unfairly targeted but it's hard to find right now with all the articles on the Earthquake and Olympics." = |
5.) Randomly arresting people for political purposes> Creating secret prisons > Falun Gong organ harvests.
5a.) Yes. They're arresting suspected Falun Gong members for no reason, sending them to jails in a kangaroo court, and executing them to sell their organs to rich western clients.

http://www.organharvestinvestigation.net/ Full comprehensive investigation and report confirming the allegations of taking organs from live Falun Gong members.

China is at the center of the Pacific routes to organ transplantation because it has adopted the tactic of harvesting the organs of executed prisoners. In 1984, immediately after cyclo-sporine became available, the government issued a document entitled "Rules Concerning the Utilization of Corpses or Organs from the Corpses of Executed Prisoners." Kept confidential, the new law provided that organs from executed prisoners could be used for transplants if the prisoner agreed, if the family agreed, or if no one came to claim the body. (Robin Munro of Human Rights Watch/Asia brought the law to light.) That the law lacks an ethical basis according to China's own values is apparent from its stipulations. "The use of corpses or organs of executed prisoners must be kept strictly secret," it stated, "and attention must be paid to avoiding negative repercussions." The cars used to retrieve organs from the execution grounds cannot bear health department insignia; the people involved in obtaining organs are not permitted to wear white uniforms. In my own interviews with Chinese transplant surgeons, none would admit to the practice; when I showed them copies of the law, they shrugged and said it was news to them.
~The International Organ Traffic* By David J. Rothman (Columbia University)

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6.) Literally attacking foreign countries, not with protestors, but with firebombs and kidnappings when groups hold programs to investigate China's human right's record.

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-5-21/70866.html New York demonstrators attacked.
I'm trying to hunt down all the articles and quotes I remember seeing but back-tracking on the internet is a lot harder than I thought. Plus the post is exploding off the screen, so I'll just end with...


"Anti-Chinese government is not the same as anti-Chinese. Anti-Chinese is the yellow peril and foreigner racialization bull-shit that pervades in the Western media, anti-government is exposing corruption and in the spirit of social sciences fixing that corruption."


I see all your sources was from the media.

Anyway, I wrote and expressed a lot here:
http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-204415/Anti-CNN-Controversy.html

I do not really feel it's necessary to repost everything I said there



you said it Fushaz ^^
and btw Terrakinetc, its probably not your fault you're 'brainwashed', but you shouldn't say such stupid/so-not-true-things when you dont know anything about the chinese goverment/culture.
....i dont know much about its history either, but i love china and i love its citizen, who are innocent ppl and i love them.
...........anyways, i thought this thread was about the olympics O.o............
Olympics: i think it should be held in china, and that boycotting it is stupid since the olympics are suppose to be a harmonious event instead of this politcal turmoil.
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gaddemnots wrote:


Laughalilmore wrote:


Chance16 wrote:

i have this thing on my msn which is suppose to emphasize China's unity and love for the country. ♥CHINA!

i'm don't know much about China's Government but i don't think the Olympics should be boycotted.


I agree.
Olympics shouldnt be boycotted.

I don't understand why everyone has such a grudge against China.


same. it seems like there's some sort of conspiracy against China. it's probably because it's beginning to become powerful, so it's a threat to other superpower countries.. <_<;


Agreed. And people shouldn't just believe whatever the news from sites says, some are not true anyways.

1. And every single country got it's own rule, it depends on the side you look at, it's good side or it's bad side.
2. I don't know about Tibet's true things or history, but if you're being treated very badly(I mean very, not just badly) then I hope you'll be fine in the future.
3. Olympics shouldn't be boycotted. Then what's the athletes life then? What can you pay them for their effort?
4. Those who dislike China...Talking bad about China and all sort, when you don't even know the truth.
5. Those who dislike China...Stop using this chance to talk more bad about it, don't you feel guilty?
6. Boycotting the Olympics will hurt both the participants and China which is very pointless.
7. China stopped internet connections because to pray for those who died in the disaster.
8. Hope the people that got into storms,earthquake, etc. in China will get better soon.
9. Hope the disasters(storms etc.) in some part of China will be over soon.
10. Why care if the people who got into earthquake...disasters are in China? They're human! Just like us, that's why we pray, we donate, WE HELP!

♥CHINA!
PEACE
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you said it Fushaz ^^
and btw Terrakinetc, its probably not your fault you're 'brainwashed', but you shouldn't say such stupid/so-not-true-things when you dont know anything about the chinese goverment/culture.
....i dont know much about its history either, but i love china and i love its citizen, who are innocent ppl and i love them.
...........anyways, i thought this thread was about the olympics O.o............
Olympics: i think it should be held in china, and that boycotting it is stupid since the olympics are suppose to be a harmonious event instead of this politcal turmoil.


I so SO agreed with you.
Posted 6/17/08 , edited 6/17/08
This is bullshit >.<

I understand that something should be done about the human rights but it shouldn't involve the Olympics. It's irritating as hell when people mix up politics with sports :\

And everyone should just chillout about the Chinese people- they're not doing anything wrong and can't be expected to stand up against the government.

Anti-Chinese government is not the same as anti-Chinese. Anti-Chinese is the yellow peril and foreigner racialization bull-shit that pervades in the Western media, anti-government is exposing corruption and in the spirit of social sciences fixing that corruption.

and if you really think about it... every country's government is corrupt one some level and there is no getting away from it. Just because countries like South Korean and China are more obvious doesn't mean that we or other countries don't have problems to deal with as well >.>
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gaddemnots wrote:


Laughalilmore wrote:


Chance16 wrote:

i have this thing on my msn which is suppose to emphasize China's unity and love for the country. ♥CHINA!

i'm don't know much about China's Government but i don't think the Olympics should be boycotted.


I agree.
Olympics shouldnt be boycotted.

I don't understand why everyone has such a grudge against China.


same. it seems like there's some sort of conspiracy against China. it's probably because it's beginning to become powerful, so it's a threat to other superpower countries.. <_<;



honestly... if you read the first post then you would have a little better understanding of the situation >.>

This isn't a conspiracy against China because it's government is actually corrupt and peoples civil rights are in serious danger. So of course some people are going to have a grudge :\

[[not that I agree with boycotting the Olympics - I'm seriously against that]]
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Boycotting the Beijing Olympics would just stir up more nationalism among the Chinese people,
and in the end it is the West that would be hurt the most.

Boycotting the Beijing Olympics is a bad move.

Go China!
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